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Gomi: Ninja Monster Well, Serizawa did say that there were 17 known Titans. Looks like Queen MUTO wasn't among them.
Hmm, most interesting. That means there were 18 Titans shown or referenced in the movie/tie-ins.
I definitely feel like there's a reference I'm missing with her nickname now.
Barb is quite an interesting nickname.
i don't have a theory but let me point out nozuki has been leaked, and we're forgetting about ghidorah's head from the end credits scene in kotm
well its been confirmed trailer is coming in April or early may now
Ooh! New update on where she was found (she wasn't).
JurassicKaiju14: Hmph, very well, we shall await confirmation from on high. :P
JurassicKaiju14, I also agree with that theory. That was my go to theory at first. Now the more I think about it, the more I would like to see another species type of monster. All I can be sure of is that the Queen Muto is something. Whether Barb is mid-Prime transformation or a new species of Muto is up to Michael Doughtery
KingKaijuGojira, Gomi: Ninja Monster I dunno', I'm not really convinced that this is supposed to represent a new species. I mean, it could, I suppose, but I think he was trying to say that this an older individual.
For now, I'm still holding to the theory that Queen MUTO is in a transitional stage between your average Femuto and MUTO Prime. A couple of people (myself included) have left questions along those lines, and if I see a response from the man himself, I'll be sure to let you know.
THANK YOU. I've been saying this is a different species since day one. Exactly what KingKaijuGojira said, similar-looking species can have wildly differing lifestyles, happens all the time. Queen MUTO could simply parasitize another species of Titan, or not be a parasite at all.
More turnarounds would literally be the best thing, but I'd also take whatever was decided on as the final concept art for other Titans, especially the ones we didn't see in the movie.
Interesting. She is definitely my favorite Muto (though she had little screen time). So a different species huh? It makes sense. There are multiple species of the same kind of animal all over the planet. No one said all Muto had to follow the Muto Prime life-cycle/evolutionary chain. I want to know more about Barb and the other Titans (like Behemoth and Scylla)
Elaborate lighting setups.
WHERE IS GAMERA??????????
Wish they would just reboot Gammera the invincible instead of another attempt to plague us with Nezura
So sad I never got to meet him. He was one of a kind. He was and always will be, Godzilla.
"I don't know about art"
That is abundantly clear.
I'm a simple guy, I don't know about art but I know what I like. Don't get me wrong i do like Tokusatsu movies. I just don't like when people bash on western style film making because its not Japan!
I think I actually have Kalat's book. Got it as a Christmas present a couple years ago, if I recall correctly.
The Hooded Figure,
Good quote. Straight out of his book if I recall.
Xenotaris,
No, I don't think Japan should make Godzilla movies because of their style of special effects--Nowhere did I remotely say that. But since you decided to unpack this can of worms, your comparison between Hollywood going back to stop-motion and Japan's tokusatsu makes no sense in any form.
The difference is, tokusatsu is still produced in Japan today and on a yearly basis. Meanwhile, stop motion has been left behind in Hollywood. You continue to operate under the false pretense that tokusatsu is outdated for its techniques and assume that unless visuals looks "realistic" it's not very good. This is an extraordinarily narrow assumption.
You don't seem to understand the difference between representational art and presentational art. Representational art is meant to "represent" what something may look like in our reality. Take Jurassic Park, for instance. The entire point of that film's special effects was to look as realistic as possible because it was suppose to represent what these creatures might look like in our reality.
Presentational art does not. It presents its own reality, assuming the function of creating a look and feel that does not and can not exist in our reality. Let's use Ultraman in this case: Miniatures are supposed to look like miniatures, monsters are supposed to look unrealistic and the stories often fit the mold of the visuals, allowing for more fanciful storytelling.
However, this doesn't mean the filmmakers slop any miniature down and use that as an excuse. Within the context of tokusatsu's presentational pieces is a standard of filmmaking. Quality depends on the detail of the miniatures, the angles of the shots, the way they fill up frames and spaces, the lighting, etc.
What you get wrong is it's not about practical vs. CG. It's about style vs. style: Presentational vs. representational. CG is Hollywood's go-to, fast-food style. There's no way to escape it and just because it looks "real" doesn't mean it looks interesting. I far prefer the look and feel of tokusatsu where the visuals are more interesting because it looks and feels different. The filmmakers have to depend on physical craftsmanship, depth-of-field, lighting tricks and low angles to create a sense of scale where there is none--And that's far more fascinating than the CG blockbuster of the week we're subjected to every other day in the west.
So now if you're done helping me derail the topic, move along.
Xenotaris,
"Over-assessed fan conjecture," not over-assed.
I don't care about any of your pseudo-scientific suspicions. The fact is this is what has been officially canonized and has not been contradicted in any other movie or official source books since then. That's what Anguirus is. The end.
Christ, I can't wait for the Monsterverse to end so we can get back to proper fantasy kaiju epics that are riddled with metaphor instead of this over-obsession with "realistic" paleo-nonsense.
So what you are saying is that only Japan should make Godzilla movies because of an outdated special effects? It would be like asking for Hollywood movies to return to stop motion over CGI. I mean i'm all for practical effects that look convincing and CGI that looks convincing.
I think people like to hate on CGI because its popular; and this is coming from a guy who does like practical effects. But practical effects can only take you so far. This was realized by hollywood in the 90's with the Jurassic Park series. The Jurassic Park movies were revolutionary not because of their practical effects like the animatronics and full body puppets but because of its CGI.
@GH Man
I wasn't saying that as over-assed fan. I was saying at a scientific, zoological, and paleontological viewpoint that the creature cannot be a ankylosaurus for multiple reasons. I am very well aware that japan's dinosaur knowledge back in the 50's was severely wonky, like seriously dinosaurs dying off 4 million years ago.
You can't tell me that a green reptilian creature that has a frog-like tongue, has five fingers, eats fruits, and wears tennis shoes a Tyrannosaurus. Because Tyrannosaurus has glaring anatomical differences from a Yoshi. T. rex has two fingers on tiny little arms, eats meat, and being a a stem-bird most definitely doesn't have a sticky tongue.
Would you mistaken a Chihuahua for a German Shepard? Of coarse not because we all know that Chihuahua and German Shepards have difference that separate these two dog breeds.
Also canon in Godzilla seems to be dependent on either Era or movie to movie basis. Godzilla can't seem to make up its mind what kind of creature it wants to be: a Hypothetical prehistoric aquatic reptile, a mutated dinosaur, a mutated marine iguana, a collection of angry WWII spirits, a dinosauromorph, a mutated modern-day deep sea creature, or a giant reptilian tree.
Sorta hard to do this since the 20s predate the nuclear age, but an interesting setting nonetheless.
he looks like a muto
Some things to know about this period: prohibition, alcoholism, gangsters, sex, loose morals, decadence, bunch of snobby rich people, parties, and strong class divide.
The years are a bit off, but I can imagine Godzilla bringing destruction while a jazz band keeps playing as the city gets crumbled around them ala Titanic.
It just has to be in the roaring 20s.
Does jazz have to be a thematic part of the storyline? Or just the mid-to-late 20s and 30s?
ChrisRemix As it stands now, it sounds like Godzilla will be drawn to Skull Island by whatever seismic disturbances are going on, and Kong is unhappy with him intruding on his territory, and the outside world interfering with his in general.
Are these epic?
@JurassicKaiju14 An actual motive would definitely make for a stronger story on both their ends.
@Monster_Zero 2112 It seems more like a prophecy than anything. Then again, the Godzilla v Ghidorah painting depicted an actual event so I'm not too sure. I feel like that reveal was a bit lazy since we already had a fight depicted by cave painting.
On the MonsterVerse size chart of the time, and the question wich titan hwos appeared two.
Anguirus as an ice-elemental-ish creature? Interesting. I can get behind that. It'd make an interesting contrast to MonsterVerse!Rodan...
Actually, I'm working on a personal rewrite of KOTM, and I plan on giving Anguirus a few cameos amongst the awakened Titans. Do you mind if I do something similar to this?
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I don't care about over-assessed fan conjecture of a fantasy series because it doesn't fit with what you think it should be. Like it or not, that's officially and canonically what it is.
Deal with it.
