What Godzilla's Ancient Enemy Really Could Be.

ive always kept the destroyah type monster theory in mind, i think my first post ever was actually in regards to that theory, this definetly strengthens that idea, great post!

Some interesting considerations!

Somehow I'd forgotten about the notion that the MUTOs were "bolstered by humanity's scientific arrogance," and therefore could indeed be the result of scientists' meddling. That is an interesting point to consider when thinking about the MUTOs' origins, so thanks for the reminder.

Also, the energy-leaching idea reminds me of something, heh.

(I'm sure there's more I have to say, but it's quite late and I can't think right now!)

Can't believe you took the time to write all that. Very intriguing. I have a strong feeling that that's the way it's going to go down in the movie.

Pretty sure the MUTOs will originate from the sinkholes that are very important on the muto website.

Those sinkholes have to have a big part in the story and since Godzilla is coming from the ocean I think the sinkholes will be where they find the other monsters that fight him.

For a first post you make quite a crucial and critical analyses. The Destroya theory never occured to me

Very credible. I applaud your knowledge of the sea (I'm a marine biology major). Very, very well theorized. 

@durpoo4

everyone seems to always forget abou the sinkholes, no idea why,  i gave up on makin gposts about them.

in any case, yea,they are definetly important to the plot. in fact, i noticed that some of the dots on the globe in the muto site seem to match up with real sinkholes, and that the connecting dots on the network grid, match up  with the dots on the globe, could this be alluding to an underground ecosystem where the mutos initially originate? i dont know, maybe

sinkholes can only mean one thing, Anguirus.

I'm kidding of course, but I liked your comparison to destoroyah, very well thought out!

@godzilla himself

that ecosystem idea, (really just got me thinking how awesome that would be) makes alot of sense. i mean, where did the one we all call "vishnu" come from. on that note i leave you pondering this; it's said big g will only fights 2 new monsters, maybe there is a unseen fight between the mutos and vishnu?  and side note has anyone read the godzilla comic "past, presant, future." there is a monster that attacks big g in the jurassic time that is winged.

@gundamusa

yeah i remember dark horses godzilla #16 that was also the last comic for the series i believe and yeah that was a space monster but still cool looking though if you ask me :) i really wish that toho would have gotten permission from art adams to use some of his famous creations like bagorah and that space monster those two were really cool :)

After seeing the leaked image of the flying Muto toy, it further points to the Destroyah-theory that I talked about, which is present here in this Godzilla movie. We can see that the flying Muto possesses the same outlook and traits as the 8-legged Muto, except with a larger frame and wings this time, which suggests the Muto evolved / transformed itself to better take on Godzilla. When looking through the leaked toylist, I noted that the pack with 8-legged muto + Godzilla mini toy set costs $7.99 while the Winged muto pack costs $19.99. What caught my attention most was the one which merely listed Muto + Godzilla set at $21.99. Could the $21.99 pack reveal the ultimate enemy of Godzilla ?

Also, for those who advocate a different sort of theory on the Mutos, you will notice I did not talk about the multi-armed (so-called Taleghan) creature sighted in the teaser clips nor the relevance of the sinkholes. Because teasers sometimes do not necessarily bear exact relevance to the film, and are only meant to be viral-marketing materials to ignite discussion or speculation, or to draw attention away from the true details of the plot. This is similar to how we saw teaser clips of whale carcasses and the Tagruato Corporation and the Slusho ads prior to the screening of Cloverfield, but we do not see these things in the actual movie. Likewise, I doubt this multi-armed armadillo-like lizard creature nor the sinkholes we see on the teasers are going to make an appearance in this Godzilla movie. 

For guys who still insist that this multi-armed (taleghan) creature would appear in the movie, here's my theory on what would take place. Based on the appearance of this creature, which resembles a multi-armed armadillo + lizard, it suggests a burrower. Which means that the sinkholes are created by this creature. If you look at the backdrop where the carcass of the creature lies, it appears to be in Japan (most likely Tokyo) where it encountered Godzilla and was exterminated, needless to say. Note that this teleghan creature did not go looking for Godzilla for a fight. If we look at the events, where I explained that Godzilla was forced to feed on radioactive energy on land which brought it to Tokyo, the said multi-armed creature could also have found it's way there to feed on the nuclear plant, which led to the confrontation. In other words, this multi-armed creature could also have been an ancient species that lived in the pacific region, like Godzilla did and was awoken by the increased radioactivity on the pacific islands. Therefore my take on this multi-armed lizard would be that even if it does appear in the movie, it would play a minor role in the start of the movie. 

The sinkholes and the multi armed monster aren't comparable. The mult- armed monster was shown in proof of concept footage before the script was even done so any1 would know that isn't going to have relevance to the actual film.

The sinkholes however do. The fact that they are a big part of the muto website speaks for itself, I doubt they'd design a site with a big part of it just to throw people off. That and there are a few scenes in the trailer that show caverns which are fairly likely to be in those sinkholes. I don't think it's fair to discount the sinkholes simply because they don't go with your destroyah theory

@DURP004 

I did not dismiss the presence of sinkholes over my Destroyah-theory, but I do not subscribe to your notion that the Mutos will originate from the sinkholes. If that's really the case, this movie would then smack of unrealism because giant creatures don't just come crawling out of the underground suddenly all in one shot and start attacking humans. Then Godzilla will just end up like any other B-grade movie.

To me, the MUTO monsters are cross-mutations of experiments carried out by the MUTO Organization involving ancient organisms that leeched on Godzilla in the ocean, and those of existing land animals that went out of control and wrecked havok on land. We need only look at the body features of the Muto toys leaked to know they are hybrids of different animals. Like you mentioned, you said the sinkholes are a 'big part of the MUTO website'. It serves as an official viral-marketing site for Godzila that details the operations of MUTO and what they do. To me, these details merely attempt to depict realism in MUTO's operations and may not necessarily appear in the movie itself. Similarly in Cloverfield, its viral websites depict Tagruato and Slusho's website with details and drilling locations, but do we see them in the actual movie? None at all.

My assessment of the story-plot is based on what I have seen so far, and also drawing from details laid out bare on the toys' descriptions and what we see from the official trailers, and not merely teasers/viral marketing materials by the way. If your theory is based on the sinkholes, I very much welcome you to provide your analysis and explanation of the story-plot based on the sinkholes, rather than just quote that sinkholes play a big part on MUTO's website to support your point.

I would certainly like to know how an incredible giant flying MUTO and a giant 8-legged MUTO could simply dig themselves out of a sinkhole and start a fight with Godzilla.   

Does Godzilla not simply come out of the ocean? Judging by the backstory we have on him so far it's clear he does the exact thing except from the ocean rather than caves.

The fact that it is said Godzilla is the last of a group of monsters created from radiations says there were more at 1 point. Maybe not the same exact monster but thrived off radiation. The skeleton that is shown in the trailer is in a cavern, and larger than any normal animal so it's safe to say that monster was at least similar to Godzilla, and the fact he is in a cave, which on the world map on the website shows all the sinkholes being connected speaks volumes for the fact monsters like Godzilla were underground. Now if not for the trailer showing that scene I'd agree, but the fact that 1 of the trailers on the muto site talked about new life being in the sinkholes, and the scene from the newest trailer I'd stack the odds that the monsters originate in those sinkholes. Sure they may be tampered with through genetic engineering by man after they are found but I see it more likely they come from the sinkhole that simply a parasite living off Godzilla 

@Durp004

Thanks for your comments, but it appears that you still have not provided your theory in detail as to how the sinkholes can possibly be where the Mutos originate, to form the backbone of your entire Godzilla theory, other than just quoting you caught a glimpse of what appears to be a cavern in the trailer. The cavern in the trailer could have been excavated by humans that discovered the bones of the same species belonging to Godzilla which have died out when the climate changed. Carcasses of dinosaurs which had died out over millions of years were  also buried underneath rock over time as earth changed its landscape. So if we find bones of the dinosaurs underground, does it then give the theory that dinosaurs originated from below the ground based on that logic?

Pointers that tell me your sinkhole theory does not stand:

Point #1: Let's quote the most obvious - The word 'MUTO' itself, it is not a species that lives in the caves by the way, it represents the organization itself. Ask yourself, why would a monster be called a MUTO monster for nothing if it is not a product of MUTO's experimentation? Even Legendary states that Godzilla is pitted against malevolent creatures who, bolstered by humanity's scientific arrogance, threaten our very existence.

Point #2: It is stated that Godzilla has been living in the deep ocean - until a threat to his survival from an ancient foe forces him to reappear.' So are you saying that a creature which originated from a cave on land could force Godzilla, which is in the comfort of the depths of the ocean to come out to the surface? Or is Godzilla so interested in picking fights with monsters that he simply pops out of the sea when he is in a good mood and goes into a boxing match? Something must be in the ocean that caused Godzilla to come up onto land to feed on the nuclear plants to survive. That's where deep-sea ancient organisms revived by the 1954 nuclear blasts, with the parasitic ability to leech Godzilla's energy come into mind.

Point #3: Why in the world would MUTO want to create new forms of gigantic MUTO Monsters or bolster the powers of existing giant monsters (which originate from sinkholes apparently) to fight Godzilla when Godzilla itself is a Big Headache already for humans? Of course not. That's where Destroyah's theory comes into mind. It would make sense for MUTO to extract the cells of an ancient deep-sea micro-organism and bland them with existing animals such as insects or bats because these animals are small in size. The scientists at MUTO created these small sized hybrids to attack Godzilla by leeching on its energy like what parasites would do. At the same time, the scientists thought they could control their creations since they were too small to prove a threat. Turns out things just went out of control and the cells mutated into something larger which kept growing and growing. That is the same case with Destroyah that went from a microscopic deep-sea organism to a gigantic menace.

#Point 4: This blows your sinkhole origin theory - The glowing bodies of the MUTOs. Bioluminescence occurs on marine vertebrates and invertebrates, which is the strongest hint that the enemy that threatens Godzilla originated from the ocean.  

so many walls of text discussing nonsense, the ancient enemy is muto. if there were other monsters in the movie, there would be toys of them, and we'd see them already. 

@Jazmyne 

Obviously you weren't reading the 'walls of text' when you decided to drop this nonsensical comment of yours. My discussion was focused on the info taken from the toys and the MUTOs for your info. Speaks a lot about your intelligence. Lmao.

@Destroyah-x

cute, because when I complain about walls of text, it means I don't have lifetime to spend reading nonsense fan theories, at least learn how to say things with less filler and more meat. i'd rather just reply to them. But whatevs, insult me all you want, won't make you look any more intelligent. 

Keep writing your novels and i'll keep not-reading them. I believe robert frost once said "Half the world is composed of people who have something to say and can't, and the other half who have nothing to say and keep on saying it." 

@Jazmyne

Oh, I too didn't bother to read that long wall of text you just typed above btw. My advice for you is fast and easy. - Don't Read, Don't Comment. Then you will have nothing to whine about. Nobody expects you to. That's all :) 

DESTROYAH-X - This is going to sound a bit mean, so I apologize ahead of time but this thread set me off and I have to vent for a few minutes.

Just because there are hints that Godzilla's enemy is aquatic in nature, there is NOTHING that says or even hints at it being a micro-organism. Like so many with the Rodan theory, your are projecting your own opinions into the information and that doesn't work. Why? Because your thoughts and desires are based on just that, thought and desire. Your hopes for a Destoroyah creature are clouding your judgement and you are not actually basing your arguments on facts despite your attempts at logically creating an argument to support your desire.

There are several major problems with your theory: One is that a microrganism is not the only possiblilty. Two is that a microrganism is ungodly small (bacteria) and is not a good source for monster creation. Three is that there was never mention of micro-organisms and the idea that M.U.T.O has been scientifically creating or engineering mosnters has not been confirmed. Four is that Destoroyah didn't feed on Godzilla's radiation, and thus his form and life style serves no purpose in such a radiation leeching theory. Five is that Destoroyah was identified as a type of microcrustacean, of which there never was any such creature.

You are not the first to project your desires onto the information that Legendary has allowed to leak to the net about the movie, but as with all of them you are misinterpreting the information and projecting your own thoughts and desires into it which doesn't work and doesn't make it true or viable as an argument.

I'm as interested as the next guy about the new Muto mosnters, but please, stop trying to force the Destoroyah issue. Just like the Rodan rumor, it's only a rumor that was already proven false by Gareth Edwards directly when he said out loud for an interview that all of the Muto monsters were original creations and drew inspiration from outside movies beyond Toho such as Starship Troopers and other monster movies.

Destoroyah is not in this film, nor will anything that remotely takes after its form/lifestyle. It's just a baseless rumor/wishful thinking, and despite your best efforts it has done you no good. Please drop it and leave it alone. You're not the first to present the Destoroyah theory and just as it always has been before your post, it is nothing but a false hope that will not come to pass. So please just dorp it and leave it alone. This topic has been done to death just as badly as the "How will it end?" debate, and it needs to stop.

Destoroyah is not going to be in this movie, nor will the Muto creatures take after it just because it seems like a few "facts" make it sound possible.

Okay, venting over.

I think it could be a radioactive dino because it says it was around the same time as godzilla and godzilla was a Dino befor the nuke

@ TWGFan2014

Glad that you vented out your frustrations by taking the time to express your thoughts, which is what a forum is about isn't it? - where active discussions and meaningful debates or exchange of opinions take place. :)

But I would like to correct you on a few things you mentioned about my posts.

Point #1: There is nowhere in my posts where I have ever stated that Destroyah would make an appearance in Godzilla 2014 if you have actually read my posts in detail. When I made my assessment of Godzilla 2014's storyline, I inferred to the appearances of the Muto Toys that were leaked, (flying muto and 8-legged muto) which bored similar traits, which led me to speculate that Godzilla would be facing off an enemy that is possibly capable of transforming / evolving itself into different forms. The ability to adopt different forms in its confrontation with Godzilla, bears similarity to Destroyah's storyline which also involved several transformations (spider-like and winged form factor) and even the detonation of the device called the Oxygen Destroyer in 1954 (because Japan in real-life is prohibited from having nukes btw), which in the US version of Godzilla 2014's story involved nukes being used instead in 1954. These coincidences, led me to theorize that Godzilla in this movie, appears to be dealing with an enemy similar to Destroyah, and I repeat again, I have never once stated that the monster is going to be Destroyah. So you may want to get your assumptions corrected. :)

Point #2: I quote, from what you wrote above: 'Two is that a microrganism is ungodly small (bacteria) and is not a good source for monster creation. Three is that there was never mention of micro-organisms and the idea that M.U.T.O has been scientifically creating or engineering mosnters has not been confirmed. Five is that Destoroyah was identified as a type of microcrustacean, of which there never was any such creature. ' - *Ahem*  It appears that when you wrote the above excerpts, you must be too blinded by the awesomeness of watching too many Godzilla movies that you would readily deny the existence of anything microscopic in size capable of challenging Godzilla because you simply refuse to accept their existence just because you think they are not awesome enough? Have you forgotten that Destroyah itself evolved from a microscopic form? Have you also forgotten how Biollante was first created from a microscopic cell in a lab? And you said that is never such a thing as a micro-crustacean. *Cough cough* Are you sure about that? You might want to get your facts or assumptions right again btw. And if you say that Godzilla 2014 has never mentioned the existence of a microscopic organism, I don't think director Gareth Edwards is supposed to tell you that's the case, or if MUTOs were outrightly created by humans through experiments, because if he were to tell you that, he might as well cut the chase and deny people the suspense and tell you the entire story now isn't it? LMAO. 

#Point 3: There are things in the movie people like you can try to deny, but some hints are just too strong that it need only require common sense to know what is going on. MUTO itself is a research organization, the producers do not stick a label onto a monster and call it 8-legged MUTO or Winged MUTO for nothing, with the header 'malevolent creatures, bolstered by human's scientific arrogance'. If that hint is not strong enough, we have Godzilla's official trailer with Ken Wantanabe narrating 'the arrogance of humans thinking nature is in our control, and not the other way round', followed immediately by a MUTO's claw crushing down on the streets. 

You said that I am projecting my thoughts, and opinions by saying that its not a viable argument, but at the same time aren't you too guilty of projecting your thoughts and expecting me to adhere to your opinions here? You also failed to provide a basis for rebutting my claims other than saying Destroyah would not be in the film, and blindly denying the existence of everything else not considered awesome to you, like how a Godzilla fanboy would argue. (Which I already clarified and corrected you that Destroyah is 100% not going to appear in Godzilla 2014 but the storyline bores similarities to such a creature with the same abilities).

My advice is simple, if you don't like what you see, just ignore the thread and move on instead of outrightly stating that threads like this should die down simply because they don't coincide with what you think or feature content which you dislike, it defeats the purpose of having a forum for discussion isn't it? We might as well stop discussing and sharing information now and wait till May 16 to catch the movie then. 

Update: While we are still unclear of the exact storyline and everyone is coming up with their theories on the origins of the MUTOs etc, it seems more hints have been outed by Gareth Edwards in his interview with Verge.

I understand that while there were people who find my theory on the MUTOs and Godzilla plausible, there were others who dismissed it altogether, especially on the part where I said Godzilla may have been leeched on by a micro-organism in the ocean which was later on mutated by cross-experiments by scientists on land which went out of control.

In the interview, G Edwards talked about the design of the MUTO monsters, where he said they were designed in such a way that when people looked at them, they could see that it was ' evolved from the same organism'. 

Some people have far, far too much time on their hands.

The fact that some people actually hang around these threads implies the same for them too. :)

One thing some people can be assured of, is when what I stated turns out to be spot-on, some people are gonna get castigated. I'll remember to ;)