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riggzamortis86Godzilla ForumFAVORITE TOHO ALIEN RACE

IF there is any I forgot, let me know.

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ChrisGodzilla 2: King of the Monsters ForumSome apparent Godzilla 2 news.

It does seem to have flown by. I'm also surprised how tightly knit they kept production. Very little actually got out.

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riggzamortis86Godzilla Minus Zero NewsAwesome Godzilla 2 Monsterverse Ghidorah, Mothra, Rodan and Varan fan art!

^The word on the street is that is supposed to be Gigan. I kind of get in in the Monsterverse, he kinda looks like a MUTO so I get it. This artist has a pretty cool idea for him.

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The Legend of Brian Godzilla 2: King of the Monsters ForumSome apparent Godzilla 2 news.

That seemed awfully fast. I mean 70ish days sounds about right, but it felt really quick. Here's to post-production going equally as fast and smoothly.

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riggzamortis86Godzilla 2: King of the Monsters ForumSome apparent Godzilla 2 news.

I have just watched Trick R Treat and Krampus over the weekend as a fun movie in the yard with friends night.

After watching the 2 films by Dougherty, I can say the man knows how to hold off suspense and then unleash it like a fiery storm! Trick R Treat has so many characters in it and it always keeps you interested. Krampus also has a pretty large cast and every character keeps you interested. I feel Dougherty will keep us on edge with Godzilla 2. He has the characters, the monsters, the world as a pallet for storyline.  honestly, he has soo much more to work with than Edwards did, so it only leaves me to feel that this Godzilla movie will be better than the last(2014). This should be the "Best Godzilla Made In America", that title should stick. Dougherty has it in the bag.

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WillnotbenamedGodzilla 2: King of the Monsters ForumSome apparent Godzilla 2 news.

G. H. (Gman),

So in a typical film, what is the typical time gape between the full on promotional campaign and when the film finishes filming?

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G. H. (Gman)Godzilla 2: King of the Monsters ForumSome apparent Godzilla 2 news.

Well aware, just have yet to report it. Thanks for the heads up though!

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riggzamortis86Godzilla Minus Zero NewsThe Godzilla Store Opens Soon in Japan!

My company has its head quarters based in Japan and they offer a "work exchange" program for a month there. I think I want to do that even more now!

it looks like the store is haunted by ghost shoppers. haha!

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riggzamortis86Kong: Skull IslandKong: Skull Island almost featured a trippy LSD dream sequence!

^It would have been an interesting way to introduce the sequel, you know? Just imagine it, while tripping on the Iwi concoction, one of the soldiers see's the Hiroshima bomb go off, the blast rushes through him showing a giant shadow behind the the mushroom cloud, the shadows tail circles around him and a blue light begins to blind him. Then he sees himself being held in a giant hand (kongs hand), it rushes up into the clouds where it reveals a city(lets say for fun, NYC) with lights and fire seeping out of the foreground. He hears roars emitting around him as the giant hand shakes and rumbles underneath him. Kongs hand begins to turn to dust and peoples terrified faces begin to take form out of the ash. People screaming and crying in horror as two giant shadows fight each other.

That would be my way to do it. But the after credit scene does a great job of giving everybody a taste of whats to come as well. Still love that ending.

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TheGMan123Kong: Skull IslandKong: Skull Island almost featured a trippy LSD dream sequence!

In the Skull Island: Birth of Kong comic series, the Iwi have a concoction that they take that allows them to see the past and future, which is how our protagonists can see Kong's and Skull Island's past with the rest of his species and the war on the Skullcrawlers.

It's possible that this was even alluded to in the film proper when Hank Marlow says the Iwi told him that the survey crew was coming and that he didn't believe them at first. Given the fact that a perpetual storm surrounds Skull Island, I'm inclined to take that "seeing into the past and future" drug as the explanation.

It also neatly adds to the "maybe magic, maybe mundane" mysticism introduced in this film with the Iwi.

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The Jurassic BootlegGodzilla 2: King of the Monsters ForumSkull Island's After Credits Scene May Have Disproved a Major Ghidorah Theory

As much as I liked the old design of Ghidorah but Ghidorah's upright and long neck appearance made him looked kind of top heavy to balance himself(or themeselves?) in the ground.

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The King of the MonstersGodzilla ForumTHIS MONTH IN GODZILLA HISTORY(SEPTEMBER)

That is true, Higuchi was an uncredited "creature unit assistant" on The Return of Godzilla. He assisted the creators of the 84Goji suit, helped Kenpachiro Satsuma in and out of the suit, and swung Godzilla's tail. He didn't actually get the opportunity to work alongside Teruyoshi Nakano on that film, but the two of them did collaborate on a theme park a few years later.

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G. H. (Gman)Godzilla ForumTHIS MONTH IN GODZILLA HISTORY(SEPTEMBER)

Yes, I believe he was not credited for his work on Return.

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TheGMan123Godzilla 2: King of the Monsters ForumSkull Island's After Credits Scene May Have Disproved a Major Ghidorah Theory

Not to mention that his necks would have to angle upwards awkwardly from a quadrupedal position. By being bipedal as he usually has been, his necks are angled vertically and display his fearsome and imposing size MUCH better.

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riggzamortis86Godzilla 2: King of the Monsters ForumSkull Island's After Credits Scene May Have Disproved a Major Ghidorah Theory

I don't know. "IF" they keep with this design, which I think is more classic, he would look really weird walking around on his wings.

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riggzamortis86Godzilla ForumTHIS MONTH IN GODZILLA HISTORY(SEPTEMBER)

that's cool! I didn't realize he worked on Return and Shin. 2 of my favorite G films.

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riggzamortis86Godzilla Minus Zero NewsAwesome Godzilla 2 Monsterverse Ghidorah, Mothra, Rodan and Varan fan art!

I love the dorsal fins on Godzilla, that's what I would like to see in KOTM. If mothra stood up like that, I could get used to that. not a bad idea. Rodan stands upright often times. Mothra has a huge disadvantage when she lands on the ground. her whole back side is exposed to other monsters crushing her and she cant even see it. this would be pretty cool.

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riggzamortis86Godzilla Minus Zero NewsBREAKING: First look at Godzilla from Godzilla 2: King of the Monsters!

There is still a lot of time in post production to tweak everything about Godzilla's design. I do hope they change his dorsal fins tho. Make those babies bigger! This is nothing to put a bet on.

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G. H. (Gman)Godzilla ForumDifferent versions and looks of Godzilla

The King of the Monsters,
That is jarring. Reminds me of the head changes to the MusukoGoji. I've been unable to find any sources confirming whether or not an entirely different suit was built or if the head was merely adjusted during production. Still, it's pretty obvious there's a different head used in the movie depending on the scene:

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Sci-Fi King25Godzilla ForumDifferent versions and looks of Godzilla

Haven't seen this topic in a few years Currently, my favorite suit is KiryuGoji.

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JurassicNightGodzilla ForumDifferent versions and looks of Godzilla

I love a lot of em, but my favorite goes to the 1964 design. Can't get enough of that one

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The King of the MonstersGodzilla ForumDifferent versions and looks of Godzilla

I forget the original source my fellow editors on Wikizilla found for the existence of the replica head (I'll have to do some digging and see if I can find it again), but one of them did capture a fantastic side-by-side comparison of the heads. It's especially jarring if you're looking for it, because the heads can seemingly change from shot to shot later in the film.

Honestly, I've also considered the possibility that it was given an entirely different head in Son of Godzilla that looks more like the MusukoGoji. I have no proof of this, but I feel the head in this shot looks noticeably different from both the original DaisensoGoji head and the supposed replica:

I too have always been curious about what intentional alterations were made to the SoshingekiGoji. Obviously there is some very visible wear-and-tear by Godzilla vs. Gigan, but the only major change I've ever been able to nail down is the positioning of the eyes in Godzilla vs. Hedorah. In the other films, the eyes face forward, but in Godzilla vs. Hedorah the pupils are further back and seem to face sideways. This seems to have been reversed by Godzilla vs. Gigan.

I can't really nail down any other changes, but I feel like maybe the forehead/brow area was adjusted.

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G. H. (Gman)Godzilla ForumTHIS MONTH IN GODZILLA HISTORY(SEPTEMBER)

Yesterday was Shinji Higuchi's Birthday! He's 52.

Higuchi worked as a special effects assistant on The Return of Godzilla in 1984. Later he worked with his friend Hideaki Anno as a storyboard artist at the animation company Gainax--There he helped produce Neon Genesis Evangelion.

He would later team up with director Shusuke Kaneko to direct the special effects for the groundbreaking Gamera trilogy in the mid-to-late 1990s. After that he produced the series MM9 (Monster Magnitude 9) and went on to direct his own movies such as The Sinking of Japan.

In 2015 he released his live action Attack on Titan films for Toho. He then teamed up with his old friend Hideaki Anno to co-direct 2016's Shin Godzilla, which earned both him and Anno a Japanese Academy Award for Directing.

Happy Birthday Shinji Higuchi!

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G. H. (Gman)Godzilla ForumDifferent versions and looks of Godzilla

^Fantastic add-on. I anticipated you'd hit some of the Showa suits I missed--Specifically the DaisensoGoji. Although I knew the head was used for Jirass in Ultraman, I was unaware it forced Toho to create a replica. That explains a great deal, however. The suit looks fine early in the movie and I had merely assumed wear-and-tear had caught up with the head toward the end. A different head on the suit makes a lot of sense. Where did you find that one out?

And I know the SoshingekiGoji received minor alterations, but they're hard to pin. I've always hoped for some official explanation on the adjustments that suit went through.

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godzilla3580Godzilla Minus Zero NewsAwesome Godzilla 2 Monsterverse Ghidorah, Mothra, Rodan and Varan fan art!

Tbh, I'm not really a fan of this Ghidorah design, I'd be kind of disappointed if this is what it looked like in the movie. Guess I'm just a sucker for the classic triangle scales and the flashy crests on the heads.

I love the mothra design tho! A much more fitting Mothra for the Monsterverse than the classic one, in my opinion.

Can't say much about the Rodan design unless I saw it with the wings unfolded.

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RR44Godzilla Minus Zero NewsAwesome Godzilla 2 Monsterverse Ghidorah, Mothra, Rodan and Varan fan art!

That incarnation of Mothra.. looks pretty rad.. cannot say that I don't like it.. but given the first MUTO's overall design.. insect like.. it would be a refreshing take on Mothra... the same with Gigan.. almost insect like with a dash of reptile.. not too shabby. After all... Godzilla in the old days.. contended with various insect kaiju.. Kumonga..Kamacuras.. Megalon...Megaguirus... Battra... Mothra... so a new version of Mothra would be cool.. and in my opinion.. that design could work.. for it is a kaiju and there is nothing normal about kaiju.

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The King of the MonstersGodzilla ForumDifferent versions and looks of Godzilla

^ Excellent insight into the hows and whys of the design changes throughout the films. That actually explains quite a bit.

Directed toward the original question, it was relatively rare for a suit in the earlier part of the Showa series to receive primary use in multiple films, so usually every major design shift signified a new suit. MosuGoji was used for both Mothra vs. Godzilla and Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster, but its head was replaced between films. The DaisensoGoji suit was used in Invasion of Astro-Monster and Ebirah, Horror of the Deep, but since its head was on loan to Tsuburaya Productions for use as the monster Jirass in Ultraman, Toho had to construct an imperfect replica of its head to film many scenes in its second film appearance. The original DaisensoGoji head is still used in Ebirah, but the lower-quality replica head gets a fair deal of screentime too. I think the replica head is still on the DaisensoGoji for its use as the "stunt suit" in Son of Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Hedorah. SoshingekiGoji was used for four films with minimal alteration, but it's always stuck out to me how its eyes seem to face sideways in Godzilla vs. Hedorah specifically. The MegaroGoji suit, depicted in the diagram Gman posted, had its head changed between films, and is otherwise the same suit. It was also the suit used in Zone Fighter, and looks mostly identical to how it did in Godzilla vs. Megalon.

That's just the best description of suit alterations in the Showa era I can come up with. Gman perfectly analyzed the suit changes throughout the Heisei and Millennium eras. 

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KoldWarKid62Godzilla Minus Zero NewsBREAKING: First look at Godzilla from Godzilla 2: King of the Monsters!

Not putting much stock in this at all, since it just seems to be as a point of reference, and it's still early in the process. I'm hoping Dougherty does make some tweaks to the design (I think he will). 2014's was Edwards' baby; this is Dougherty's. Although I liked it overall, I certainly would have altered some things; it needed some work.

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TheGMan123Godzilla Minus Zero NewsBREAKING: First look at Godzilla from Godzilla 2: King of the Monsters!

I'm comparing this image to stills from the movie, and honestly..... Not a lot that's drastically different. Even the things people are pointing out here aren't really changed as far as I can tell. Maybe slight adjustments, but more akin to the natural changing look of an actor than a complete makeover.

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GGGodzilla Minus Zero NewsBREAKING: First look at Godzilla from Godzilla 2: King of the Monsters!

Somehow they 1-Upped G14's look, and this isn't even finished.

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The Jurassic BootlegGodzilla 2: King of the Monsters ForumSkull Island's After Credits Scene May Have Disproved a Major Ghidorah Theory

I think Legendary are probably going to try to find the right balance between old and pteronodon/bat/quadruped wyvern esque.

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G. H. (Gman)Godzilla ForumDifferent versions and looks of Godzilla

TheGMan123,
A lot of what your asking depends on the suit. August Ragone has explained that one of the reasons so many Godzilla suits in the Showa era had wildly different designs was because Eiji Tsuburaya liked to change things up. He was never married to one design. (His death in 1970 may explain why the 1968 SoshingekiGoji suit was used until it was literally falling apart in 1972. Had he lived longer, I think it likely he would've shelved it earlier.)

But there's also the fact that the Showa series suits, built by Teizo Toshimitsu and Nobuyuki Yasumaru, did not use molds. So they couldn't recreate the same exact design even if they tried. They didn't have molds to save the individual designs.

This doesn't mean some suits weren't updated. For example, the head of 1973's MegaroGoji suit was tweaked once for Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla and then again in Terror of MechaGodzilla. Although it's the same suit, it was adjusted for the more serious atmosphere of Megalon's follow-ups:

Now when the Heisei series came along, molds started being used by the new suit maker Tomomi Kobayashi. Although the Heisei movies had five different suits (two of which were heavily updated) the design remained more consistent due to the use of molds.

Additionally, Koichi Kawakita was less interested in playing with Godzilla's design. (Obviously Godzilla's look changed between The Return of Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Biollante, but Koichi Kawakita didn't take over the special effects for the series until the latter film.) According to Ed Godziszewski, "This was his [Kawakita's] Godzilla. So he wanted to keep the basic design the same."

As a result of the more consistent design, the 1989 BioGoji was updated into the 1991 GhidoGoji (and also used for half of 1992's Godzilla vs. Mothra). The 1992 BatoGoji was built from scratch and later used for the battle against Rodan in Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II. And of course the 1993 RadoGoji suit was also built from the ground up. (The upper half of the RadoGoji was later updated into a version of the DesuGoji used for water scenes only.)

The 1994 MogeGoji was the last suit built from scratch in the Heisei series. It was later heavily updated into the DesuGoji for Godzilla vs. Destoroyah. The crew for these movies would decide whether or not they should build a new suit depending on animatronic advancements/innovations or simply if the current suit was too worn to be used for the entire production.

All of these suits were completed from molds, but because new mechanical components within the latter suits needed more space it would inadvertently change the design's shape. One excellent comparison is when you look at the profile of the 1989 suit with the 1993 costume. Same design, same molds, different suit with different mechanical components inside:

There were some adjustments made on purpose--Such as the eye color, the ribbed neck or a different combination of dorsal plates. Otherwise the pieces were largely the same.

The Millennium series made a more conscious effort to change Godzilla's look since it was an anthology series. By that time Shinichi Wakasa, who was responsible for Rodan (93), MechaGodzilla (93), SpaceGodzilla and Destoroyah suits/puppets, was building Godzilla. (With the exception of GMK.) Molds were used for almost every suit sans the Final Wars costume which he claims to have "sculpted" himself.

I've heard an entirely new costume was made for Megaguirus, despite how new the suit was in Godzilla 2000. I'm not sure I believe that, but it's possible since the molds were available. Obviously the '02 and '03 costumes were new suits, but the bodies were made from molds of the '99/'00 costumes.

It's also worth noting that new suits would often not be used for water sequences in the Showa series. Water ruined these costumes which is why the 1965 suit was used for water sequences in Son of Godzilla, Destroy All Monsters and Godzilla vs. Hedorah--Yet when Godzilla came on land it was a different suit. After the 1965 suit was doused in sludge by Hedorah, the 1967 Son of Godzilla costume was used for Godzilla vs. Gigan's swimming shots. Promotional suits, not built to be used onscreen, would take over this task in the MechaGodzilla movies.

In the latter two series a secondary water suit, much closer to the dry land costumes, would be built specifically for shots in the big pool. The Heisei series had it easy--Sometimes they would just use "dry land" costumes from the prior film if they had a new suit for the current production.

Hopefully that gives you some idea as to how they did things.

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