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What if at the end of the movie there is a guest apperance by a classic toho kaiju?

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kaijusrock

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 3:25 PM

Personally I think if Gareth Edwards does this godzilla 98 will no longer be what americans see when they think of Godzilla . so tell me what you guys think! what monster cameos would you like to see at the work  end and how it would  work.

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Dragonlord Tevin

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 4:11 PM

So first of all, FUCK WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT LEGENDARY DIDNT BUY ANY OTHER TOHO MONSTERS, cuz really, Legendary isnt just gonna tell and spoil us a TOHO monster in the film, cuz if there was one in the movie then theyd keep it a secret.

Im not saying there is a TOHO monster in the movie, but if there was one, then of course theyll keep it secretive, cuz look how secretive they were keeping Godzilla himself, another TOHO monster in the movie would be more important to be hiding.

Ok sorry about that now back to topic, id probably like to see Biollante in the movie cuz she's pretty realistic and sensible to make if u think about it, so yes Biollante

godzillafan1995

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 4:16 PM

biollante seems the best choice when it comes to all the toho monsters and she is the most pratical (due to her being a mixture of plants and godzilla dna) however i'd say she would be in the sequel in which at the end of this movie we see godzilla dna tampered and a rose is shown next to it. biollante is the best choice because she an abomination of nature and she is man made and the mutos maybe man made as well. however i doubt that will happen and it's probably the best.

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaFeb-08-2014 4:20 PM

Lulz...

I can't wait for this movie to be released so the arguments will at least be differnet.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

godzillafan1995

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 4:22 PM

yeah there is too many of these posts

Deadite Kaiju

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 4:30 PM

After the end credits it would be cool if they showed King Ghidorah flying over a city and shooting his lazer beams at everything.

Demplex

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 4:34 PM

Lol DragonlordTevin calm down please.  Anyways it would be cool to see this, but it's unlikely.  Godzilla already costed a crap-load of money for Legendary to purchase.  What makes you thinl other Toho mpnsters wouldn't cosr at least a penny?

Dragonlord Tevin

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 4:43 PM

DEMPLIX lol dont worry I was, i was just saying that cuz no one really even knows that Legendary could still be keeping something a secret or not.

Demplex

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 4:50 PM

Oh lol ok.

kaijusrock

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 5:09 PM

Yeah i Already new it was going to be unlikely but it was just hypothetical 

Madison

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 5:34 PM

Yeah, Legendary has NO good reason to put TOHO Monsters in this movie. Not only would would it make the more movie more expensive like Demplex mentioned, but it wouldn't gain them anything. 

The fallacy of your first statement is precisely why putting in TOHO Monsters would be a bad move for Legendary: The 98 Emmerich Godzilla is NOT what MOST people think of when they think of an 'American' Godzilla. In fact, MOST people do not distinguish between an 'American' Godzilla or any other kind. That's mostly something only us G-Fans do.

When MOST people think of Godzilla, it's A: Not positive, and B: they are usually thinking of the Showa/Hesei movies where a cheesy rubber suit lizard went all Power Rangers on a TOHO monster. 

I know Legendary says they want to make this movie similar to the original Godzilla, but it's a fine line. They also need to make sure people don't associate this movie with the cheesy older films if they want the general public to show up. In order to do that, they need to leave TOHO monsters out of it.

Sure, SOME of us G-Fans would like it if a TOHO monster made it in, but not all of us. And we only count for probably $20 million at the U.S. Box Office. Assuming this movie makes between $100-240 million Internationally (a reasonable assumption I think),

That means this movie still needs to make between $80-220 million at the U.S. Box Office to warrant a sequel. This movie is going to appeal to us almost by default by the nature of the fact that it exists. But where it's going to make it's money is by getting everyone else on board.

To do that.....people have to take it seriously....which means disassociating it from both the 98 American film AND Toho's other movies.....this movie really does have to be it's own unique thing to be successful. So yeah, including TOHO monsters is not just unlikely, it would actually HURT the movie overall if it happened in my opinion.

Daikaiju Danielle

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 5:37 PM

If there will be a Toho monster (i'm not saying there will be or not) I would absolutely die if I saw Orga in the film!

"Daddy's home- cake every night,"

Dragonlord Tevin

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 6:08 PM

MADISON

Ok now first of all:  yes toho Godzilla movies are cheesy

But second:  isnt that why Godzilla's being rebooted?

Yes, and of course theyd never gave the reason of Godzilla movies being too cheesy and childish to say thats why theyre rebooting it, but they dont have to.  I already know theyre rebooting Godzilla because the movies are too cheesy, wouldnt u want to reboot it as well?

Ok now as for the toho monsters, they can be rebooted too.  Ur saying as the Godzilla movies were cheesy due to the toho monsters?  No, that is not correct.  Godzilla himself was part of it too? But importantly its TOHO that made those movies too immature and stuff.

So stop saying that putting a toho monster in the film will bring back the cheesyness and childness, anything can be rebooted to better, and thats exactly what Legendary can do if they have a hold of any toho monsters

Madison

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 6:18 PM

I'm sure TOHO monsters could be rebooted in a non-cheesy way, just like Godzilla. 

But that's a step for a sequel, not in the original reboot. 

It's all about perception, getting critics and general audiences to see this movie. The more things are in this movie which are associated with the older films, the less the public will be willing to see it and more work/marketing will have to be out there to convice them otherwise. 

They have to make this movie seem like it's NOTHING like ANY Godzilla movie they've seen before. Adding TOHO monsters undermines that. Even if the TOHO monster is added in a non-cheesy way. 

It's not about whether or not a TOHO monster will make the movie cheesy....it's about whether or not adding a TOHO monster will make people THINK the movie is going to be cheesy, just like those other older ones, and then they avoid it at the box office. 

They need to get Godzilla off the ground by himself first, let people know this isn't the Godzilla of yesteryear, they need to make a clean profit, and after they have general public's confidence and trust that they know how to handle a Godzilla movie, then they could maybe add TOHO monsters in future films. 

Earning the trust of us G-Fans is easier than the gaining the trust of the general public. Additional TOHO monsters just creates more work for their marketing department...which makes it harder for the movie to make money, the more they spend on marketing.

Akagi

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 7:46 PM

Sigh-- 

 

Does anyone undersand how the rights to Godzilla were acquired by Legendary? It was because Yoshimitsu Banno was basically wandering the united states looking for backers for his Godzilla 3D to the Max film that never got made. 

According to Banno he only had rights to Godzilla and subsequential rights to Hedorah for the film. The rights to make a Godzilla film were purchased by Legendary after they had a meeting with Banno, this happened a long time ago, the whole reason Legendary is even making the film is because Banno carrying the rights around made it far easier for them to acquire them.

No one remembers this? The only other Toho Kaiju in that lot was 'Hedorah" and even then, it was vague. Banno talked about it at G-fest, even raised money for the film there.

This entire movie came about becaus eof Banno's meeting with Legendary, and thus because of that, and because of the liscenses that he was carrying-- I'm going to assume a hundred percent that there will be NO OTHER Toho Kaiju in this film. I'm almost for certain Legendary had no intentions on spending extra cash to use old monsters when they can create new ones. This is a high risk film, financially speaking. 

Throwing money around like that just isn't wise and Legendary is in no hurry to buy any lesser known kaiju just to please overly hopeful fans. 

He is 350ft Tall people, those things on his neck ARE gills, and the Brazil photo is part of the final advertising design-- Deal with it.

godzillafan1995

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-08-2014 8:05 PM

oh i remeber the rumored/in development godzilla 3d, i followed that for years, then when i checked on the movie it turns out legendary get the rights so i followed the development of godzilla 2012-2014, really toho overprices the trademarks for it's monsters.

Kyero

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-09-2014 12:16 AM

No Toho monsters.

Period.

If Legendary can't succeed with Godzilla using their own creativity to create new foes and stories for him, they don't deserve to make this franchise at all.

Toho monsters belong with Toho, and they did not have a hand in the development of this film. They only supervised Godzilla's design, nothing more. Legendary made no announcements of any other Toho creatures, and they confirmed multiple times that there wouldn't be any.

If Legendary does bring in a Toho monster, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot and proving once and for all that they don't deserve to do anything with Godzilla beyond this film. Toho Kaiju belong with Toho and they belong in the old films that we all know and love. They do not belong in this franchise.

Daikaiju Danielle

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-09-2014 10:23 AM

@Akagi & Kyero

 

Can't we just have fun with an idea? We aren't saying there will be a Toho Kaiju in the film.

 

Calm down.

"Daddy's home- cake every night,"

Zodgilla

MemberMothra LarvaeFeb-09-2014 1:48 PM

@ Madison: your first post is right on the money; the cheesiness/corniness of the old movies has to be expunged for this reboot to succeed...

I posted something similar to what you did awhile back, and had a Tokusatsu fan flame all over me for it...

G. H. (Gman)

AdminGodzillaFeb-09-2014 2:19 PM

@Zodgilla

I can only assume you're speaking about our exchange a month or so back. If I'm correct, I never flammed you, but there were many fallacies in what you were saying. There still are.

I don't think Madison was insinuating that the camp factor of the old movies needs to be "expunged" in order for the film to succeed. That's a rather bold statement considering camp/cheese is part of Godzilla's legacy-- like it or not. I'm pretty sure Madison knows that too. In order for that to go away completely you're practically going to have to exterminate the majority of Godzilla movies in the world and assure no one in history can ever watch them again. Much like the Adam West Batman is still part of Batman's legacy and continues to have an affect on various cultural outlets, the original Godzilla series will as well.

What is being said here, however, is that the reboot needs to stand on its own and prove this character/genre can be made without the camp factor. Which we all know it can, it's simply convincing the general audience that this is the case. In order to do that the filmmakers walk a fine line, like with most properties, to create a marketable product while staying true to its predecessors.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."
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