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^What he said. Lol But really, It would be great if it it ended that way. Also, I think it would be awesome if it ended that way while playing "Prayer for Peace" from the original Gojira 1954 in the background. Haunting tone.
You're right, that does sound awesome and a good ending leaving room for a sequel or just the end of the series.
I've read the majority. Mind pointing me to the one where he said "mankind loses" in this one?
@Zodgilla
PART 1:
Indeed Tsuburaya wanted to use stop motion animation, but the time and budget wouldn't allow it. Thus he came up with the technique, now branded as tokusatsu, because of his restraints. That does not mean he wasn't innovative or constantly ripping off Toho to get the most high tech equipment at the time. In fact Tsuburya and Toho were one of 4 or 5 studios in the world to have an optical press.
The suitmation process was the chosen alternative, yes, but it was later perfected into its own style. That style has defined an entire genre of filmmaking in Japan. I doubt the new movie will be nearly as revolutionary for either country.
PART 2:
I don't understand entirely why your exempting Godzilla and Raids Again just to prove your point, but I'll allow it. And although you may have seen Godzilla vs. Mothra in matnees, there are critics from the era, and box office numbers, that prove the movie did very well over here.
That said, Godzilla vs. Mothra doing very well in Japan is very important. If we're going to omit the country of origin, then why bother doing this? It's a Japanese film. It should appeal to Japanese audiences before anyone else. The new film is American. It will appeal to North Americans before anyone else. That's simply how this is down. In the country of origin, the 1960s movies were very much not a niche group of films.
And making Godzilla appeal to children was not done because it was a niche franchise. It was done because Toho had seen what Daiei was doing with their Gamera series and felt they could cash in on a wider audience the same way. Interesting that, for all the crap Gamera gets for being a "rip off", it was Toho that ripped off their idea.
PART 3:
It's not that tokusatsu fans don't care about realism, it's that the filmmakers who work with tokusatsu aren't going for it. Indeed, today "realism" means "more accessable", but it still doesn't mean "better". Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is a more accessable, and more bankable, movie than, say, Kill Bill. But Kill Bill is the better movie by and large. One is a blockbuster event movie with cutting edge special effects. The other is a campy, stylistic throwback to martial arts filmmaking. Still Kill Bill was an award winning film. Transformers 2 is largely considered one of the worst blockbusters of all time. No doubt the new Godzilla movie is more accessable, but that means precisely nothing in the grand scheme of filmmaking.
You do know that Godzilla vs. Mothra was an award winning movie in Japan for music and effects, right? That Monster Zero was nominated for effects? Even the Heisei movies were awarded for editing and music. Going by accolades the new movie has a ways to go beyond the realm of simply, "accessability".
PART 4:
I wasn't calling you arrogant because of how you see the series. I was calling you arrogant because that's exactly what it takes to assume a movie you haven't seen before will be better than 28 movie series that's been released prior. That's simply how it is.
Listen, the new movie has a lot of wonderful stuff going for it and I hope it's fantastic, but this forum constantly acts like they've seen this movie already. They always assume one thing or another that fits their fantasy vision of how good this movie is going to be. Saying it will be the best movie out of a 29 film series, without even seeing it, requires a jawdropping amount of arrogance that assumes your foresight is greater than everyone elses. I assure you its not, but it pretty much tops the, already niave, attitude people have for this movie here.
Since we're on the subject though, I have no illusions of what the general public (I assume American?) thinks of the original series. That's fine, but they clearly don't have an academic or historical understanding of the series.
PART 5:
So you think it will be the best just because its accessible and people will want to see it? I'll go back to the Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen and Kill Bill comparison: That just doesn't work. Transformers made more money, more people saw it, but that doesn't make it better. Because something is niche does not mean it is inferior. And I warn anyone who thinks otherwise to check their so-called wisdom at the door for they might be disappointed.
Accessibilty is a great tool for getting messages across and, more importantly, making money. It is not an accolade for superior filmmaking. That's reality as well.
Cute! good work XD
Post the Pacific Rim when you finish with it.
@GMAN2887 Part V:
I'll finish up my response by saying this: it's obvious that Legendary and Gareth Edwards are trying to bring Godzilla back to his original, dark, gritty roots. That's why G.E. has constantly remarked on the realistic approach, and made an issue of including human drama in this film. It's a reintroduction to the titular character as he was originally MEANT to be, NOT the niche/genre-driven movies that came after it Nobody is going to pay today's theater admission prices to see a guy in a rubber suit, or a gigantic creature performing ludicrous martial arts moves. That's just the reality of it. That's why I believe this film will be THE best Godzilla movie ever made, simply because the approach to it is very much like the original 1954 film. That's the movie that put the Big G on the map, that made the character popular. The trailer alone speaks volumes on the tone of the movie.
No offense to you or your references, or your personal taste...ok?
Finally, the last time I was 'naive' about anything, Raquel Welch was still a sex symbol and we were all listening to cassette tapes (lol)...
Historically speaking, Godzilla's internal organs are said to be a form of nuclear reactor. This means that instead of ingesting things like carbs to fuel his body, he uses the energy given off by the fission of nuclear materials he consumes or absorbs in some manner. If his "stomach" was the primary place where this happened, it would be a very hostile radioacive zone constantly pulsing with nuclear power. His breath would likely work by opening a passage from his "stomach" to his mouth via an esophagus like tube. This would mean it wouldn't even have a charge time, realistically, it would be more of a projectile vomitting of energy. A better comparison would probably be to liken it to an inflated balloon (full of radiation) and when he wants to release that energy he would open the mouth of the balloon and let it rush out. This would come at great cost to him because this would be energy that he could no longer use to fuel his body, so it would be used in dire circumstances, or during times when he had an excess of energy. As for the effects of the beam, radiation is just energized particles. Light is radiation, microwaves are radiation, X-rays, gamma rays etc... His beam would not necessarily be "hot" but when it contacted other molecules energy would be transferred thus making those molecules or objects hot. Another note is that blue is hotter than red, so his red spiral ray would actually be weaker. A blue star is almost 10 times hotter ( hotter means more energy is released) than a red star.
@GMAN2887 Part IV:
I take exception at the "arrogant" remark; how is anything I said arrogant? Because I cited suitmation and bad dialogue in reference to the older movies? There's no arrogance there, just an acknowledgement of what the general public sees in those films. I can watch something, enjoy it, understand the artistic value in it, and still call it for what it is. I love watching "Plan 9 From Outer Space", but still realize how horrible the production values/plot/dialogue is. That's the beauty of it: it's so bad, it's good. Nothing 'arrogant' there, just being honest...
@GMAN2887 PartIII:
Tokusatsu fans may not care about realism in special effects, but the general moviegoing audience sure does; and make no mistake, that's what Legendary is going for here: general audiences. This isn't going to be a film celebrating a certain form of animation, it's going to be a major film release. If it had anything in common with the bulk of previous films, other than the title character, you wouldn't be seeing major, bankable actors being cast in it. So, in this case, realistic does equal better, as opposed to a certain artistic approach...
@GMAN2887 Part II:
I was around as a child for the 1960s Godzilla/Showa Era movies. With the exception of King Kong VS Godzilla, none of these movies was a major release in the US (I'm exempting Gojira and Godzilla Raids Again). I saw most of these movies in matinees; these same theaters were not showing Godzilla VS Mothra, et al, at prime movietimes (evening/night hours). G. VS M. may have been the most-viewed monster film in Japan, and was a big success in Asia, but not so much in this country, or Europe. Even at that time period these were recognized as niche movies. Why do you think Toho started aimimg these films more and more at children, remaking Godzilla's visage into more of a stuffed animal look, than the monstrous face of the original film? That definitely wasn't a move to connect with a larger, general audience...
Great video!!
@GMAN2887: I tried to post a response to your well-thought-out response to my comments yesterday, but after composing a post nearly as long as yours, couldn't get it to post, because this site seems to bump you off login status if you take past a certain amount of time to write. I'll make this into a couple of separate posts...
First off, I don't dispute the history of Tokusatsu at all. I understand it's place in cinematic historyand Japanese culture...however...
It's a somewhat well-known fact that Eijii Tsuburaya very much wanted to do stop-motion animation, a la Willis O'Brien, in the 1954 original film, but the cost of that process at that time was prohibitive, and the studio couldn't afford it. There's actually one scene in the movie that IS stop-motion (Godzilla destroying a building with his tail), but that's as far as they went. The suitmation was a no-other-choice decision...
Thanks AKio. :)
Epic win!
@GMAN2887, check some interviews with the cast and Gareth
Honestly it's the late and mid showa series that gets my friends. I know most of them would prefer watching the 98 movie to the 60s-70s Godzilla movies.
Nice KaijuFall, Love the shading!
>MUTO's are attacking
>Cranston(aka Walter white/Insert name) thinks there is somthing bigger coming
>MUTO's attack again
>Godzilla apears and beats the shit out of them
@Akagi
Your logic is too well thought out and makes too much since for the majority here. How dare you imply reason in a place like this?
what i mean is that your movie is better than the 1998 godzilla movie
I always love godzilla since I was young.
Now that I know how to do 3d and decided to post my art work to contribute to the new release of Godzilla 2014. Hope you guys love it :)
Thank you
Kris Tan
Singapore
I feel like I say this too much on this forum but... here goes.
Lets be realistic people.
We don't even KNOW Legendary Godzilla's origins and we are already assuming things like this?
Didn't Edwards say that the whole 'anti nuclear' thing is basically a fleeting message in the film. He makes no note that Godzilla was 'created' by atomic weapons.
And just because something is created by an atomic bomb, doesn't mean hes going to spew atomic bomb powered madness all about.
My phone plugs into the wall which is attached to a power grid that is attached to a box outside that is attached to a powerline. Does that make my phone as powerful as the powerline?
No.
You know, Val, if you didn't want to be criticized for your faults, you shouldn't have generated this thread in the first place.
And, on account of the Atomic Breath, I believe it'll be like Heisei's, with blue being commonplace and the Crimson Hyper Spiral Ray coming in to finish a monster off.
Well if they want to be that realistic with it a city would be destroyed basically with one blast. and to keep in line with GODZILLA and his past battles in JAPAN according to his old movies, charge ups wont take very long, and a power up to go full nuke takes longer but still isnt long enough to get to any kind of safe distance. The big G's true power with one of his minimal attacks with his breath weapon and i feel silly calling it that since hes a walking fusion reactor, i would think that it comes straight from where ever the power is generated not breath at all, but as i was saying a dirty bomb can destroy a good section of a city GODZILLA smallest or most help back attack is still so damaging that a city would still be uninhabitalbe after it. If they are going that rout it will explain the total destruction of multiple cities that he will destroy in the movie. for those who don't know, GODZILLA feeds on nuclear energy so nuking him is like a huge mistake and would only make him super powerful and that much more unstoppable. OMG... I JUST REALIZED THAT MISSLE IN THE MOVIE MIGHT BE A NUKE. GODZILLA might obsorb the energy showing that they truly are paying attention.
Why and who says mankind is supposed to lose? Why do people keep pulling information out of thin air? Nothing has been said that supports either theory of Godzilla dying or not. And no one has said that mankind is, "supposed to lose."
in the first film he was only killed off because no sequel was expected. for this film, mankind is supposed to lose, Godzilla being killed would not be consistent with this.
thanks kaijukritic you took that part of the post and put them into better words than I.
Not a single article about Godzilla dying is from a credible or reliable source. They should not be taken seriously, ever.
That's Korea though... All region 1 versions are out of print.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the bulk of money made by Marvel movies are from bandwagon fans-- including myself. I consider myself an Iron Man fan, but I had no idea who the character was until the first movie. Bandwagon fans are the best. They keep franchises alive.
I think the Mutos will be in the city attacking when you see Godzilla's fins rise a little above the water with the city in the distance. then his fins go under water. Then the humans detect a giant radioactive object heading for the city. Then godzilla rise on shore, roars, and starts attacking.
LOL. Thanks! But then again, what isn't better than the 98 movie?
This movie will probaly be good.It is going to be a BIG movie so if it stinks they will have to deal with TONS of people.
and it's better than the 1998 movie
Your welcome! I'm glad to hear you liked it!
