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I am fine with CGI if it looks good but if things are all lined up with practical effects and tossed away for "this is the next big trend", it doesn't work very well. I guess I should go geeze.
I only own Zilla 14. But I have Hulu plus. Thanks for the info!
Dragon King Ultrazero80,
Yes, they made two Yonggary suits and one for Cyker.
dk,
It's the quick shift of CG as a filmmaking tool to a marketing tool. And it's only gotten worse.
G. H. (Gman) That worked out just great when they did The Thing based on Carpenter's early 80s film lol!
^Essentially. They thought they could break into the international market if they replaced the suits with CG.
Those suits look great. I wonder if they went with CGI because they thought it was the best new thing.
To give you an idea of how great the suits looked before they replaced them with terrible CGI, here's a picture.
Good stuff- that pic is adorable!
^Ironically, both I've been without for a long time and am taking advantage of this weekend on the beach.
@dk Some epsiodes actually give you the episode entry. But there are multiple sites that give you the full episode list with names of the movies and what channels they were on and there is a MST3K episode guide book created from the original cast themselves, although it only goes up to season 7. I like the way the box sets are set up for the most part. Each one has multiple epsiodes from different seasons. Its great when you love both Joel and Mike as the main characters.
yes you are right with the DVD special feature on Merlins Shop Of Mystical Wonders. Kevin and Mike go into detail on how the show is written. Great episode, cant believe it was supposed to be a kids movie!
riggzamortis86 Ha- I know that intro! I have several seasons and shorts but it gets hard to track the chronology- they (Mike and Kevin) actually talked about that very thing in the extras in Merlyn's Magical Shop of Wonders (I think it is called).
One of the major reasons I was a MST3K fan was because of season 2's open theme song where you see Godzilla riding his tail from Godzilla vs Megalon. I waited every week to hopefully see that episode. It wasn't until the episode went out on DVD that I finally got a chance to see it! But along the way I fell in love with that show.
riggzamortis86 Agree. The cast definitely does their homework and research for each movie. They do come off as labors of love.
G. H. (Gman) That is a nice looking updated picture of Yongary.
ok, you know what!? your grounded, no Nintendo for a week!
haha, this is rare for you Gman, you should just take a nap and take a vacation.
I'm going to have to wear a bag on my head for this one, but Nakano's birthday is actually Monday the 9th. Oh well. He's worth celebrating throughout the weekend. Love this guy.
im not a minecraft guy whatsoever but if theres a game with Godzilla on it im in!
At the very least, the evolutionary paths taken by the species you've highlighted would probably be similar to that of Godzilla's species.
It's possible that the latent radiation of the era influenced a similar line of creatures, exponentially increasing their size and granting them new biologically anomalous abilities with each successive generation, much faster than non-radioactively-influenced evolution.
Godzilla's certainly no dinosaur, nor is he a crocodilian either. Amphibian-reptilian "missing links" could be the key, as certain amphibian species are known to retain their gills even into mature adulthood, and as this analysis highlights, the predecessors to the archosaur line did indeed develop scale patterning that would come to be recognizable among crocodilians.
As impressive and informative as this all is, I was under the impression Godzilla was older than when these creatures walked on land. Am I wrong here? How long would have taken any of these species to evolve into Godzilla? Just asking. This is very interesting.
Happy Birthday! Mine would hafta be The Return Of Godzilla. That movie made me a Godzilla fan!
well now I cant trust you with anything! your credibility just went out the window. haha no problem Gman ill correct it.
Into exile I go!
I told you incorrectly on Nakano's birthday. It's actually the 5th.
The MST3K entries on any kaiju film are great. If anybody didn't know they did over several giant monster and Japanese sci-fi movies. Heres to name them and in there series entries of MST3K.
The KTMA series was just on a local UHF cable station. None of these aired on Comedy Central or Sci-Fi channel in the 90's so I wont include them.
212 Godzilla vs Megalon
213 Godzilla vs The Sea Monster
302 Gamera
304 Gamera vs Barugon
306 Time of the Apes
308 Gamer vs Gaos
310 Fugitive Alien
312 Gamera vs Guiron
314 Mighty Jack
316 Gamera vs Zigra
318 Star Force-Fugative Alien 2
816 Space Prince
819 Invasion of the Neptune Men
909 Gorgo
Then of course theres 111 Reptilicus which is a giant monster movie
Then Yongary. But one must mention that even though these comedians riff harshly on these movies, they do it with love. They have the Gamera episodes on a box set and the special features have great insight on the movies that come from japan. I recommend these episodes to any kaiju fan with a sense of humor.
THIS IS AN INCOMPLETE POST, AND I WILL UPLOAD A MORE PROPER VERSION SOON ENOUGH.
dk,
If it improves on the original, I think any remake could be solid. That's not the case here.
The remake was the most expensive South Korean production at the time. It was an odd technique--They built suits and miniatures for the production, but completely overlaid and replaced the suits with some of the worst, full CGI monsters ever put to film. (Which is a shame, because the suits were really good looking...) Below is one of the better shots of the CG Yonggary:
The movie is considered something of a joke in its home country. I would say the remake is much worse than the original based on the fact it feels like a SyFy TV movie. As awful as the original film is, at least it felt like a theatrical motion picture of the time period.
dk- I haven't seen the remake in full, but from what I've seen, it's REALLY BAD.
Are the remakes of a crummy movie any good? I like the spirit of the original and it was enjoyable with the MST3K treatment- but is the remake just another Godzilla movie or something different?
Happy Birthday! My favorite would be Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla.
Gman- I actually knew that there were two versions. I wish that someday we get to see the original version.
Dragon King Ultrazero80,
There's actually two very different versions of the remake. There's the 1999 version, Yonggary, which has never been released on home video, even in South Korea. And then there's the 2001 "upgrade edition" which re-shot over 60% of the movie with an altered story line (aliens, putting Yonggary in a heroic role) and new effects sequences. Yonggary: 2001 Upgrade Edition was released on home video in the US as Reptilian.
Dragon King Ultrazero80 I was unaware of a remake until now. I think the movie should have ended with the kid and monster dancing together- kind of a Puff the Magic Dragon kind of thing perhaps.
G. H. (Gman) Interestingly, many of the details you mention are also acknowledged in the MST3K cut.
dk- Did you know that there's a remake of this movie?
The Korean version got lost when Keukdong sent the original materials of the film to AIP--They had no experience in distribution and clearly didn't expect the original materials to get butchered by AIP for the American cut.
All prints of the original version have since been lost and now AIP's version is all that's left.
Indeed it somehow seemed to get "lost". I would encourage watching the MST3K cut- they make awful movies fun to watch. Yongury is a cut above the rest imo.
I own the Blu-ray of the American cut of the film (which is now, unfortunately and tragically, the only cut left in existence) but never watched the MST3K riff. I know it was part of the new season though. The movie is awful, so it's right at home on MST3K.
I can't imagine Toho would let the MonsterVerse go on while still letting the agreement dictate they can't produce their own live-action films in the same time frame. I'm sure that part of the contract would have to be renegotiated.
@riggzamortis If Legendary lost the rights to Godzilla, they in all likelihood wouldn't be able to use Mothra, Rodan or King Ghidorah either. Their rights to the entire franchise will have lapsed. Toho sells the rights to their monsters separately, but a company needs to acquire the license to Godzilla first before they can purchase any of the other monsters. If Legendary wanted to continue the MonsterVerse without Godzilla, I suppose they could keep using Kong, but I have to think there was some kind of under-the-table agreement between Legendary and Universal allowing Kong to be used in the MonsterVerse.
Another issue is the fact that Legendary's current distribution deal is with Universal, while the MonsterVerse is a collaboration between Legendary and Warner Bros. simply out of necessity. WB has the rights to Godzilla and Universal does not, so Legendary needs to keep the films with them. I see the MonsterVerse as a temporary arrangement between the studios that was only intended to last long enough to complete the contract the studios signed with Toho. If Legendary does renegotiate with Toho, I could foresee Universal taking Warner Bros.' place in the arrangement potentially.
