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Capitalizing, admitting your wrong, either way, you came up with a lie on the film to try to make your debate stronger and it didn't work. So yes, Thank you for correcting yourself. It is highly appreciated.

And again, he was emitting heat early on. That's one of their first discoveries besides it was leaving radiation behind. So, in conclusion, it's been emitting heat ever since it came out of the water. It only returned to the water to cool itself down because of the intense overheat it was emitting. 

So, the poorly dubbed "Eelzilla" and poorly dubbed "Turkeyzilla" were emitting heat the entire time. Saying it doesn't possess the same power may be right but, it's not going to kill either form.

Wouldn't call it capitalizing--admitting I was wrong?

Yes, that is Shin-Godzilla--the final form of the most destructive Godzilla. But, if we're talking about Legendary Goji eradicating him, but him reproducing last minute--I, am pretty certain that the infant younglings don't possess the same power lol.

Gg, it was a night time battle with the male muto at Hawaii. They both took off to San Francisco during the daylight and made landfall during the daylight. Then the final battle ensued during the night time. So, in conclusion only 2 days.

Thank you for capitalizing on your exaggeration on the Weeks part. Now we're getting somewhere.

If you paid attention to Shin Godzilla, the radiation which also emits extreme heat is what causes Shin to evolve. And it's also a perfect organism. It can adapt itself to anything. And as long as there is oxygen and water, it can live anywhere.

Plus, the heat it was emitting was so hot that the temperature of his freezing was -196 degrees Celsius. That's cold but, it took gallons and gallons of the coagulante in order to be effect. Even then, he still had a faint glow in his spines to start his atomic ray before finally freezing. 

It was days of battling, weeks was indeed an over exaggeration. I highly doubt infant Shin-Godzillas could handle the heat of Godzilla's beam.

 "I wasn't dishing anything out, please don't fall back to the weak concealed insults."

I didn't mean it like that. You're dishing out the 2014 debate and I'm throwing in Shin. I can't help you don't like it when I bring up the weak points of the film. 

I mean, you come up with wild @## goose chases like "It took weeks and days." if it took weeks to travel from Hawaii to California, then these monsters in 2014 are by far the slowest animals to date then.

Also, saying it would kill the babies with the atomic breath is rather moot because like your precious 2014, radiation is a food source. It would dramatically increase the growth rate because radiation is it's energy source. 

I wasn't dishing anything out, please don't fall back to the weak concealed insults.

Nonetheless, even fi Shin were to be blown to shred and attempt to regenerate--or reproduce like he did at the end of the film--Godzilla 2014's purpose was to stop the MUTOS from reproducing, he would kill the kids with his atomic breath.

Yeah yeah but people have their different opinions so... DEAL WITH IT

@Shiro,

I know. Usually the ones who can dish it out are the ones who should be able to take it. 

# THIS IS POINTLESS!!!

Well lets see, going off your previous comment here, Shin Godzilla can't withstand the onslaught of 2014? I doubt that. Considering the fact that the bombs hurt 2014 and not shin. 

Even if 2014 tips Shin to shreds like you're suggesting, it won't do no good. May I remind you that Shin Godzilla is capable of self reproducing or regenerating similar to Reptilicus and the gargantuas? If Shin was blown up or torn to shreds, each piece would become a new Godzilla. So, instead of one, there would be 100's of not thousands of him. 2014 would not be able to take on that many. He barely took on 2 different monsters then. And unlike 2014, Shin Godzilla can detect movement. 

Well don't use me as an escuse!

Oh god i'm in a crossfire...

I've seen it in the theatre, but missed the first 30 minutes. I saw it in full yesterday. I saw it again, but traffic held me up--and I missed the first ten minutes. Just yesterday did I see the whole thing. I did not lie about anything in what you just posted lol.

Shiro and I are friends, I'm joking by the "betrayal". You now, are changing the subject. If we don't move back to arguing Godzilla 2014 vs Godzilla 2016, I'm not going to respond.

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Gg, your whole comments here on this whole thread say differently. You acted like you seen the whole film before actually seeing it for the first time yesterday in full. You just said you never get mad Yet your comments on this thread tell a different story. 

I'm not pulling this stuff up as a personal attack. I am showing you, your lies. Your lies find you out, Gg. 

And to top it off, you just personally attacked Shiro by saying "you find that as a betrayal" because he agreed with me? 

Again, it's not a personal attack. It's pointing out your lies. Now then, just for the sake of this whole thread, why don't we move this to the PM'S? 

Yeah, TheGman nailed it. If Shin-Godzilla could keep him at bay, hammering his shell with those beams--Legendary would die pretty easily. But, Legendary has enough durability I know based on evidence, and enough muscularity--to either dodge these beams, wear out Shin-Gojira, tackle him--and end the fight.

That is my analysis, awaiting a response.

Bruh...look at whut TheGman123 said...

Shiro, I can consider you agreeing with him as a full betrayal. I had seen pieces of the film prior, but only saw it in its entirety yesterday. I've been here for awhile, and I've debated Ben a handful of times--I know how the argument goes.

It becomes an insane back and forth, with no furthering or realization--on both ends. That's why I truly don't debate anymore. I never said I got mad, at all--anyways getting too far off-topic. Currently awaiting Ben to refute the positions made on my last comment, and then I will respond.

I've always been a fan of the design, it is actually probably my favorite. It feels like a burning Godzilla, GMK, and 1954 combined all in one and all 3 of those are some of my favorites.

lol!

"I just saw Shin-Gojira today"

Just today, eh? ;)

Ease up fellas. A little less personal attacks, more attacking the opinion. This isn't lock-worthy, just a reminder for everyone to

It's a toss-up, really. Either side has an advantage in one area or another. Shin Godzilla has lower durability and physical demonstrated prowess, not really being able to do much with his body. However, those damn Evangelion-beams are a real nutcase, able to slice through buildings with the ease and destructiveness of an anime character. That, and he's an ever-evolving mass of nightmare fuel D:

Of course, Legendary Godzilla has survived multiple nuclear strikes without injury, the Permian extinction (direct hit or not), is immune to the firepower that managed to draw blood from the Japanese monster (aside from the gills, which still required concentrated fire from an entire naval fleet to even get a reaction and ultimately did no lasting damage). As well, he's got massive physical strength and dexterity, able to use his jaws and arms to great effect against big, strong targets as well as small, nimble ones.

Shin Godzilla runs out of steam extremely quickly from atomic beam overusage, and actually requires cooling periods due to his nuclear fission causing overheating. He's also rather clumsy on his feet for such a large monster, with massive train bombs actually budging him. Of course, Legendary Godzilla's no spry monster himself, and a good enough beating after several days of swimming and fighting sent him napping for the night.

However, given the evidence, I'm confident in saying that Legendary Godzilla takes this by a hair, if only because he has greater demonstrated durability than many other film incarnations, along with superb physicality. But Shin Godzilla most definitely has the capacity to put him down, should he manage to keep him at a distance.

... I agree with Huge Ben GG

Gg, you are the one who gets triggered and mad. You said so yourself on the last debate we had and the thread was locked down. I thought we were having a good debate on both of these threads but apparently not. 

He was recharging for 15 days. I can't talk with someone who gets so triggered, over anything against this film. It was a really good movie, I enjoyed that--and a really good Godzilla! But, his abilities, as I discussed with a couple of my friends--could not outlast the physical onslaught of Godzilla 2014.

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And? I've seen it 3 times. 

Weeks of hunting? No. Daytime all the way up to the final battle. You are wrong about that. 2 days maximum due to the Hawaii battle but that was at nightime anyway. 

Insulting? Negative again. If anything, it's a true hypocrite when someone says "not to be insulting if you're a Japanese Godzilla fan" do you not understand how lost that comment is? Isn't Japan where Godzilla began and belongs anyway? I mean, the Japanese are the ones who made Godzilla in the beginning. 

Yes, Godzilla 2014 DID take a nap. He was out after he collapsed in the city. Eyes shut don't lie there, Gg. Did you ever stop to ask yourself "ok the film takes place in 1954 after a sub reached the lower depths and awakened him, we skip to the year 1999 with no trace or sign of him until we finally skip to the year 2014 what exactly was he doing those 60 years?" apparently not.

Sure, Shin Godzilla was drained out of power but, again, they actually confirm in the film he was recharging. That's why they hit him with the first wave of train bombs. It was to speed his energy up a little quicker to then drain him out of it with 7 squadrons of drones which btw, still managed to hit his body with missiles and still did nothing to hurt him. 

Honestly, it does look incredible. It's nice to see more GFans being more accepting of this new design. I quite like it.

Shin-Gojira is inept at close combat, don't even suggest it. Godzilla 2014 did not nap, he vanished until he was needed--and was defeated at the end of the battle with the MUTOS--which I might tell you, lasted days.

Excuse me, WEEKS, of hunting--and then days of battling. Shin-Gojira is hax (but I understand, not to be insulting, that you're a Japanese Godzilla fan--no matter if the version is good or worse), but Godzilla 2014 has just enough durability, strength, and perseverance to outlast him--and topple him.

Once Shin-Gojira expells his energy, which happens in less than five-minutes, he is out cold. Godzilla 2014 is a fighter, he can take him. I just saw Shin-Gojira today, I know what I saw lol.

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It took more than one skyscraper to topple Shin Godzilla. In fact, it took 4. The first two buildings toppled onto him and yet he was still standing until two more fell on him. Also, each skyscraper was taller than him.

When you're shooting more than 15 lasers out of your back, I'm pretty sure that's taking more energy out of you regardless on how you look at.

Falling asleep? No. He was still awake. Just recharging his energy. Similar to how Gamera did in the heisei series. Plus, he was still able to detect moving objects getting close to him and he still was able to knock them out. His power? He was draining the city of its energy. That's why the lights were going out. Could 2014 do that? No. 

2014 roared in pain by those missiles that supposedly hit him in the gills as if that was a weak point. Fyi, Shin Godzilla has gills also, yet took bombs, missiles, and machine gun fire directly to the face and had nothing done to him and he didn't even act like anything had happened.

Also, going back to the "nap." wut? 2014 didn't nap? We start of in 54 and don't see him again until 2014? That's a 60 year nap then, and another nap after his final battle. Yet it's not really the first time in either film Godzilla has taken a nap. Sea monster, 54, son of Godzilla just to name a few btw.

I doubt we'll know anything about close combat for Shin Godzilla until he actually fights other monsters so in technicality, poor judgement right now. 

I just saw Shin-Godzilla in the theater. Phenomenal movie in my opinion, I really enjoyed it. Now, with that said, I am ready for a re-analysis on G14 vs G16.

Shin-Gojira is a destructive, near-unstoppable, atomic force. I think everybody that's gonna see the movie has already seen it, and everybody who hasn't has read spoilers--so--there will be spoilers. His purple beam is just, unrivaled. The destructive, godlike power that it has is just mind-boggling.

My jaw dropped when he sets the entirety of Tokyo Central ablaze--but sadly then, goes dormant. Shin-Gojira, despite his unbelievable power--is still beatable. Artillery missiles made his final form ooze blood, and he bellowed when they hit him--actually initiating his first atomic rampage.

He shrugged off bullets and tank rounds like nothing--but artillery missiles, train bombs, and buildings eventually toppled the beast--literally. People complained about Godzilla 2014 being knocked over by a skyscraper twice-his size, but this Godzilla was toppled by multiple buildings--where is the insulting of this? G14 was knocked over after battling the MUTOS for days, whilst G16 had just been awoken--and was already expelling his energy and going nuts, before train bombs staggered him, and two buildings collapsed him.

Despite this, let's move on to the next issue; Godzilla 2016 lacks endurance. He has the strongest beam in the Godzilla series, but he can only use it for a limited amount of time. I'm not boasting G14, he barely used his beam (although you could say this was because of the MUTOS hindering him), but nearly all the Godzillas have some level of infinite beam--G16 doesn't.

The beam serves as a sort of expelling of over radiation, and when he exhausts it, he falls asleep--FOR, 15, DAYS! This right here, this, 15 days of dormancy--is what loses the battle for G16. His limited beam, practically vestigial arms, thunder thighs, and lack of mobility lose the battle for him in favor of Godzilla 2014.

Godzilla 2014 is well rounded, he is a muscular powerhouse--who seldom gets damaged by anything but his natural enemies. If he could survive G16's barrage of beams (which is highly likely considering his brain power), all he would have to do was tackle G16--take him down, rip off his mandible jaw, and he's done.

If G16 does hit him with the beams, it's most likely over--that beam is just hax. But, if G14 can outmaneuver, or just tank the back, spine, and jaw beams--and get close enough to do physical combat with G16, he can, and will end him. Shin-Gojira has the strongest beam in Godzilla history, but once he exhausts it--kaput are his chances of doing anything to any Godzilla.

Godzilla 2014 is actually a special case, because of his melee ability he can handle what the likes of Heisei, and Millenium could not--he can get up close, and knock over this lumbering tower of Hell. The Heisei and Millenium Godzillas would be decimated by Shin-Gojira's beam, but G14--he could, and would defeat him.

I need this.

That may be true, but Godzilla '14 did well; and there is a lot of hype growing about Kong: SI. I think this universe is in good shape right now.

I don't know about being better even now. At best they're even they're both the premier giant monsters.

I know this post is old but after seeing the movie the scene were he first uses his purple breath is my favorite scene in the whole movie. Not because of its color but how it gets there and how it's shot, along with the beautiful musical score and sound effects. 

SCI-FI KING25 - How fantastic! I very much enjoyed the concise and descriptive nature of this chapter! I am definitely looking forward to seeing what you have in store for us next! Thank you so much for sharing this with us! :)

Looks cool!

At this time he does, this hasn't been true in the past though.

Ehhhhhh, idk about Godzilla having more marquee than Kong.

I doubt Kong will make as much as Godzilla did, but I doubt that will hinder the development of Godzilla 2. Godzilla has way more marquee value, especially in the east. Godzilla will always be a profitable property, I don't see Legendary dropping it at all.

I saw it.. rank it 2nd to the original.

I wouldn't be worried. I think you'll hear about casting news and plot around 6-9 months from now, director too.