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Yeah, I still don't understand it. If the Rodans needed red dust to survive, how did they appear in the beginning without out? The dust came later. The song called them, but then the song wasn't responsible after all for their appearance?
I'll chalk some of this up to bad subtitles, but it was so confusing, I think the producers lost track fo what they were doing.
Clearly the appearances of some of these kaiju was fanservice. The Hedorah goo? The Mothras that had no impact on the story at all, and simply disappeared the episode after they appeared? Kumongas that look like Kumonga one minute, then Kamakaris the next?
Then there was an entire appearance by Anguiras which was supposed presented as a plot point to give JJ the "battle weapon" he'd need to defeat Godzilla (because the horn could predict attacks before they happen), then he doesn't even use it in the final fight. What??
It's too bad, too. The idea of creatures that could evolve in real-time was interesting. The idea of them being the 3D result of some 6+D dimension was interesting. The idea of monsters that were hard to beat because they had precognition was terrifying.
But too many ideas dropped so they could introduce new ones just as fast.
Still miles better than Planet Godzilla ("hey, let's make a show where Godzilla takes a whole episode to move four inches"), but I'm concerned with the direction that the Reiwa era is shifting Godzilla. In each outing, Toho gets a mere few minutes of footage that are memorable (Shin G's breath attack is astonishing, and instantly iconic), surrounded by HOURS of exposition and flat characters.
At least the Showa and Heisei human characters were interesting, even when annoying. These new scripts are pumping out characters that appear written by an AI bot.
I wanted to explain your red dust question. The only kaiju directlybstated to need red dust to survive are rodans.
Interestingly the red dust different phases seem so different, when being the same substance because of the shadow analogy, that BB makes. Seeing a four demensional object take different phases would look different materials.
Im not sure I want the mothras to merge, but one to develop and grow big. And yes I assume theyre Mothras.
I loved Godzilla Singular Point. I have a few questions left but I thing these are my main ones: What happened to Godzilla after the fight? What happened to the other Kaiju? Are those moths all individual Mothras or are they going to combine into one larger Mothra? Will the Kaiju still need the red dust to survive or will the evolve to survive without spreading it? (not that I don't like the concept of the red dust, I'm just curious since it all became blue crystals.) I can't wait for season 2.
Indeed. I loved the Jet Jaguar vs. Godzilla battle and thought the payoff of an enlarged Jet Jaguar that completed its programing from the past was fantastic. Not too concerned with how "long" the battle is as long as the stakes are high and the drama works--Which it did. If I want longer battles I have a backlog of 36 movies to pick from.
I'll have to agree PP Jet Jaguar's final speech was reaching for some themes that weren't expounded upon earlier and I preferred the more procedural approach from the characters over emotional. Not that they were detached from saving humanity, as they were clearly passionate and invested in the situation leading to their responsibility toward stopping the catastrophe. However, their personal lives were not the center piece of their characters.
I get some people don't enjoy the "pretentiousness" to it all, but after the Monsterverse, I'm happy to have a Godzilla story that swings the pendulum very, very far in the opposite direction. However, labeling these variables as an "auteur's ego" is a fairly presumptuous label for a writer's enthusiasm.
I liked the ending, I dont watch godzilla for action. it depends on your taste
Again, I was pumped for this show, and loved the first few episodes, the overall tone, the kaiju designs, and the animation.
But just can't get past the wonky (and, if one is honest, largely nonsensical) physics stuff, and the fact that it took 13 episodes to get a "final battle" that lasted all of about three minutes.
These characters were really likeable, too, but completely undeveloped. This was six hours of exposition with a very, very weak payoff.
The blue crystal ending was cool, but -- again, if we're honest -- the final speech by JJ was just emotional tugging, and didn't actually mean much. They literally said this was all "about becming more human and learning about humankind." If that's supposed to be a metaphor, it doesn't work. If it's supposed to literally be JJ's point of view, well, he never really became "more human" in any way that appeared on screen. If anything, his AI devolved since the earlier episodes.
I did like the discussion of inevitability at the end, but it hardly explained anything, and really came off as someone trying desperately to sound "profound."
Godzilla is like sex or chocolate cake -- even bad Godzilla is better than no Godzilla. So overall, for me, Singular Point was "meh plus." Great kaiju designs, amazing animation but hobbled by an "auteur" who needs to get out of his own ego.
Im pretty sure those voices were the jet jaguar ai children things.
it says avoiding the catastrophe not stopping it, so maybe theyll have to completely stop it.
Or where has Ashihara been? How did the monsters emerge in our dimension? valid points
HinikunaGoji,
There's still plenty of questions yet to be answered. Such as the voices in the first episode? Or where has Ashihara been? How did the monsters emerge in our dimension? What was the Shadow Rodan? (Though I don't really feel like we need an answer to that one.)
It will definitely tackle new material while addressing plenty of plot threads leftover. It'll be interesting to see the state of the world post-Catastrophe. I'm also excited to see the potential of Yun and Mei side by side next season.
Cool.
The 3rd one is the best one
Im wondering how theyll continue the show, it seems theyve explored a lot about archetype already. Maybe introducing a new material?
cant wait until season 2 then we will see the new mechagodzilla in action
Oh Wow, That was definitely worth the wait. The ending was interesting. Based on the blue coloration of the crystals, I bet thats a different phase of Archetype.
I havent seen episode 13. but will come back when I have
They look like mechag from godzilla vs mechagodzilla 2
HinikunaGoji,
We also get that plenty with things like the Ultraman franchise, Super Sentai and Kamen Rider. Additionally, the last two animated Godzilla series did that. We don't exactly need another and I for one would've gotten bored with that fairly quickly--Especially in light of the other media that saturate it and do it so well already.
Im pretty sure they didnt want a "monster of the week" format seen in the kaiju genre.
BigGrayGolem,
I don't find specific material being unsatisfying to a particular age group very valid criticism for something unless it is specifically trying to do so. It's like criticizing Italian New Wave for not being in English because some people don't like reading subtitles. It's not for them. The Godzilla series is wide and expansive. If your kids aren't enjoying Singular Point there's plenty of other things to watch in the franchise instead. This particular piece is not for them and there's nothing wrong with that.
Additionally, assuming there's only two reasons Orange and Bones decided to execute the story the way they have comes off as fairly myopic. There can't be other reasons? It seems to match the question in regards to how we watch Godzilla--We have 65 years of monsters slugging each other. God forbid we find new reasons to enjoy and expound upon the franchise, I suppose. If you really want the same old formula, we have stuff like GvK for that.
I wouldnt say legendary,
Earth is already way stronger even at 150 feet, Earth is basically a god in the anime.
Godzilla earth, It already “fought” a cthulu like monster
singular point is like that
That's a tough one.
If we're talking just in a physical battle, than Cthulu might have a bit of an edge. He's more humanoid, so he could easily outmatch Big G's short arms. They have about the same Intelligence.
If we're talking about any other category, Cthulu wins indefinitely. There's always something new and disgusting that that thing can do that we've never heard of. The fight could only last a few seconds if Cthulu just pulled some dark magic junk and turned Godzilla into a toaster.
You guys seriously went from godzilla to loop Quantum gravity in like 20 minutes
Actually, to contradict myself, rewatched the ending & the person in a 'kimono' is not in a kimono & it's probably Lucy Palotti wife of cameraman Victor & Audrey's friend, during second half of film. Other two still don't know.
I have no idea how you managed to recognize so many characters from across the whole franchise, I recognized a few, but that's amazing! Also, as to frame 13 with the seemingly mostly Godzilla 1998 cast, having rewatched it recently... Yellow Question mark, in his khaki vest & shorts, with a goatee is almost definitely Dr Mendel Craven & Light Blue Question Mark with glasses, a jacket, red shirt & red hair is likely Dr Elsie Chapman (though it's hard to tell). the other three I do not recognize & do not believe they are from this film. The one in what appears to be a red kimono, certainly not.
Nicolas Cage and this movie poster
About your point of GSP not being appealing to kids. Most sources I see its rated R15+ in Japan. So I dont think its trying to appeal to kids.
I'm fine with waiting for Goji if the payoff is right, or not right. Honestly I dont care if there is a fight.
As for the characters, I dont really see your point, they very clearly have different personalities and I have no idea what backstory they would need
That's fine, but it's another case of a franchise moving to satisfy an aging demographic of adults who are still tied to their childhood, and abandoning people who are living their childhood RIGHT NOW... as in kids.
Our house has kids of various ages, 2-15, and all of them lost interest in Singular Point within 2 episodes. There's nothing here for them at all. And any Godzilla show that literally has only, maybe, five total minutes of Godzilla spread out over 6 hours is obviously doing something wrong.
Again, there was a way to have accomplished both aims, here. The show could have leaned into the physics stuff while still giving some "red meat" to fans who actually want to see kaiju in a show about kaiju. The only explanation as to Singular Points refusal to do so is either the creator's vanity/arrogance (trying to be the smartest guy in a room filled with otaku, which isn't hard), and/or budget. They simply couldn't afford the CGI monster animation, so packed it with hours and hours of 2d exposition scenes.
But if you're into Nolan, it makes sense. Nolan is another guy who tries to be the smartest guy while doing dumb things like eschewing character development or audible dialog as a means of looking artsy. But even Nolan got it right a few times; Dark Knight satisfied all audiences, both kids and adults alike.
I dunno. If I watch 6 hours of Godzilla, I wanna see Godzilla. Not people talking about Godzilla.
BigGrayGolem,
I vehemently disagree. All of EnJoe's work is high concept on this level and it's refreshing to have such a thing in the Godzilla franchise. This isn't an action series or a character driven series, it's all about the high concept. As such, characters in these stories, or stories like Shin Godzilla, or Gamera 2, don't have to be traditionally developed. In the latter cases, which are procedural based, not unlike Law & Order, the characters are conduits for the story's ideas and concepts. It's the same here. While the characters are not heavy on development, they work because their fascination and enthusiasm for the concept(s) invest us in it as well.
An example I've likened to this is many of Christopher Nolan's films, particularly Tenet from last year (which I loved). The main character has a vague backstory, but his passion and drive are steeped in his dedication to his work and the story's concept. There aren't many personal threads to work with. Likewise, Yun and Mei's passion and drive is to their work - to the mystery - to safeguarding humanity and acting as conduits for the story.
This most certainly drives traditionalist, character writers, and audiences, nuts, but it's also an example of how there are many ways to approach characters and what kind of emphasis is put on them.
If these aren't reasons some people watch Godzilla-related stories, there's certainly plenty of others to pick from instead. Otherwise, I don't think it hurts to create and/or find new reasons to watch Godzilla-related content. This in particular has become the most fascinating and re-watchable since GMK.
Unfortunately, I think the show is -- ultimately -- the vanity project of a Physics professor. I first thought it was great, and liked the science backbone. The new monster designs are amazing. But I'm now done with Episode 12, and the last two episodes were nearly all physics lessons. In Ep 12 specifically, Godzilla makes no appearance, and Salunga appears in one scene for about 5 seconds. In Ep 11, Godzilla had about 10 seconds of screentime, obscured in red dust.
I get that adding a science backstory is interesting, but people don't generally watch Godzilla shows for 6-hour lessons in speculative physics. Worse, while the characters are likeable, they are wholly undeveloped. We have no backstory for any of them, and they each exist merely to utter the writer's physics technobabble. Each episode is simply exposition.
I think it's a matter of vanity and budget. By not showing the monsters (other than the Anguiras fight, and then the JJ vs. Kumongas fight), the show could rely on the cheaper 2D animation.
Maybe Episode 13 will knock it out of the park, with the last few eps have lowered my expectations for either a meaningful explanation or any actual excitement.
Episode 12 has been my favorite so far.
HE didnt like the short jokes.
Also that variation is amazing
- The worst part in Godzilla Vs Kong was it's predictibility
- Everyone knew Godzilla and Kong will fight and then they will teamUp against a Bigger threat
- The best part for me
- We now know who is the real king , Kong gave a tough fight but Man Godzilla Showed the dominance forpc jiofi.local.html
I actually haven't seen the OG King Kong
jeez now i feel like a faker...fhrjdkmjifi-
That's interesting though!
I thought the same thing.
Another potential Easter egg is in the scene where the group first meet the Skull Islanders. Marlow attempts to calm the Iwi down stating "Everybody keep your wigs on!". In the original 1933 King Kong during the scene where Kong breaks through the wall, the natives panic, one of them attempts to free some chickens from a pen, during which he trips and gets his wig caught on the pen causing it to come off.
P.P.S. I guess Godzilla Ultima is over 100 meters now...
