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Sorry but I have to disagree with you npinkham. I think the hesei series is the best and strongest. Sure it had its ups and downs but I personally think it is way better than the Showa and Milenium series and to me, the Hesei series had the strongest stroylines too. Godzilla vs King Ghidorah and Godzilla vs Destroyah are my absolute favourites in the Hesei series and Godzilla's revenge is one of the worst movie I have ever seen in my life so I would have to say that Godzilla film is the worst. Everyone has their opinion and I respect you opinion.

Biollante would annihilate Orga. Even if he has more mobility and a healing factor biollante still comes out on top. 

First her vines can pierce right through him as they did Godzilla, can't heal when something is inside blocking the cells from recovering. Then each of the vines that has heads also has the acid spit so multiple shots from every angle. Biollante heals just as well, is unkillable for as long as she wants to keep coming back, and Orga completely relies on how much of Godzilla he absorbed. Seeing as Biollante took on the real thing and did very well I doubt a weaker imitation could take her out.

I hope we aren't using Unleashed's termonology as canon now... 

Rodan is my favorite monster of all time in the series so gonna go with him.

Really you think heisei is the worst. I love that series, but I admit it has faults, but really the worst? 

Sure the showa series started out strong, but then at the middle it completely collapsed. Sure it had a strong ending with the MechaGodzilla movies, but Godzilla vs Hedorah, Megalon, Gigan, Godzilla's revenge, and Son of Godzilla take down all the amazing things about the eary enstallments and makes the series less well done as a whole.

Then there's the Millennium series. Even if the later showa didn't ruin that series for you and you still consider it the best of them all you'd put the millennium above heisei? Sorry that's something I really don't understand. First we have the first movie which was decent, one of the stronger entries in that series it was followed by Megaguirus which I've never heard any1 say anything about that movies that puts it above the lower level of Godzilla movies overall. Followed by GMK which most people like so can't really comment too much on it. Then there's the 2 mechaG movies which are a mixed bag, but by no means great, followed by Final Wars which there's about a 50/50 chance of either loving or hating it. Overall even if the showa series comes first I see no way the the Millennium series overall is better than heisei.

Son of Godzilla and Godzilla vs the Sea Monster are the worst suits in my opinion.

That's cool and I reckon the flying MUTO will look very similar to that one.

Baragon.

i like him because of his design and his ability of burrowing

Interesting comment about the difference between a kaiju film and a film with kaiju in it. In that case, what makes a kaiju a kaiju? And if a film doesn't necessarily have to be of the kaiju genre to star a kaiju, then there must be a strict definition, must there not?

I think it is important to look into, find lines and define becuase the tokusatsu genre is dying. With Super Sentai, Kamen Rider and Ultraman (which is practically on life support) being the reminants of a style/genre that brought Japanese cinema back from the brink, I feel like the definition of this style will be lost in time and harder to define in the future.

Just because it's dying doesn't mean it has to fade into obscurity and finding more strict definitions can help perserve it in film history.

I'm not sure there needs to be a line honestly.

I think its possible for something to be a kaiju film and something else to be a film with kaiju in it-- if we are speaking about subgenres and such.

Either way, the kaiju subgenre of tokusatsu is sadly pretty sparce and almost dead (Stave for the obligatory Ultraman blurb to pop up occassionally, though I'd consider Ultraman to be a part of the 'giant hero' genre more than the kaiju genre, but that is  just me).

I think at the end of the day, its all pretty subjective. 

In a more literal sense "kaiju" could be used to describe anything from Frankenstien's monster to Gorgo. But if we're speaking on a level of word choices and references used to label specifics, kaiju does directly refer to Japanese monsters alone. Pacific Rim is tricky because of the script's diction. It directly uses the word "kaiju" as if it's an english term, much in the way the fandom uses it. I'm hesitant to give it a pass simply because it's an homage to tokusatsu, but the fact is the monsters are both called and promoted as "kaiju" so it's hard to get around.

The question is do movies like Yonggary and Gorgo get the pass since they're very, very clearly inspired by the kaiju genre and tokustatsu. Those movies aren't from Japan, yet they wouldn't exist without tokusatsu and daikaiju eiga. I'm fairly lenient about that kind of thing myself, yet it's an interesting question to consider. Tokusatsu isn't specifically a genre, but there needs to be some clear classification as to what these movies are and where they come from.

Kaiju, on the other hand, is often considered a subgenre-- Specifically Japanese movies about giant creatures attacking cities and engaging in battle with others. So where do we draw the line?

No film historian has cleared that up and I've spent the better part of the last year researching an answer. It's not exactly easy.

orga 

if he gets in the vines he can stun biollante with that green ball or just shoot his beam or just smack the vines with his strenght and if he gets up close he culd just rip her apart like a weed orga might have a thought time with the acid spray and biollantes mouth but i think orga

 Oh, and inb4 the "fake" comments, Yeah I grabbed this from wiki, but this isn't the only thing that states it's a reboot. I'm just too tired to search for it.

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I agree completely, but OP was basically asking for technical explenations, thus I gave one.

Personally I'd say anything about 20ft or so-- as I've heard the word Kaiju used to describe creatures that 'small'-- and I hate using the word small when refering to 20ft monsters.

Either way, I'd say what warrants being a kaiju, from American expectation, is the general japanese spirit behind the monster.

I.E. Pacific Rim's homage to anime and tokusatsu. So it doesn't have to inheretly be Japanese to be a kaiju I guess, but if we are splitting hairs on nerdom termonology, we could be here all night. 

To confirm anyones doubts, Chris was kind enough to inform us that this isn't bullshit, and we will get a new trailer, also the marketing will start up following the trailer, get ready guys! :) T-minus 99 days!

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I'm getting sick of seeing this, this is about the 50th will/how godzilla would die. The director said this may quite possibly be a reboot to a new generation of Godzilla films, with that motive, I highly doubt he'll die.

How do we know there is two?

When it comes to the monsters, there has been so much Bull going around, so called leaked scripts, weird descriptions and fan theories that slowly evolves into so called "facts". It gets confusing as F***, people get tricked (I`ve been tricked once or twice myself) and flame wars rage across the net. Its a true hell.

Enough whinning, sorry.

I believe there is going three them. And i believe that ALL of them are spider/insect-ish creatures. A super big one. A sort of ordinary MUTO, and a a special version of the ordinary one.

The big one would probably be the big gun, the final contender.

Also, KAIJU JIRA@, what monster on building concept?

Probably about the same size as Godzilla.

like the monster that was standing on a building in a concept that one probably.

I think "kaiju" has taken on a specific idea amongst english speaking fans. Just like "tokusatsu" literally means "special technique," but is often translated as "special effects," the word is usually used to refer to a specific [iconic] style of Japanese special effects cinema.

Likewise, "kaiju" is now an encompassing word for the Japanese giant monster. While not literally accurate, it has become the standard to refer to these giant creatures as.

Well not to be a spoilsport, but the Kaiju we commonly know as Kaiju are actually daikaiju.

Kaiju can be just about any size really, though most smaller, more 'realistic' ones are usually refered to as Kaibutsu, humanoid ones are refered to as Kaijin.

But in the end, it still just means mysterious/creature/beast/animal/human/thing.

Every form of Destroyah except for its flying form.

Never have I seen a Mary Sue Monster as bad as destroyah. Looks like a ten year old designed it, specially its earlier stages where its nothing but legs and neck, with probably the goofiest looking head of any monster I've ever seen.

In the Showa series Baragon is only 25 meters.

Yeah, I kind of think the Heisei series was a bit overrated. I loved the start of it with Godzilla 85. Personally, I felt the last three films saved the sereis for me. But my grip was mostly with G vs KG and G vs. M. Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah began very strong and it redefined KG as Godzilla's mortal enemy. But after the first (and fanastic) fight between the two monsters, the film fell apart. Godzilla's rampage after the fight felt like a plot to a totally different Godzilla film. The Mecha King Ghidroah at the end was kind of random. The film should have been called Godzilla vs. Mecha King Ghidroah. Godzilla vs. Mothra is in my opinon the WORST GODZILLA FILM EVER MADE! I'd take Godzilla's revenge any day. It felt like they wrote the script first and added Godzilla in later. In fact, Godzilla takes a back seat to Mothra and Battra. The whole film spent most of it's time defining Battra as the main evil monster. But then all of a sudden, Godzilla shows up and now he is the main threat out of nowhere which lead to the awful and random team up of Mothra and Battra. Don't tell me the whole "well he was always the main threat in the film" crap because that's not what the film was trying to do at first. The SFX in that film were terrible and the Mothra puppets looked silly. The final fight was a total bore and it actually has Godzilla LOSE to two silly puppets. I don't watch a Godzilla film to see him lose in the film I want to see him kick ass which he didn't in this film. I was fine with Godzilla vs. The Thing because that was before he made his anti-hero jump. I will always hate that film, I even tried watching it recently and I still hate it. I think the Heisei films tried too hard to be complex and serious. Some worked like Godzilla 85 and Godzilla vs. Desrotayah. But G vs KG and G vs M failed completely.

Here's which films of the Heisei series I prefer.

Godzilla 1985

Godzilla vs. Destoryah

Godzilla vs. MG 2

Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla (yes I love that one)

Godzilla vs. Biolantte

Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah

Godzilla vs. Mothra (worst Godzilla film ever!!!)

I will always prefer the Showa films because that where Godzilla and all of the Toho monsters made their mark! Plus, they always had simple stories without being too complex. In many ways the Showa series was like a comic book series, it was silly at times but was serious when it had to be.

We do all fanboy/fangirl out for a bit at times when a new trailer comes out but it's what we need in times when the news gets slow to keep interest high.  Yes, predictions can get old and no one gets an awards or makes that person better than the next if they are right.

On the otherhand though it's NEWS and gives us just a little more insight into the movie and creates new threads, discussion, and ideas which is what this sight is based off of and what it thrives on and furthermore that's why we are all here to share a common interest in which we all love.

I like having a small glimmer of hope into knowing possibly when we will see the next trailer which will be out eventually one way or another.  I can't wait for the next trailer and to see how we can disect it after it comes out.

This actually a really cool question.

Now, im not sure if its because my copy of GMK sucks in the subbing department, but in that movie it stated Baragon to be about thirty meters tall. That would make him even smaller than Zilla at 55-60 meters tall. And his length would most likely be 60-70 meters long.

i would say that the son of godzilla suit was the worst.... 

I can understand the complaints against the GMK suit, but I think the positives outweigh the negatives, by far. It's a fantastic design and the animatronics were second to none.

Otherwise I'm really not a fan of any of the Millennium suits. The Godzilla in the Kiryu movies looked better than the Godzilla 2000 suit, but it still suffered from a plastic look to it. Both it and the Final Wars Godzilla also suffer from an oddly curved snout. Sorta looks like Gonzo from the muppets.

I've always felt there are flashes of brilliance in Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II, but nothing that elevates the movie beyond mediocre. It's an improvement over Godzilla and Mothra: The Battle for Earth, but just marginally. I think vs. MechaGodzilla II is the kind of movie made for fans who want less human interaction and more monster action. More than any other Heisei film it lets the monsters take the front seat in regards to story. Not exactly my kind of thing, but I guess the younger fans dig it.

glad to see other people weren't partial to the gmk suit and I didn't even think of the stand in suit for mechagodzilla 74. I also got to mention the kiryu godzilla. Blending classic with the 2000 design was an awesome idea but the suit looked so emotionless to me. Now the 84 Godzilla looked like a zombie too  but that worked to it's advantage, made him really creepy. Ah, lets throw in one more, Godzilla Raids again, pure crap.

Yeah, that is the one really big problem I have with that movie (it's my favorite overall, though), especially because it originaly actually did end with Godzilla killing Destoroyah- in fact, it happened pretty much exactly as you described, with Godzilla holding Destoroyah in his grasp as he started to meltdown- but they decided to change it because they wanted Godzilla to have center stage as he died. You can watch it on Youtube by searching "Godzilla vs Destoroyah alternate ending," it's actually fully edited aside from the SFX. I still can't figure out why they couldn't edit it so that he kills Destoroyah and then has his death scene, so that they could give both Godzilla and Destoroyah a respectful death.

@ Mecha Rodan

Godzilla 2000 and none of the Godzilla's from the Millenium era died. Godzilla 2000 was shown setting fire to Japan after he defeated Orga and the end credits rolled. Godzilla in G x Megaguirus did not die as you heard him roar and the ground shake after the end credits. The Godzilla in Tokyo S.O.S. was badly injured and carried deep into the sea by Kiryu but was not presumed dead. The closest one to actually dying was the GMK Godzilla when he blew up but you still saw his heart beating on the ocean floor which implied a sequel of some sort. I guess you could make a case that the heart could've merged with another life form to become a different monster, but that's another story. And of course Godzilla in Final Wars walked off unscathed.

What is interesting about each Godzilla era is that you never learn what became of the offspring. We never saw Minya from the Showa era grow to adult form and star in a movie or two and Toho never followed through with plans to have Godzilla Junior graduate to his own series of films. It would have been very cool to have Minya in Final Wars grow into another adult Godzilla and fight alongside his father against Kaiser Ghidora and Gigan but that never happened.

We should come up with creative ideas on how Godzilla should die in the new series (not that I want to see that) and then do a poll. That's one thing I haven't seen on this site unless I'm just not seeing it somewhere.  

Can we just stop trying to predict the next trailer already?

It doesn't matter when it comes, the end result is the same. Fanboy/girl screams and a lot of online chatter for about a week before it goes back to the way things were.

"When's the next one?", "When's the next leak?", "Look what I found in the trailer!!", "Do you see what I see in this still image from the trailer?"

It's all going to be the same. So speaking very honestly, can we please just put this to rest already? It doesn't do anyone any good to make these predictions whatsoever.

son of godzilla, most definetly

The first two in the Heisei era, Godzilla 1984 and Godzilla vs. Biollante were great, but Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla was also highly enjoyable. It had a good storyline, a great rematch between Rodan and Godzilla, and what seemed like an unstoppable foe for Godzilla in MG until he was revived by Rodan. I also thought the Rodan and Baby G suits were cool. If I had to rank the Heisei era films, I'd say:

Godzilla 1984

Godzilla vs. Biollante

Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla

Godzilla vs. Destroyah

Godzilla vs. King Ghidora

Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla

Godzilla vs. Mothra

This is literally already being discussed in the original discussion, I don't think a double topic on the matter is really necessary. Gonna lock, and ask that people continue the "Traileron Feb 14th" discussion in the original discussion here. Thanks!

@Mecha Rodan, actually after the first Godzilla died at the hands of Dr. Serizawa and the Oxygen Destroyer, a second Godzilla appeared in Godzilla Raids Again and it was determined that the 2nd Godzilla was of the same species as the first.  As for the continuity in the Showa series, there was none.It was completely ignored until 1984 with The Return of Godzilla which was a direct sequel to the 1954 film.  As for the Heisei series, it's a bit iffy on continuity after Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah becuase they time travel and jump around, ignoring the continuity yet again.  Now, in Godzilla vs. Destoroyah, Godzilla Jr. did not become Godzilla 2000, Jr.'s rebirth was just to symbolize that Godzilla will always be present.  It appears to be unclear where Godzilla 2000 stands in regards to continuity in the series, but with the latter films in the Millennium series, they are all direct sequels to the first film (not including Tokyo S.O.S which was a direct sequel to Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla.)  Final Wars...I'm not even going to begin to try and pinpoint where that fits in to the series, but as for your question as to how this new Godzilla will die?   I'll lev you with a quote from Godzilla 1985, "No matter what happens, Godzilla will live."

Where going to watch it either way.

Don't hate me for this but I hate the 54 original suit with a passion. Love the movie but that suit is horrid. GMK's suit was God awful too. Pot bellied no pupils for the eyes yuck! Son of Godzilla was just a downright ugly suit. Final Wars I dug it a lot except for the ears always hate it when they give him visible ear lobes. Also my all time favorite is the suit used in Destroy All Monsters classic still looks great today in my opinion.