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My girlfriend bought a very nice hybrid for less than a quarter of that amount last week. That's truly insane. Who is going to pay $40,000 for this?
*applies for a loan*
^
Or a good down payment on a house. ;)
"We have no film context for this weapon being radioactive."
Uh, yeah we do. The fact that they actually mention that radiation is it's good source is the evidence. I mean, you are what you eat. ;)
"By technicality, that qualifies it as an "atomic" breath in a sense." so, you just answered it yourself then right? Atomic means radioactive. Its always been revered to as either an atomic breath or radioactive breath. Even death ray.
"The novelization's stance." again, written by another person. Not the actual script writer. And if I'm not mistaken, isn't the Godzilla in that book specifically classified at 400 feet tall? For some reason though, the one in the film is 355 feet tall.
It's called an atomic breath, but all evidence points to it being a plasma torch using radioactive energy as a power source. By technicality, that qualifies it as an "atomic" breath, in a sense. Also, we have no film context for this weapon being radioactive, which we DID get for Shin Godzilla's beam.
Thus, the logical conclusion, based on the showings in the film, the novelization's stance, and the vague description on the biography website would be to say that it's an atomic-powered plasma cutter.
^Wow. I knew it would be a lot of money but not THAT much money.
(I could buy 8,000 pizzas for the price of one of those...)
The question is, who here has 4.15 million yen? I mean, 40,000 USD's? Yeah that's right. $40,000.
@gman123,
So which is it, a plasma beam or atomic breath? Plasma, the last I checked, doesn't consist of radiation at all.
Also, if that were right about the mutos adapting to Godzilla's atomic breath, how and why would Godzilla be even able to get close to the female muto when her "sphere of influence" was knocking all electronic devices out cold within her distance?
@Gg,
"I'm confounded by a Godzilla fan trying to deny these abilities. Ben, why?"
First off, huh? Secondly, because it's not denial. It's pointing out that "fan conjecture" is simply killing the commonsense of people who love this franchise.
I'm sorry gentlemen.
Nice to see the 91 got this; great design to use.
Thank you to whoever added the picture of the statue. I didn't think to do that.
I'm just confounded at the prospect that a Godzilla fan is trying to deny that Godzilla had these abilities. Ben, why?
Well, see, the semantics of language confound all of us, don't they? We don't all interpret the same thing unless it's clear cut. I'm used to VS debate rules, meaning that all sources that are a part of that particular character are valid. But I understand why you guys don't want to use that stuff unless absolutely confirmed. I don't agree with it, but I understand.
Besides that, however, I didn't just use the novelization. According to calculations on the nature of the breath done by some folks over at Spacebattles, the atomic breath of Legendary Godzilla is consistent with the properties of a plasma torch, which is itself consistent with the novelization.
Also, not that it really matters, but the novelization and an early screenplay make mention of the M.U.T.O.s' E.M.P. being a species-specific adaptation to counteract Godzilla's species' atomic breath. Doesn't matter to the debate at hand, however.
The movie was already being shot and filmed. Therefore, it is not Canon. It was a side project.
There's the link but, I'll save you the time. Pay close attention to this.
Free Reyes: When you were writing the script for Godzilla, was the story of Godzilla Awakening something that was brought up after you had completed the script? Or at what point was it brought into development?
Max Borenstein: It was brought up as a project while the movie was being shot already,
Show me a few of these "interviews". I don't believe they actually diverted the question man.
Wut? Ok, so, they never said it was or wasn't. Yet for some reason in so many interviews with them, they both diverted the question when asked repeatedly. Hmmm... :/
That is your opinion. They never said it was not canon, but never uttered the words "canon". It leans more on it being truly canon.
Happy 100th comment opinion battle thread....
They are not Canon. What happens in the film is the story itself. The thing is, Gareth Edwards and Max Borenstein never have said the words "it is Canon."
They have to say that in order to be true and official.
But they are considered canon. Whether it be for marketing purposes or not, it is still accepted by the creator and Legendary as part of the Godzilla experience--meaning it is apart of the story. However, I can see how it won't be accepted as it makes legendary Godzilla way too overpowered.
Pave the way is for marketing purposes. I mean, the dvd and blu-ray say "watch the movie first then experience the awakening."
Again, the comic and novelization are not Canon. Both are written by people Not associated with legendary.
Gareth Edwards annoucnes Godzilla Awakening.
Pave the way for the film? xD, doesn't get more official than that.
Care to share and show me when and where Gareth Edwards said it was Canon?
Actually not true. Films make up most of the canon, but authorized novelizations, like the G14 one that Gareth Edwards said was legit--do count as canon.
It's like the latest Dragon Ball movies and their manga counterparts, both are canon.
So awesome! They should do a complete series like this, creating Human-sized statues of every incarnation. I would seriously consider buying a Godzilla 2014 one if the price wasn't too ridiculous.
Nice! Thanks King Kaiju Gojira for sharing this amazing figure!
Also Ben didn't Serisawa said that Godzilla 14 feeds on radiation? It isn't seen but he says that.
....... That's what i said....
@Gman123,
Funny thing is, Shin Godzilla feeds on radiation as well. Also, if it is NOT seen in film, it is NOT Canon.
Yeah but so would Shin! He feeds on radioactivity too. Also don't forget that if Shin's rays hit G14 it would...cut him...
I think I'll chime in as the guy who WON'T be coming in with any previous baggage, eh?
If we go by VS. debate standards, Shin Godzilla isn't allowed to use anything beyond what he's demonstrated, same for Legendary Godzilla.
With that in mind, let's continue, shall we? The individual cells in ShinGoji's body undergo nuclear fission, which is how the main body has enough power to move and evolve. However, the process creates immense levels of internal heat, which is why he needed to make trips to the water, release heated blood, and shut down when he overclocked that process.
Legendary Godzilla is only known to consume radiation, not produce it from some kind of internal reactor system. However, his atomic breath is powered by that radiation, so it stands to reason that using it would drain him. According to the novelization and calculations done by some people on the internet, LegendaryGoji's breath is actually a gigantic natural plasma cutter, a real-life tool used for cutting through metals. The power source is radioactive, but the application is not.
The heat produced from nuclear fission processes is likely not as high as that of a plasma cutter, and, given it's non-nuclear status, Legendary Godzilla's atomic breath could make short work of Shin Godzilla if he could get in range. As well, Shin Godzilla's beams are radioactive, meaning that, though powerful, Legendary Godzilla could theoretically feed off of them.
Guys DEAL WITH IT
@Whalezilla Yeah your description is very good!
I personally think he would, but maybe not. Nonetheless, if he had the chance, he would have killed those eggs.
Wow. Still hard to believe 2 years have gone by this quickly.
Umm...without human intervention, Godzilla wasn't going to get back up from the beat down he was receiving from the mutos.
That doesn't change the fact that, once he had time, he was going to kill those eggs. Gosh, feels like the same discussions we've had two years ago xD.
Guys I've already said it once. There's no need to close this thread yet, stop making accusations of one another, stop twisting what each other is meaning. Calling each other liars and assuming one is making threats is still not attacking the opinion. Ease. The hell. Up.
"Gman what you just said is not true,"
Unless I'm watching a different movie everything I said is true. Godzilla failed to stop the MUTO from reproducing, just as I said. The eggs had been laid.
"it can be inferred that he was going to fry the eggs immediately after dealing with the beasts. But Ford took care of that for them."
You mean the beasts that were busy pummeling him to a pulp and would have likely killed him had Ford not been the one to distract momma MUTO by cooking some eggs? Cool.
? I didn't send any threat, I said that I will leave the discussion. I did not lie also, I did not know lol. Okay, Moderators keep articles on subjects--this is going way too far off. All I said was to stay on subject, and not say I'm lying, which I'm not lol. Even if I could ban you I would not.
"Stay on subject, don't devolve to insulting your opponent--or you won't have one."
? Is that supposed to scare or intimidate me? Yeah, I pointed out you lied on a subject. It's not devolving to anything. It's simply pointing out that truth hurts. You don't have the power to ban people anyway Gg. That's staff and admins. That's actually more insulting on your part. You are a moderator after all. Aren't you supposed to sit and lead by example? The only thing it will cost me is PM'S with the staff and admins and maybe our friendship.
There's nothing wrong using the word "lie." sorry if you're getting offended here but, lies eventually catch up and the truth does hurt. Gonna take this to the staff and admins now. You sent out a threat. Not very mature or moderator like.
You sure love the word "lie". An over exaggeration, lack of knowledge on particular subject maybe, not a lie. Stay on subject, don't devolve to insulting your opponent--or you won't have one.
I don't even know what to refute in what you just said, please rephrase. Gman what you just said is not true, Godzilla was busy battling--it can be inferred that he was going to fry the eggs immediately after dealing with the beasts. But Ford took care of that for them.
"Godzilla 2014's purpose was to stop the MUTOS from reproducing,"
Then he failed his purpose. The MUTO did reproduce and a poorly written EOD character had to handle them.
