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Without a doubt Godzilla won against Kong

I also think it's an introduction to Ghidorah's movie.

Thanks for the help in interpretation. I could not understand for a long time what this quote could mean too... I remembered this site https://freebooksummary.com/category/the-crucible-quotes, which often helped me understand the meaning of this or that phrase from any work. For example, there I found many quotes from The Crucible, and on the site, I also read their meaning. Try to search there and about Godzilla. Good luck!

Bandai figure based on the 2003 Mothra, I have the same figure.

KaijuFan_6754

its on yt, just scroll through it

"That being said i find it odd that he doesn't use his electric beam at any point during his fight between Godzilla and Jet Jaguar"

Now I have to rewatch this movie. I don't think I've ever noticed this--Granted I don't watch Megalon often.

Given Jet Jaguar made a recent return based on his popularity, and the new Kumonga were designed as an homage to Megalon, I think the chances of the monster's return aren't bad. Although the movie's reevaluation over the years is not one I agree with, the sort of cult status it has within the franchise doesn't seem to be lost on Toho. We'll see Megalon again at some point.

Also, if anybody has seen ape vs monster, tell me who wins, because I'm not willing to spend 2 hours watching a poor mockbuster film unless I'm really wanting to waste time.

SasquaDash valid point there.

KaijuFan_6754

Some of the humans make it out alive, but most of the time they survive by retreating and leaving the islands, which could count as being defeated.

 I personally found him to be rather cool if odd-looking insectoid monster considering that he's a giant drill-handed rhino beetle who lives underground and is controlled by underground people (i.e. The Seatopians) who want to destroy humanity. Add to the fact that he appeared in one of the more goofy and nonsensical movies of the entire Godzilla series makes him even more iconic and unforgettable. That being said i find it odd that he doesn't use his electric beam at any point during his fight between Godzilla and Jet Jaguar considering that he used it when destroying those army tanks and buildings. Add to the fact that he was shown to be rather clueless and weak when it came to fighting makes him kinda pathetic even by kaiju standards. But other than that i don't mind Megalon at all and i hope that Toho would give him more screentime in a future movie.

sonictiger

what makes a mediocre human characters is a combination of acting and writing.

A quiet place 1 does an amazing job, there is little dialogue but the writing is still there and performances are outstanding. It’s not that writing was in there because it was. It’s just blended well

SasquaDash

You took the words out of my mouth, lol

sonictiger

Well in western crossover movies, there is a heavy dose of wanting to please both fanbases.

KaijuFan_6754

Valid point as well

sonictiger

I felt Ford acted perfectly for a military guy, that's just how military characters are supposed to be; stoic.

SasquaDash I guess you have a point, considering the reptiles are too much to handle for the primitive human race in the movies. Still, don't the humans always make it out alive, or at least have some sort of victory?

sonictiger

Just saying I don’t think the Japanese audience is too invested in American celebrities like Brown. So I don’t think your point is right, saying that she’s in it here would particularly work. 

Xenotaris

Honestly it lost a bit of steam in COVID era, most people I know didn’t really watch  Wandavision, it was more like another one. Externals didn’t do so great either, but Shang Chi was AMAZING. I want to see more Asian inspired world building.

This is also an opportunity for me to plug what I consider the best movie of 2021,       DUNE. Seriously love it, Villeneuve seems to actually have a grasp of the message of the book based on his comments and handling in the movie.

;)

At least when it comes to fan reception that is...

The top 3 2021 movies at the domestic box office are Marvel films. A fourth sits at #7. Three of these titles are also in the top 10 world wide lists for 2021. All of this and Spider-Man: No Way Home has yet to premiere and inevitably claim the top spot. Meanwhile, Hawkeye is getting rave reviews.

If the MCU is close to "franchise fatigue" no one is noticing.

And you guys completely ignored my point about how acting can elevate mediocre human characters.  Any thoughts on that?

Also yeah, Godzilla was outnumbered so it wasn't fair.

OHNONONONONO hopefully no fatigue sets in

Yes, Godzilla won.  He killed Kong but Kong was saved because hmmmmm, monke.

sonictiger

to be fair, Godzilla had two monsters attacking him at once in G14’

Technically you could argue that the scenes of dinosaurs eating people in the Jurassic Park/World movies could count as reptiles defeating primates.

Humans are classified as primates, and dinosaurs are classified as reptiles.

Godzilla technically did won the battle against Kong, Kong was just brought back to life to kill a Robot

I hope the MCU and Live Action Disney Remakes gets franchise fatigue because other more deserving movies need to shine

SonicTiger

I think that was due to the Muto's EMP ability messing with Godzilla's atomic fire breath

Xenotaris, yeah that was a bit strange and Godzilla seemed very nerfed in 2014 considering that he managed to get more hits in with Ghidorah.

HinikunaGoji

You basically proved my point about that.  Here's an example of my claim: Millie Bobby Brown managed to make a character who had mediocre writing into a really good character due to a performance that elevated a good chunk of her scenes.  So yes, KOTM had good actors.  But some of the characters were too far gone in the writing department to the point that acting couldn't save a bad character.

Considering how GVK is one of 2021's top grossers domestically, Legendary and WB will most likely be clamoring for Toho to work with them again.

Also on the Spider-Man bit this goes to show how studios are willing to do anything with money even though the MCU is getting dangerously close to suffering franchise fatigue.

SasquaDash,
Yes, but the Japanese film industry is far better at keeping a secret than the American film industry which has a much larger market for "insiders". (Shin Godzilla was in development as early as March, 2013. News broke it was coming December, 2014. Singular Point was in active production for two years before news leaked five months prior to its premier. Alternatively, it was reported that Legendary bought the Godzilla license in 2010--A whopping four years before its release.)

Many Hollywood movies, supposedly in development, that go on for a year without announcement usually aren't happening. Obviously the hope is we're not quite there yet, but consider Legendary's track record: Dune's sequel was greenlit the weekend of its release. "Godzilla 2" and "Godzilla 3" (which now seem to be Godzilla: King of the Monsters and Godzilla vs. Kong) were announced two days after Godzilla '14 opened. The one anomaly was Pacific Rim: Uprising which was caught in a behind-the-scenes crossfire with Legendary's partnership transition from WB to Universal.

The film industry may have indeed changed in the way it distributes content, true. But if Sony's knee jerk announcement of three more Spider-Man movies is anything to go on, one thing that hasn't changed is the mad dash to produce money-making content and capitalize on immediate hype for IP.

I really like all of the monsterverse movies but 2014 the humans and the kaiju were more or less linked. Ford pretty much saves Godzilla from the MUTOs by blowing up their nest and luring them away with the nuke. 

sonictiger

Human characters aren’t just shaped by acting performances, KOTM had good actors.

G. H. (Gman)

Unfortunately, the pandemic has changed a lot for filmmaking. Just because they haven't fully announced that a movie is in development doesn't mean that something isn't being worked on. I think stating that the MonsterVerse might not continue because they haven't made any big announcements yet is a bit ridiculous. With that logic you could argue that Season 2 of Singular Point won't happen because Toho hasn't fully announced it yet.

@sonictiger: As the reception of the last few movies in this universe have shown, a lot of people (unfortunately) don’t care for the human characters. So if we end up getting one more film instead of another slew of them, it might sacrifice the human story again to elevate the monster story. 

Nah, everything sucks and human characters that are good are mainly shaped by the acting performances.

Well the delta variant is who we need to thank for that one.

Listen, Toho will probably only give Legendary one more chance if they haven't parted ways already.  Also, they're going to have to find a way to get people in seats because saying that Millie Bobby Brown is in the movie won't cut it.

SasquaDash,
Nothing is actively in development though. They've just mentioned they've kicked some ideas around. The closest we have to an official word is from Borenstein saying there are, "exciting things that are happening" and he's not even actively involved anymore.

Though, as you and HinikunaGoji say, indeed Toho may be the holdout. But given the box office of Godzilla's last solo Monsterverse flick, especially in comparison to the Kong titles, I wonder if Legendary thinks dealing with them is worth the investment.

Toho probably wasn't too thrilled with how GvK did in Japan either.

Here’s what I think we’ll get…

1. Godzilla graphic novels

2. Kong graphic novels

3. Mothra and Rodan graphic novels (possibly?)

4. Skull Island anime

5. Titan War anime (possibly?) 

6. Kong 2

7. Kong 3

8. Godzilla 3 (possibly?)

9. Destroy All Monsters/Godzilla and Kong team up

I’m now feeling conflicted on if we’ll get another Godzilla solo film. Since the last Godzilla film underperformed, Legendary may decide to have Godzilla show up alongside Kong in a future film. Kong has made more money than Godzilla so far, so maybe Legendary will opt to have Kong be the future of the MonsterVerse with Godzilla showing every now and than. 

As for the future of Mothra and Rodan, if we get another Godzilla film, I think at least Mothra will return, and at most, we’ll see both monsters return. If we don’t get another Godzilla film, they’ll probably return in a Destroy All Monsters film. I doubt they’ll get any solo films. Legendary may decide to expand on their characters in future comics and graphic novels. 

Jack Capellini

It's hard to tell. There are statements from Legendary mentioning that there'll be a couple of new instalments, so it's possible that we probably get at least two movies along with the Skull Island Netflix show. For the most part it seems like we'll get a couple of instalments centered around Kong, however it's currently unknown if, or how Godzilla will be involved or if Legendary will renew the contract with Toho.