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Thats not entirely true. If you went into context and saw it was a response to, “
I think what we see here is that the show is a hit with hardcore G-fans. That's to be expected. But I doubt it did much to extend Toho's reach to anyone else. Now, many G-Fans are purists and want to keep their fandom to themselves, and think that's fine. So maybe that's okay. ”
The KotM reference was a secondary thought. So I should have specified, using that quote had nothing to do with monsterverse.
Kotm was very exclusive and didnt really open up to a larger audience. As fun as it is and I enjoy it, im not gonna try and pretend its a movie that was made as well as it could have been. It was a comparison that showed an interesting point.
Also he mainly just discredits KOTM and GvK..
Havent heard much criticism about KSI and G14
"And plus using a comment not related to monsterverse (the one about #3) and presenting it as one doesnt help support your case."
The comment did relate to the MonsterVerse though, The full comment was this:
"The show was ranked #3 on Japan's Netflix over the last few weeks. It takes more than a hardcore fanbase to accomplish that.
The hardcore fanbase showed up and largely love King of the Monsters in theaters, but the general audience didn't seem to pick up on it."
Essentialy he's saying "look at how much better that Singular Point did, King of the Monsters didn't do that well so Singular point is superior". He's directly using Singular Points successfulness to discredit the MonsterVerse.
Personally I don't care if he likes Singular Point more (that's his opinion), but the fact that he seems to use any opportunity to throw the MonsterVerse under the bus and to mock the filmmakers involved with that series has gotten really annoying and tiresome.
Hey goji. I'm going to watch Godzilla Singular Point whenever I get a chance
It was amazing, definitely worth a few rewatches
Of course singular Point and Monsterverse are gonna be compared. WHich is better is up to the individual, but if you look at the general reception SP has better recieved by the general public is entirely true.
"The show was ranked #3 on Japan's Netflix over the last few weeks. It takes more than a hardcore fanbase to accomplish that.
The hardcore fanbase showed up and largely love King of the Monsters in theaters, but the general audience didn't seem to pick up on it."
This isn't bashing its just entirely true. And plus using a comment not related to monsterverse (the one about #3) and presenting it as one doesnt help support your case.
Yet, you've been comparing Singular Point to the MonsterVerse, mostly as a way of discrediting the MonsterVerse.
"but after the Monsterverse, I'm happy to have a Godzilla story that swings the pendulum very, very far in the opposite direction."
"The show was ranked #3 on Japan's Netflix over the last few weeks. It takes more than a hardcore fanbase to accomplish that.
The hardcore fanbase showed up and largely love King of the Monsters in theaters, but the general audience didn't seem to pick up on it."
"It is a great deal better than the Monsterverse"
Hell, the Wingard quote that you've been using is another way you've been trying to disregard the MonsterVerse and throw it under the bus...
"To me the reactions that I've seen feel more like a "Japanese Godzilla vs American Godzilla" situation with fans arguing over which ones "better", which I find kind of ridiculous."
Indeed, especially since I haven't seen much of that at all. In fact many of the people praising it are also fans of the Monsterverse merely enjoying the series for what it is rather than comparing it to anything. Rightfully so as the series is excellent without comparison. It is a great deal better than the Monsterverse, but I don't think that's really a conversation worth having when there's so much meat in the series itself worth mining without the need for comparison.
There were ideas that I liked and the animation was fantastic, but I feel like the series got bogged down too much by the over bearing technobabble. A little bit is fine, but when 90% of the dialogue is made up of it, it becomes extremely jumbled and hard to follow. Heck, there were times where I was wondering if the characters even knew what they were talking about. It felt like there was too much going on at once and the plot became too convoluted and confusing, it got to the point where I had a hard time trying to comprehend what was happening. The fact that they kept flip flopping between the origins of the monsters (ranging from them being prehistoric, them being from space, them being deep sea creatures, them being from another dimensions, to them evolving from the red dust) really annoyed me, seriously pick an origin and stick with it. It really made me appreciate the simplicity of the the other Godzilla stories. I also find in ironic that the series is made out of technobabble and exposition dumps, yet there's things that they flat out don't explain why did the blood of the Sarunga/Megalon/Kumonga creature come to life and become Hedorah-like creatures?, Why could Godzilla Terrestris's blood become tentacles that protected it from harm? What was the Shadow Rodan? How did Salunga get into that facility? None of this was explained and it just added to the confusion.
The new monster designs just felt uninspired to me, there were aspects of them I liked, but for the most part they felt really unoriginal. Looking at Salunga, Godzilla Amphibia, and Godzilla Aquatilis I couldn't help but think of how much I would rather be watching Gabara, Varan, and Titanosaurus and how it would have been cooler to see them return instead. Godzilla Ultima looked amazing though.
I mentioned Godzilla feeling like an afterthought. He doesn't fully appear until the end of episode 6 and then doesn't actually become Godzilla until the end of episode 10. Even when he's finally in the show they barely show him, there are long periods of time where they cut away from Godzilla and they barely mention him, there are times where it almost seems like they forget about him. I like a good build up (I love Godzilla 2014 for that reason), but when you spend 2/3 of the series waiting to see Godzilla in action, only for them to barely show or mention him, it's pretty annoying.
I didn't hate it, like I said there were things that I enjoyed (I sure as hell liked it a lot better than the Polygon Trilogy), but there was a lot that dragged it down for me. With all of the hype, I had big expectations for it, but in the end I just felt let down. I may watch it again in the future and my opinions may change, but as far as my initial reaction, I was just really disappointed.
I find it interesting that the most praise that I've seen being given to it (besides the animation) is that "different" and that it's not the MonsterVerse (or that it's not "American"). To me the reactions that I've seen feel more like a "Japanese Godzilla vs American Godzilla" situation with fans arguing over which ones "better", which I find kind of ridiculous.
Such a great series! I love it!
Here, here. Second time watching the show and I'm truly sucked in to the world, the procedure and the ideas. I'll likely watch it a third time, once again in Japanese again just to check out Netflix's subtitles. Though I'm surprised at how well the English dub sounds. Johnny Yong Bosch (the Black Ranger from Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers) is a perfect English speaking Yun.
Also, Dman on youtube did a tremendous cover of Sawada's, Alapu Upala, (another example of the mirror concept Mei brought up with "6=9"). Looks like we'll be getting a few different variations of this fantastic piece on the soundtrack, but until then...
Alapu Upala - Godzilla Singular Point [Piano Cover]
THis is where I disagree with you. The main thing that really stands out about this show to me is how original it is. Rather that the same pattern that much of the godzilla media follows of Monster vs Monster, or Godzilla comes on land, stop it.
"Other ideas constantly contradicted themselves, at one point they state that monsters like Gabara-I mean Salunga could control the red mist and then in another scene they state that the monsters were created and controlled by the red mist" I honestly dont see your problem with this. Im pretty sure, that the second statement was never said.
"Godzilla himself kind of felt like an afterthought and it almost felt like they kept forgetting he was there, he seemed more like a special guest star as opposed to being one of the main focal points."
This isnt a problem. Godzilla wasnt even the main focus of the Original movie.
"I didn't really like that the "new" monsters and Godzilla's early forms just recycled design elements from older monsters." I thought they were fantastic! Salunga was an amazing deisign and the more I look at it I see Gabara and Baragon less and less. JUst because it has a horn and the sam skin color doesnt mean theyre the same kaiju. It came off more mmonkey like.
The show kept me entertained the entire time and everything seemed very intentional. And I say again, it isnt bogged down by the usual format of ultraman and monsterverse, and much other godzilla movies.
Unpopular Opinion:
I didn't really like it that much... The animation is amazing and there's some really cool moments. But the story was way too convoluted and confusing, most of the show is focused on a lot of overly complicated technobabble and it was extremely hard to follow (it felt like there was too much going on at once). The series kept flip flopping on it's plot points and it seemed like the writers couldn't decide on certain details, the fact that they kept changing the origins of the monsters and the origin point of the song became extremely annoying, it's like they were just throwing out ideas to see what stuck. Other ideas constantly contradicted themselves, at one point they state that monsters like Gabara-I mean Salunga could control the red mist and then in another scene they state that the monsters were created and controlled by the red mist (Which is it?). Most of the characters were okay, although I felt like the AIs were more annoying than cute, especially the whole Jet Jaguar talking like a baby bit. Godzilla himself kind of felt like an afterthought and it almost felt like they kept forgetting he was there, he seemed more like a special guest star as opposed to being one of the main focal points. I didn't really like that the "new" monsters and Godzilla's early forms just recycled design elements from older monsters. I didn't completely dislike it, I did enjoy it way more than the Polygon trilogy. Overall I had really high hopes and I just felt a bit letdown.
My current rating is 2.5/5 (Mixed Bag)
FINALLY YAAAAAY
although i have conflicting feelings towards netflix...
this will suffice
either Arcade style or open world style
but seriously its very likely that mothra will come back remember what the director said ''mothra never really dies''
HinikunaGoji,
Indeed. Monsterverse Godzilla certainly has more in common with Heisei Gamera than he does Godzilla. I often find there to be a lot of similarities between the two "trilogies" as it were.
A poster was released to commemorate the 13th episode being broadcast on television this week in Japan. (The Netflix episodes release a week early and then repeat on broadcast later.)
The fanfare for it has been quite real overseas:
I love it. I love the accent on the bottom chords that I never really much attention to in other renditions. The choir chant is a nice touch as well, works well with the apocalyptic nature of Goji
Kan Sawada's complete rendition of Ifukube's Godzilla March has been uploaded to Youtube:
Godzilla's March - Singular Point
Love how well the images highlight the design's strengths. Solid Godzilla in action.
BigGrayGolem,
The show was ranked #3 on Japan's Netflix over the last few weeks. It takes more than a hardcore fanbase to accomplish that.
The hardcore fanbase showed up and largely love King of the Monsters in theaters, but the general audience didn't seem to pick up on it.
That said, anime is already a niche style in the west these days. If we're speaking of the English-speaking or Western fandom alone, we have to consider that much of the audience is already nerfed by the anime genre wall.
Toho has been doing a great job experimenting and twisting the per-concieved notions of the franchise over the last few years. If it's not very inviting to some younger audiences, that's fine since there's plenty for them in it already. There's no, "wrong track" for a franchise this diverse and while I can understand having issues with the series from an execution standpoint, the idea of asserting the franchise is not diverse enough to include stories that only appeal to specific demographics feels myopic.
I've voted for Arcade-Style Fighting Game solely for the fact that the format fits the Godzilla franchise so perfectly yet over the many years hasn't explored the full potential of it.
When you think about it, there are actually very few 3D FIGHTING games as most of the popular ones like Smash, Tekken, Street Fighter and Mortal Combat use what is called a 2.5D plane. The 3D not only opens up so much potential for fighting techniques and mechanisms but also for much bigger stages and larger scaled battles.
Quite some time ago I actually made a concept about my vision for a Godzilla fighting game called "Godzilla: Gods of Destruction" in which I try to expand on some of these ideas along with reusing and reworking elements from the Atari trilogy and the PS4 game (still a solid game BTW). If anyone's interested, click here to go to my Reddit post for the whole concept
Biollante, Battra, Destoroyah, Space Godzilla, and Desghidorah
Even the original '54 film was aimed at adults, but had elements to keep kids in the seats.
I disagree heaviy with this statement. I can say for sure, that if I had seen that film as a child, I would not be interested in godzilla. I dont get how a child could sit through long courtroom discussions, or stand watching nother child scream because thier mother died from radiation sickness.
Singular Point was entertaining through the characters to me. And exposition spouting isnt the best description for them. What they say is believable its more of them learning. Take a look that the scenes when Yun realizes anguirus can see into the future.
Tono is creating a lot of Godzilla themed content for children right now. Godziban and chibiGodzilla are examples. And Godzilla in shinkalion movie as well. I dont feel that Toho is avoiding children, but what we’re being exposed to are the more adult themed films. Godzilla is branching out, and not just to adults.
I think what we see here is that the show is a hit with hardcore G-fans. That's to be expected. But I doubt it did much to extend Toho's reach to anyone else. Now, many G-Fans are purists and want to keep their fandom to themselves, and think that's fine. So maybe that's okay.
Like I said elsewhere in my house we have kids ranging from toddler to teen. NONE of them enjoyed this show (barring the Anguiras fight episode). This show is aimed at adult otaku, and adult G-fans in particular.
I'm never thrilled when adults take over a fandom and make it exclusive to themselves. (Tarantino Star Trek? Ugh.) Even the original '54 film was aimed at adults, but had elements to keep kids in the seats. Good writers know how to craft stories to satisfy their full audience.
At least there's enough other (older) Godzilla material to satisfy others. We've got a huge library to choose from. But Toho's on the wrong track in the current era.
@HinikunaGoji
I'm just going along with the ones he listed, but yes Godzilla would count since he did specify Heisei.
Does Godzilla COunt? He was the villian of the SHowa I mean Hesei movie Godzilla 1984.
After finally finishing the show, I can honestly say its one of my favorite animes. The story-telling was there, the character building was solidified, and the monsters were satisfying to watch on-screen. Godzilla was portrayed really well here, and I love that they played with the cinematography to really ground him as a God in his own right. I can't wait to see this again.
Destroyah for me. Seeing him on-screen will always be super memorable.
I think Godzilla has always worked as a fighting game and it can be improved upon with the software and tech we have today. Destructible environments can be upgraded now and the map sizes for the arenas can be increased. I'd rather have a Godzilla game that focuses on bringing out some of the monsters' true combat potential and destructive capabilities while also just being a badass fighting game. Its completely possible, and it has cinematic potential.
Already got mine pre-ordered. Can't wait!
They have my money. Favorite Godzilla design, ever
They needed it to survive extended amounts of time. A fish doesnt immediately die when taken out of water.
I dont feel that the show lost track of itself. It was very focused and my irk was that we didnt see Ultima enough the payoff was enough for myself and others I know.
”Clearly the appearances of some of these kaiju was fanservice. The Hedorah goo? The Mothras that had no impact on the story at all, and simply disappeared the episode after they appeared? Kumongas that look like Kumonga one minute, then Kamakaris the next?”
I dont see your problem in this. Much of the kaiju were original, like the Kanegas, not kumacras or kumongas. The hedorah just showed how weird kaiju get, which resoldifies this idea in the audiences mind. At least the “fan service” comes with good writing. For example I thought the mothras helped the Apocalytic themes in episode 11.
I honestly dont see why you take so much issue with the characters. Like shin godzilla there is no time. Theyre all rushing and especially when Mei learns of the catastrophe. Its not traditional character work, and In my opinion doesnt detract from the story.
One thing I love about the show is it isnt the normal format. Its Godzilla Comes and they stop him. They know hes coming and have to try to prevent him, and dont stop the catastrophe, they avoid it. (avoid is always used not stop)
Its very evident not all kaiju need the archetype dust as you said. I do not think Goji needs it, bu using it to turn earth into the demension where Goji came from.
Can the Rodans evolve to not need it?
Maybe. I mean anything is possible.
Does that imply that MechaGodzilla is finished, it may go berserk like Kiryu did?
No I do not think so, we saw that in GvK recently. The bones were emitting the song which attracted the rodans, but I think SHIVA was the source not the bones. So I think theyre just bones.
open world, not like goat, but more like being a human and doing things with kaiju running around
HinakunaGoji, I assumed that all Kaiju need it since they constantly emitted it. Though, looking back, Anguirus and Kumunga didn't need it. So I'm changing my question to do the kaiju who emit it, like Godzilla, actually need it to survive? Can the Rodans evolve to not need it?
The Godzilla skeleton was referred to as "bones with a will." Does that imply that MechaGodzilla is finished, it may go berserk like Kiryu did?
Well, seeing as Godzilla Unleashed was my favorite game growing and seeing as Godzilla Kaijuu Daikessen is currently my favorite tournament fighter, I would say the MonsterVerse or any other continuity could do well with a fighting game.
Something like Goat Simulator, but Godzilla.
