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Yeah I already seen it, pretty feaky. But fricken awesome.
@Danielle
Some folks here are just funny. From the start they descended on this site and forum trying desperately to extract more details and demanding that the producers give us more trailers and info to satisfy them. And when the folks at Legendary decide to release more footage, they are blamed for releasing too much lol. So what do they want really?
As an addition: I should say that I'm trying to sound snobbish or say that original 1954 is the end all and be all of Godzilla movies.
Honestly, as Akagi as said before, Gojira 1954 is a boring movie. I've watched the cheesy 70's Showa films as well as the 1998 American film way more times, and enjoy them more. I will likely enjoy this new 2014 movie more than I do the 1954 film.
The poignancy and relevance of Gojira 1954 has faded. It was a very important film for its time. But it's time has passed.
So when I say that Godzilla 2014 will not be able to go back to the 'roots' of Gojira 1954, I'm not trying to say that it somehow will be a worse or less entertaining movie. I'm just saying that the impact that Godzilla 2014 will have modern audiences will NOT be the same as the impact that Gojira 1954 had on its audience way back when. In that regard, it's impossible for Godzilla 2014 to return to it's 'roots'.
I do appreciate that they returning to the dark, serious tone for this film that is closer to the original 1954 movie. While I would enjoy/go see any Godzilla move that was made, I am happy we are getting one that is more somber than the later Toho movies.
However, there really is no way to replicate the impact and relevance that the 1954 film had during its time.
GMAN/AKAGI have already done a good job summing up Godzilla's cinematic impact. It won the Japanese equivalent of an Oscar for Special Effects, and launched a whole new genre of filmmaking. American films with similar Special Effects impacts would be things like the original Star Wars trilogy, The Matrix, or Avatar. This newest Godzilla movie won't quite revolutionize the industry like that.
But filmmaking aside, it's hard for a 2014 American Godzilla to return to the 'roots' of what the 1954 Japanese Godzilla was politically. 99.9% of the time a movie is just a movie. But for Godzilla, it really was something more. For an era when making movies about Hiroshima and Nagasaki was illegal in Japan, the original Gojira served as a cinematic work around to talk about those events. Godzilla really was 'the bomb' in a very powerful way that few character metaphors have been able to embody before or since.
The imagery and destruction in that movie tried to replicate what many Japanese cities actually looked like after the fire and nuclear bombings, as opposed to later films where the destruction scenes were shot for spectacle, not realism. When the movie was first released, it was so accurate, and stirred up such heavy emotions, that the movie was actually heavily criticized in Japan for trying to 'commodify' WW2. They later warmed up to it, and it was nominated for Best Picture in Japan.
In order for a modern Godzilla movie to even get close to that, you'd have to imagine a world where no movies about 9/11 had been made at all. Then you'd have to have Godzilla knock down the twin towers, and show the towers collapsing downward in the same way they actually fell. And even that wouldn't quite cut it, as 9/11 was a comparably trivial tragedy when compared to the bombings of WW2
Yes, Gareth Edwards is trying to make the tsunamis look 'real' and stuff like that, but it it's ultimately going to fall short of the significance of the 1954 film.
Which is fine. They SHOULDN'T be trying to replicate the significance of that film, as that film is significant specifically because of the massive tragedy that took place before it. We don't have a tragedy on that scale to talk about, and that's a good thing. The 1954 film doesn't have much resonance with modern American audiences because we are so removed from those times and events. But think, would you really WANT to be placed close to the time/location of any real life events similar to those?
Godzilla 2014 is going to be awesome from what I can tell so far. I'm going to love the movie if it plays out like the trailers are portraying. But the movie is ultimately just going to be a piece of entertainment with some political undertones. Rather than the 'therapy for a nation' which the 1954 film was. In that way, I guess I'm glad Godzilla isn't returning to its 'roots'.
Really ? . . .
Wow, that was fantastic! Really great job. I knew most of that, but the factoid about Kim Jong-Il kidnapping a Godzilla director because he's such a big fan? Fantastic!
RF is probably correct.
The fact that he's fighting the MUTO is most likely the surprise.
We've got to keep in mind that there is a difference between what will surprise a casual movie goer and what will surprise a die hard fan that has been following this movie's development closely for several months, if not years.
That's part of the draw back of being a fan, we WILL spoil ourselves a little bit. I'm not saying ALL of the movies secrets have been revealed or deciphered. But there are fewer secrets remaining to us than general audiences.
I believe most of the secrets/surprises revealed at the 20 minute screening were primarily MUTO reveals, and would have been genuinely suprising to the general audience of reporters that were in attendance.
What few surprises remain to us fans (I'm confident some still remain) will probably be minor in nature. I don't anticipate any genuine surprises left for us that will "make the movie 400% more awesome" as some of the reports have put it.
The only funny thought in this thread came from InstinctiveGigan...
@GodzillaTheKing
Universal is re-releasing King Kong vs. Godzilla and King Kong Escapes on Bluray this May. However, neither include the Japanese version. I enjoy the Japanese cut of King Kong vs. Godzilla miles more-- I just recall it being a funnier movie and Ifukube's score for that one is top notch.
@RF
I highly doubt this is the surprise. It takes place after the HALO jump scene I believe.
I prefer not to label fans. All I know is that a Gfan is a person who loves Godzilla or Gamera (hence the "G").
@BIGBADBEN, thank you, I have actually been silently reading forums for a while until I recently made a profile
I thought you were gonna say something worse.
Wow... for the first time in forever I am actually irritated by a stories creepiness... thank you for posting
And you made an entire topic all about it.............nice
So this must be the 400% more awesome surprise from the Halo jump scene that the writers were forbidden to mention. Godzilla is fighting a MUTO.
ok.
I dont see wh you all need to get your panties in a twist it's not like he's actually serious
he's right you all have no sense of humor every time someone posts a movie poster or something , the first thing you guys ever say is how it's ''fake'' or how they need to get their sources right, even if it was cool or not . hes right you all need to loosen up bit
loosen up a lot ,I for one think this thread was hilarious Bravo real slim zilla
I think im the only person who has a sense humor here I have yet to be proven wrong
Looks a bit like Biollante got a say in how Big G looks, but yeah, he probably ate a MUTO and its just now coming back out. xD
Well, you'll find out whether he lives or die in the end soon enough...
Durpoo4-I recalled there was indeed a 98 G fansite before that film was released. Not as sophisticated as fan site goes compare to what we have now of course. But if my (sketchy) memory serves, there weren't that many people there saying how great those characters would be. That might have to do with the marketing I think (or the nature of the characters of the film), fans simply weren't as engaged in the anticipation of the human characters in the 98 movie than this one.
GMAN2887-I heard they are releasing a new blu-ray (or is it DVD) version of G vs KK.
i read this a long time ago its SCARY it prevented me to go to sleep one night and i always wake up at 5:00 or even 4:00 and one thing it already has a sequel!
The submarine shot looks awesome. Although it does look kind of out-of-scale. In case anyone missed it, the article said that shot won't be in the movie, although that submarine scene is still there, albeit shot differently.
i gotta be honest, whenever i knew when the hellbeast was gonna show up, i nearly shat myself! I also love how there are screenshots of the game.
This was awesome! I hope the production art is actually going to be in the film (especially the subamarine). The only thing that gives me a slight worry is when the D.P. said the film was very dark (as in lighting) and very smokey. I'm fine with having some Cloverfield-ish type hiding of the monsters in the beginning but I hope this isn't the case for the whole film.
speaking of trailers, me and my dad just watched the "it can't be stopped" trailer. And on TV too!!! he said it gave him goosebumps!!!!
Hard to say, only time well tell. Good question though.
Probably just edited for the teaser so they wouldn't spoil the MUTO so early. The second scene does look much more polished than the first one.
The Space Oddesy music was only used for the trailers since it captured the right kind of tension and mystery that Legendary was going for.
Alexander Desplat's score is going to be all original as far as we know. It's likely going to be heavily inspired by the original themes, but I doubt they'll use any themes from the Toho series.
If they do borrow any themes, then they'll be sure to remix them to fit in with the music already present in the film. After all, music and score is just as important as the video that it accompanies. The coolest visuals without the right audio is meaningless and has almost no impact to it at all.
To demonstrate, play the extended footage without any audio and see how "cool" it is compared to the video with the audio on.
If the old Godzilla themes don't fit with Desplat's score, then they won't be used.
I have to concur with Akagi. Godzilla's "roots" are rooted in Japanese post-war culture and revitalization perhaps more-so than they are in the themes and tone of the original movie. I love the original movie, and it tends to get better with age, but people forget what it created-- what it did for a country's rebuilding film industry and how it inspired future filmmakers.
I would also be just as excited about this movie if it were a Japanese film made in the traditional tokusatsu style, to be perfectly honest. I'm almost equally, if not more, excited about the new Gamera movie and it will likely use the same style and special effects techniques of prior Godzilla/Gamera films.
I can't wait for the new movie, but lets remember its innovation only goes as far as taking another studio's character and putting it in the standard, Hollywood, blockbuster sandbox. The original Godzilla created an entire sub-genre and style of filmmaking through experimentation. The new movie will be a revitalization of a long franchise at best and a continuation at worst. (Not unlike Godzilla '84 or Godzilla 2000, but this time with westerners in mind.) With that said, one could argue Ultraman Victory has more in common with Godzilla's "roots" than Legendary's Godzilla. (And I'm pretty certain Victory is going to suck. And suck hard...)
Again, I'm stoked about this movie and can't wait to see it. But the idea that this is the be all, end all Godzilla film since the original without even seeing it? Well... I find that hard to buy. But then again I'm also the guy who doesn't give two hamster poops about the Mutos...
What the? What's going on here? It's like the frozen cast works for the mob.
What the hell is 'roots'?
You know, I love the idea of some things going back to their roots, like Alien, I'd like to see them throw out the horde hive bullshit and go back to the one, indestructible monster killing people steathily.
But if Godzilla has roots, its somewhere between Tokusatsu and Fifties monsters-on-the-loose films of the west.
Godzilla was Japan's take on the very popular film archetype of the west. Godzilla was the grandaddy giant monster tokusatsu and one of Toho's springboard films. Without Godzilla tokusatsu probably wouldn't be what it is today.
In other words, Godzilla's roots are in Japanese theater and culture, not in metaphores and melodrama.
Yes I'm looking forward to this film, but I'd be honest, I'd be just as happy, if not happier to see a Japanese director (like Keita Amimiya) doing a Godzilla Tokusatsu film. That is going to seem like a lot to take in for a lot of fans, but its just how I feel.
Because as much as I'd like to think a western director can capture Godzilla's spirit, I'd be very surprised to see that true Japanese heritage bleed through in an American produced Godzilla film.
exactly SMAUG
those eyes..
I cannot imagine anyone that wouldn't be over joyed
