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Another one that I missed that was pointed out by CinemaWins, during the scene where Madison, Bernie, and Josh enter the Apex facility (right before they find the Skullcrawler eggs) you can hear an announcement stating "Maglev shuttle departure to Roswell, New Mexico". So that's another potential hint at aliens in the MonsterVerse.
To me, the reason why it did good is because the MonsterVerse has the least conflict compared to the MCU, DC, etc
It's true I'm okay with that too.
Gareth Edwards Nod To CE4K
In the scene where Joe and Ford see the helicopters, just before first seeing the plant, the OST music playing is almost note for note the same music from the same scene in Close Encounters Of The Fourth Kind when Roy and Jillian are seeing the helicopters, and first seeing the hidden base.
Wow, very nice assessment.
Especially with the success of shin Godzilla and singular point with both appealing to the general public, it seems plausible
Jack CapelliniThis is true for America, I can see a cinematic universe about Godzilla doing better in japan
Made this account just to say Gman and Duratok are 100% correct. Max Borenstein is a hack writer. His inability to write characters and his consistency in being inconsistent toward the themes of this series are mind numbing and setting the franchise back. I literally cannot get excited for new projects as long as his name is still attached as a writer. He may not be the only one writing these films, and yes Michael Dougherty did the screenplay for KotM, but a guy can only be on so many sinking ships before you start to connect dots and try and keep him off future cruise rides.
Remember when 2014 was being praised by fans even though that film was 90% about the human characters? Now we've just completely walked back and get hyped at the prospect of 2 straight hours of monsters? Shame.
Made this account just to say Gman and Duratok are 100% correct. Max Borenstein is a hack writer. His inability to write characters and his consistency in being inconsistent toward the themes of this series are mind numbing and setting the franchise back. I literally cannot get excited for new projects as long as his name is still attached as a writer. He may not be the only one writing these films, and yes Michael Dougherty did the screenplay for KotM, but a guy can only be on so many sinking ships before you start to connect dots and try and keep him off future cruise rides.
Remember when 2014 was being praised by fans even though that film was 90% about the human characters? Now we've just completely walked back and get hyped at the prospect of 2 straight hours of monsters? Shame.
UPDATE 08/16/2021:
Because Godzilla vs. Kong is no longer in the top 10, weekend grosses will no longer be an option. The good news is 7th weekend estimates have been adjusted and Godzilla vs. Kong has hit 1.86 Billion Yen ($17 Million). The film has actually surpassed Godzilla: Tokyo SOS's attendance with 1.23 million. (Kogyotsushin)
I've actually been thinking about this..
not finished yet but will update if your interested
I see your point but I think 682s ability to regenerate is based in its Ability to from itself. Each molecule (no matter the state) recognizes how to build 682, and will use existing atoms to do so until it can self replicate. Maybe under stress caused by extreme heat or situations 682 becomes the aforementioned state of matter
Well, most of the SCPs bend reality, so I don’t think that 536 and/or 682 can too.
I wasted time writing my very long response then the page glitched...
so heres it in short. 682 may be able to regenerate from atoms based on what Die-hard Spino Fan said.
They increased the speed of light and nuclear force within the chamber (whatever that means pls help me I’m smol brain), which caused 682 to disintegrate until all that was left was a piece of matter 1% of its original size.
what SCP 536 does is impossible, which is alter physics within itself.
The foundation tried putting 682 inside SCP-536; a chamber where they can use dials to control the physical contents within. They increased the speed of light and nuclear force within the chamber (whatever that means pls help me I’m smol brain), which caused 682 to disintegrate until all that was left was a piece of matter 1% of its original size. However, the creature then reformed an killed the researchers. Later tests had showed that its body had become an unknown form of matter, held together by quantum effects impossible to unravel with our current understanding of science. Does this account for anything?
> Due to 682”s hyper-adaptive and hyper-regenerative abilities, and the fact that it can shrug off a couple of strikes from the gate guardian, 682 will regenerate from any attack and add it to its weapon arsenal. Due to this, any incarnation won’t stand a chance against this anomaly.
There is no way he/it could regenerate from being 100% destroyed with no remants unless he has supernatrual/reality bending abilities, Which as of now it doesn't. There is no way he could adapt to molecular destruction, unless he can change the way molecules work, which again there is nothing to suggest he could. If acid could damage him anti matter could
>Also, how could someone turn half of 682’s cells into antimatter?
Well, there are many ways but it was a simple example, there are other ways to do that like causing his body to react to chemicals, or burning up the molecules. Shin godzilla or Burning godzilla *could* do the option mentioned before, but only hypothetically. Even if 682 won't die/survive as a spirit he will be 100% rendered useless
The Godzilla earth trilogy was disappointing. Much like Pacific Rim Uprising. Shin was like the OG Pacific Rim. A very good movie. Except that Shin wasn’t connected to the Godzilla Earth trilogy.
Also, how could someone turn half of 682’s cells into antimatter? Please explain I know nothing about particle physics.
Godzilla probably wont die, it’s just that 682 can’t be killed.
Due to 682”s hyper-adaptive and hyper-regenerative abilities, and the fact that it can shrug off a couple of strikes from the gate guardian, 682 will regenerate from any attack and add it to its weapon arsenal. Due to this, any incarnation won’t stand a chance against this anomaly.
Well Realizing you Error of Ways and Apologizing is a Big/Good Move, people can get Passionate about their Fandom they Follow and so Disagreements can Occur.
I think burning godzilla or godzilla earth. Yes, 682 is very strong but he isn't unkillable (despite what many people would say) it could be killed by a method called molecular annihilation
"In particle physics, annihilation is the process that occurs when a subatomic particle collides with its respective antiparticle to produce other particles, such as an electron colliding with a positron to produce two photons.[1] The total energy and momentum of the initial pair are conserved in the process and distributed among a set of other particles in the final state. Antiparticles have exactly opposite additive quantum numbers from particles, so the sums of all quantum numbers of such an original pair are zero. Hence, any set of particles may be produced whose total quantum numbers are also zero as long as conservation of energy and conservation of momentum are obeyed.[2]"
So basically, it is the total destruction of a molecule. If done in a massive scale, it basically destroys any part of what was originally there. 682 is unkillable because of it's "luck" and because it can adapt. However sulfuric acid is able to damage it. It cannot adapt to molecular changes. If someone were to turn half of his cells into anti matter he could die as annihilation would occur. He would be literally nothing in seconds. I would say that burning godzilla could pull something like this off
UPDATE 08/14/2021:
Kogyotsushin reports the actuals for Godzilla vs. Kong's 6th weekend translate to $16.5 Million. The good news is this puts its attendance at 1.20 Million, matching Godzilla: Tokyo SOS.
It's expected to finish around 1.25 million, just ahead of Tokyo SOS, but 130,000 behind 1974's Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla.
As of last week Godzilla vs. Kong is no longer the highest opening Hollywood movie in Japan. Fast & Furious 9 has taken that spot opening with over 64,000 more in attendance.
Godzilla vs. Kong has dropped to the 12th highest grossing film of Japan's 2021 calendar year and the 14th most attended film of the year. It is still the #1 highest grossing Hollywood film of the year, but Fast & Furious 9 is expected to surpass it.
Box Office analysts are expecting it to only have a few more weeks of life left in it.
Die-hard Spino Fan,
I remember someone else messaging me about him as well. I unbanned him for a time, but then he was re-banned due to some infraction I was not aware of. I don't recall what he did, but I believe Chris had final word on the matter.
Given the nature of this particular topic, I'm going to go ahead and lock it. You can contact me via messages and continue to try and contact Chris.
Yeah, while Gman's attitude towards others is irritating at times, my attitude towards him wasn't okay either. I shouldn't have allowed myself to get as angry as I did and I shouldn't have let the argument get that heated. I did take it too far and I regret that.
To be honest the titan war isnt as interesting to me. Would have been better if it had been built up too in KSI, KOTM and had been alluded to more than one comment in GvK
You just voiced all my thoughts about the subject thank you.
I also feel that fans often assume that general audiences will connect with the monsters on a deeper level just because they’ve connected with the apes from Planet of the Apes, a movie with almost no human characters. Therefore, they assume that they’d run to the theater and see a Kaiju movie that only focuses on the monsters and has no humans in it.
But what made the Planet of the Apes trilogy work is that the non-human characters that the audience was following could communicate their emotions verbally, were humanoid in appearance, and were very close to the size of humans to make them more intimate and relatable. Now compare those characters to Godzilla and Kong, who are much larger and take up a lot more space, making them less dynamic in a setting and limiting what they can bring to the screen.
Because of this, it would make it really hard for general audiences to relate to giant monsters that are over 200 feet tall. This means that if Legendary were to make a humanless MonsterVerse movie, the majority of moviegoers wouldn’t see it.
A humanless MonsterVerse film wouldn’t be cheap to make. A film that heavily relies on CGI would cost over $400 million to create, and from a business standpoint, it wouldn’t really make sense for Legendary to invest that amount of money into a film that, to be honest, wouldn’t be a guaranteed critical and financial hit.
Considering how every MonsterVerse film has made less than $570 million USD so far, how likely is it that a MonsterVerse film with minimal or no human involvement in the story would make as much or more money than that? I’d say it would be a film that would either make or break the MonsterVerse, even if Kong were the main character.
Peter Jackson’s King Kong only made $562.3 million USD, which is slightly less than Kong: Skull Island, which made $566.7 million USD, and look at what that movie had going for it: it was a remake of an iconic monster movie from 1933, featured stellar motion capture technology that gave the titular monster a tone of personality, was made by an acclaimed director who just got off of finishing his successful Lord of the Rings trilogy, featured a lot of great actors such as Jack Black, Naomi Watts, Collin Hanks, Kyle Chandler, Adrien Brody, and Andy Serkis, and you can argue it had a lot more going for it in terms of its story than Kong: Skull Island.
Even though it did really good, it didn’t do amazingly at the box office. It made about the same amount of money as the MonsterVerse films. So what are the chances of a MonsterVerse film with no human characters in it making as much or more money than that? It’s not a guarantee.
And just because we as Kaiju fans see the Titans as characters and connect with them on a deeper level doesn’t mean general audiences would do the same. Since Kaiju fans really connect with the monsters, they’d be more naturally inclined to see a movie where they are at the forefront and the humans take a back seat. But Kaiju fans only make up a minority of moviegoers, while the general audience is the majority, and because they are in the minority, they wouldn’t bring in enough money to make the film a financial success. The general audience is the audience who Legendary needs to make their films successful. But because general audience members have always had a stigma towards Kaiju movies and just see them as mindless entertainment, they probably wouldn’t be interested in seeing a Kaiju movie that only has monsters fighting and converging the planet. Therefore, the film wouldn’t be a financial success. I doubt it would be a critical success either since critics didn’t like KOTM due to the human drama. So if they didn’t like a film that featured Toho’s most iconic monsters and some great monster action, what are the chances of those same critics praising a film with only that and no human characters? Once again, it’s very unlikely.
If Legendary is interested in telling a story that features the monsters as the main characters, they should either make it into a graphic novel series or a straight-to-Netflix anime with a reduced budget. I think it’d be cooler if they made a Titan War anime since animation is a great art medium to tell a story that has minimal dialogue and is on such a large scale. Animation would also allow the Titans to be more expressive than they would be in a real-world feature film. And hey, we’re getting a Skull Island anime, so why not make one about the Titan War if it ends up being successful?
TLDR: Even though a humanless MonsterVerse movie would certainly be ambitious, it just wouldn’t be a guaranteed critical and financial success. Therefore, it’d be smarter for Legendary to make humanless content on a smaller scale.
also just realized that the ゴジラ+ app also posted about this. Now they're including godzilla and kong from monsterverse in the game
Neither you or G. H. (Gman) are right and both make assumptions about the other that clearly isnt true.
If you have problems with each other you can talk to each other in private messages.
Dont ruin it for the rest of us. And please neither of you respond.
I'm sorry but this is unnecessary on both parts.
thanks for the wonderful input you have put into this website, and do further hope to see more
I don't constantly pick fights with you, however I called you out a couple of times for your condescending attitude towards others, because that type of behavior shouldn't be considered okay.
You accuse me of twisting and misconstruing your words, yet your doing that to my statements, constantly accusing me of trying to derail/ruin topics whenever I give an opinion that opposes yours and then you take my comments and twist them, claiming that I'm "targeting" you. I've seen others on the site call you out on your behavior in the past, so does that mean that they're somehow "conveniently targeting" you as well? the reason that I don't engage in arguments with others on the site is because they, for the most part, treat the opinions of others respectfully, and they don't have a superiority complex. This has nothing to do with "convenient targeting". You're acting as if I'm somehow out to get you because you dislike the MonsterVerse. I'm going to be clear, I truly don't give a s*** if you hate the MonsterVerse! My problem is that you constantly treat people like crap for disagreeing with you and you constantly look down at the people who do like the series. You deny that your "gatekeeping", yet you're using your place in the fandom and your seniority on this site as a way of acting "superior" to others. Which is the definition of gatekeeping!
You take any quote and try to deflect it to fit your own narrative, like this one:
"And since you consistently do this, especially after being invited to engage in private discussion to no avail, I find your claim that you wish to avoid picking fights suspect at best."
You're twisting my statements and trying to use them as a way to make me look bad, trying to make it seem that I'm some sort of hypocritical troll that's only here to pick fights with you. Which is pretty damn manipulative. You even try to take my refusal to engage you further in other arguments as me not having an argument. The real reason that I've stopped replying to other arguments and haven't tried to have a discussion in your PMs is because I know that it's pointless and that would only be wasting my time.
You come off as controlling, demanding that I (and some others on the site) act a certain way and to ignore certain condescending comments that you've made, trying to get us to think a certain way. I get that you have seniority on this site, but that doesn't give you the right to boss us around.
It's honestly attitudes like yours that give fandoms a bad name. The Godzilla fandom has constantly gotten s*** from the public in the past, and attitudes like yours and certain other members in the fandom are only doing more damage to the fandom. If you really want to turn this site into a dumpster fire of "toxic fandom", so be it, I for one am not going to be complicit in this.
UPDATE 08/11/2021:
According to Cinema Today and Kogyotsushin, Godzilla vs. Kong has fallen out of the top 10 in its 6th week. Now that it has fallen out of the top 10 it will be more difficult to track. Early estimates via Piixin put the film at 1.81 Billion Yen ($16.3 Million). Actuals are still being translated.
SasquaDash,
As for the Singular Point thread you are misconstruing for evidence, you seem disappointed I didn't pick a fight with you. I never, "brushed off" your opinion. You simply stated it and didn't care. (Much like you should likely try.)
Not once, however, did ever use the words, "didn't get it" nor did I use the argument for cultrual bias. It was you that tried to claim I was using the series to "discredit the Monsterverse" and when I explained that wasn't the case, you made no rebuttal.
For those who like to see the thread themselves and the assumptions that have been twisted by SasquaDash, here's the thread, in which he derailed to pick a needless fight:
Singular Point Spoiler Discussion
"but I do find it frustrating that Gman constantly has this condescending attitude towards any one who has a different opinion than his and the fact that he takes any to bash the MonsterVerse and anyone who likes it or is involved with it as a way of boosting his own ego."
Then ignore it. You have an exhaustive history of convenient targeting whenever I utter my opinion, harsh or not. Note I care less whenever you cite your displeasure for the Anime trilogy or Singular Point, or whatever else we disagree with. Yet you make a thread derailing show out of targeting and incapably handling other people's opinions/criticisms. And since you consistently do this, especially after being invited to engage in private discussion to no avail, I find your claim that you wish to avoid picking fights suspect at best. I have not once picked a fight with you and all criticisms have been directed at the material and their creators. Everything else you seem to take either out of context or far too personally for some reason.
I'm sorry you have a difficult time handling this and have projected goal post moving definitions of words to fixate your frustrations for me, but I recommend letting it go. I find your targeting exhausting as is, I can't imagine doing it is much less tiring.
Indeed, we all enjoy Godzilla for various reasons. Disagreeing with someone's opinion is one thing but treating people like garbage for thinking differently is something that shouldn't be considered "normal fandom behavior". Gman has twisted my criticism of his attitude, claiming that I'm "targeting" him simply because he doesn't like the MonsterVerse, which isn't the case. I personally don't care whether or not he likes the series, that's his own opinion. What I have a problem with is the fact that he looks down on anyone who likes the MonsterVerse and will find any excuse to treat the series, filmmakers, and fans like crap. I remember back in 2019 when some fans were upset by the critical response of King of the Monsters, he posted tweets mocking them for being upset, even making derogatory comments about them. He seems to think that his opinions are superior to others. I find it ironic that he wants people to respect his opinions, but doesn't seem to respect the ones of others. Recently, when Singular Point was released I posted my thoughts on it in the spoilers forum, personally I wasn't really a fan of the show and mentioned why I didn't care for it in my post. Gman pretty much brushed off my opinion like it didn't matter and almost seemed annoyed by the fact that I wasn't praising the show like he was, responding with statements like how people "didn't get it" even accusing people who didn't like the show of having "Cultural Bias", and once again threw the MonsterVerse and its fans under the bus as a way of elevating his own opinions above others. And the times when I got annoyed by his attitude he would counter by saying that I was "misinterpreting" his words and even made a comment stating that I should "learn to read better", which is extremely insulting.
Elitist attitudes like that are some of the biggest problems with fandoms. To give another example outside of the Godzilla fandom, I've had a lifelong obsession with dinosaurs and prehistoric life, but despite that, I absolutely can't stand the paleontological fandom because they have an extremely arrogant and juvenile attitude towards everyone, acting as if they're "always right" and that others are beneath them. I really don't want this site or the fandom to devolve into something like that. We can have different opinions and discuss them maturely without acting like jerks. The last thing I want is to be constantly fighting.
