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No Son of Kong, but still Kong: Hollow Earth
i mean, i don't really mind them
@SasquaDash: I agree! Do you think it’s meant to set up the arrival of Keizer Ghidorah for a future film? It came from the same book that included a moment where Dr. Serizawa remembers his son Ren, who later shows up in GVK.
What are your thoughts on the "cutaways"
It could mean that there are other members of the Ghidorah species and that King Ghidorah left his home planet in order to rule over another.
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anyways back on track
sidenote, i wish AstroGodzilla was made
well looks like the Kong species & the Godzilla species are attacking that flying Godzilla, could be AstroGodzilla, SpaceGodzilla, or Godzooki
Why is there a tie fighter
s c o o b y - d o o c r e w
the american healthcare system.
@SasquaDash: That makes a lot of sense! Something else from the artbook that should be brought to attention is a segment towards the very end that talks about how Legendary has plans for tons of future content going forward, including films that further explore the concept of space-related threats. The monster shown on the mural could be the big baddie for a Destroy All Monsters film, or maybe it’ll be another Ghidorah since the KOTM novel teased that there may more of Ghidorah’s kind out there. There’s a segment from Dr. Chen’s notes which speculates that Ghidorah is a “younger son” who “would not inherit territory” and thus came to Earth “to find his own.” This could be a setup for Keizer Ghidorah showing up in the future.
Either way, regardless of whether it’ll be the monster on the mural or Keizer Ghidorah, I’m betting that the final boss of the MonsterVerse will be another extraterrestrial threat. A lot of fans are hoping for Destroyah to be the big baddie, but I’m starting to doubt it since isn’t much of a setup for him to show up. Some point to the the appearance of the Oxygen Destroyer in KOTM as a setup, but I believe it was simply meant to be a little callback to Gojira 1954, a way for Godzilla to be taken out of the story for a little bit, and a way to show that humanity will find ways to disrupt the natural order. Plus, the Oxygen Destroyer has shown up several Toho Godzilla films that didn’t include Destroyah. So just because the OD was shown in KOTM, doesn’t mean it was setting up Destroyah. On top of that, if it was meant to be a setup for Destroyah, I feel that it’s a pretty weak foundation since it felt kind of shoehorned in. I doubt that Legendary would want their bid baddie to introduced from a shoehorned in piece of fan service. They’d want it to already be established in the MonsterVerse, which is what the concept of extraterrestrial Titans is.
Not only is no setup for Destroyah to appear, but he isn’t a popular monster outside the Godzilla fandom. General audiences wouldn’t recognize him if he were to be the big bad in a Destroy All Monsters film. You can argue the same could be said for Space Godzilla and Keizer Ghidorah, but at least they’re different versions of already popular monsters. So I don’t think they’d be as risky to bring in.
Do you think the big baddie will be another space-related threat or Destroyah?
This is actually really interesting.
But.. I disagree.
I wouldn’t deny that the movie was brought on by the success of G14’ yes that much is true.
First let me address the subtitles. I won’t comment on the film put out to any other country than Japan, but I will say. The point of subtitles is to confuse you. That seems counterintuitive, but it’s an intentional choice, because it is used to get you into the world of the characters. They have to deal with this day in day out. They have to memorize the titles, names, and locations of people in an instant. That’s the world they live in. Handheld camera makes it feel more personal as well, which just adds to the confusion. Eventually you don’t even need to know the characters names. It’s just Beaucracy.
Now about your point on it not being political this really irks me because you miss the point. It’s not inter-personal conflict because they’re no time. The politics itself is what’s being critiqued. It’s how slow the government moves. The reason the people, the citizens are glossed over because of the government. They’re being sluggish.
What do you want Japan to feel like? A superpower with a Godzilla fighting defense force? Well that’s not what it is. Politics is boring. That’s the point. The movie isn’t supposed to be like that. Not some Godzilla vs nukes and missiles everything. It is the most realistic portrayal of a response because of how BORING the people are.
You know in 2011 people died because of this problem. Many factors played into it, but when the tsunami turned out to be way bigger than was thought, the response was slow, and people were warned after that wall of water had reached they’re house. And people died broadcasting news about it.
My main problem is you just mainly gut the movie to just being about “politics” because you completely get rid of what the film is critiquing. Politics itself needs something to focus on.
It was possibly meant to be a set of for a future film, but since, at the time, they weren't sure if GvK would be successful (or if more movies could be made), they probably cut it so that the film wouldn't end on a potential cliffhanger.
@SasquaDash: That’s probably the best way Space Godzilla can be brought into the MonsterVerse. But what I’m wondering about this mural is why it didn’t make the final cut of GVK. Why do you think it didn’t make it into the film?
Godzilla vs Toast Plushie.
You forgot the GVK parts where they cut away to Millie Bobby Brown and her Scooby-Doo crew trying to stop APEX's evil MechaGodzilla plans.
Mix up the IP and the OGs, more cool stuff that way.
A MonsterVerse version of SpaceGodzilla could be another member of the Godzilla/Titanus Gojira species that gets mutated by some type of alien energy. It ends up gaining new powers, and turns against the other Earth Titans, attempting to destroy all life on Earth. It ends up eventually being chased away by the rest of The Gojira species and exiled into space (which could be what these cave paintings are depicting).
When you think about it though, that's kind of calling the MonsterVerse a cashgrab too.
@SasquaDash: If the monster on the mural is meant to be Space Godzilla, how do you think he would work in the MonsterVerse exactly?
In all seriousness though, it kind of looks like the early "Astrogodzilla" concept art for SpaceGodzilla.
It kind of looks like a Godzilla with wings...
wait...
A Godzilla with wings...
oh no...
@HinikunaGoji: While a Shinomura sounds like a good candidate, I have a few issues with this theory.
If this monster were a Shinomura, why would only one be shown on the mural? Since the Shinomuras are supposed to be a parasitic Titan species, wouldn’t the mural show a whole bunch of them waging war with the Godzilla and Kong armies? The fact that it depicts one battling both armies shows that the artists were likely trying to draw attention to this. While it certainly does resemble a Shinomura, the way this monster is depicted is too peculiar for it to simply be one. Something else that sticks out about the way this monster is depicted is that it is shown surrounded by stars and a galaxy. Unless it’s supposed to be the night sky, I can’t think of a reason for why the artists would depict a Shinomura coming from space. Once again, I feel the way this monster is shown on the mural is too specific for it to be a Shinomura.
Another question I have, is why are both the Kongs and Godzillas attacking it when the Shinomuras were parasites to the Godzilla species? It seems rather odd for the Kongs to help out the Godzillas when, as far was we know, the Shinomuras didn’t prey on their species during Earth’s prehistory.
A third question I have is that if this monster is supposed to be a Shinomura, why is it shown breathing fire? As far as I know, the Shinomuras don’t have this ability. This monster breathing fire leads me to believe it was more dragon-like than insect-like.
So overall, I’m going to say that this monster isn’t a Shinomura. What I personally think this mural is depicting is a time when the Godzilla and Kong species weren’t enemies, but allies. At some point during Humanity’s prehistory, they teamed to defend the Earth from another extraterrestrial Titan like Ghidorah. They eventually drove this Titan off of Earth, but this Titan will eventually return in the future, which will force the two last surviving members of the Godzilla and Kong species to team up again after they ended their rivalry at the end of GVK.
If this theory is true, and if we ever see aliens in the future, the filmmakers could take the whole conspiracy element further by revealing that the technology APEX discovered belonged to an alien race that’s similar to the Annunaki from the Nibiru/Planet X conspiracy theory and ancient Sumerian mythology. According to the conspiracy theory, the Annunaki were an ancient humanoid race that arrived on Earth after their homeworld (Nibiru), a planet that’s either rogue or is part of a mini solar system with a brown dwarf star at its center, came in close contact with Earth thousands of years ago. Once they arrived on Earth, the Annunaki were responsible for the creation of all of the world’s religions.
Since the MonsterVerse loves to delve into real world conspiracy theories, seeing a race that takes inspiration from the Annunaki (and Xiliens) wouldn’t surprise me at all. The filmmakers could make them the ones who were responsible for the Roswell incident and for sending Ghidorah to Earth during humanity’s prehistory. Maybe they sent him to terraform the Earth for them to colonize, but after they hear about him being defeated by Godzilla in KOTM, they decide to launch a full scale invasion of Earth, and arrive with Keizer Ghidorah and Gigan. This would be the premise for a Destroy All Monsters film, and I think it would be awesome to see all of the Earth Titans team up to defeat them.
what about shinomura
In my opinion, I believe it’s either Space Godzilla or an original monster that’s based off of Space Godzilla. Regardless of who it is, I find it very interesting that both the Kong and Godzilla armies appear to be waging war with this creature.
Maybe this mural is depicting a time when the Godzilla and Kong species were allies. At some point during Humanity’s prehistory, they teamed to defend the Earth from another extraterrestrial Titan like Ghidorah. They eventually drove this Titan off of Earth, but this Titan will eventually return in the future, which will force the two last surviving members of the Godzilla and Kong species to team up again after they ended their rivalry at the end of GVK.
Maybe this monster will be the big baddie of a Destroy All Monsters film in the future.
@YeOldFossil:
If we ever see Mothra and Rodan again in the future, I’m betting they’ll either play major roles in a third Godzilla film, or have cameos in a Destroy All Monsters-like film. I also think we’ll see more of them in future comics and graphic novels. But as for them getting solo films, I doubt that’ll ever happen. It would be too much of a financial risk on Legendary’s end (especially after what happened with KOTM back in 2019) and I think it’d be better if they kept relying on Godzilla and Kong.
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jeff bezos
I agree completely. I enjoy how it also shows the scale of the kaiju as well.
You know it’s something the Showa era did as well, for example Mothra vs Godzilla 61’ they cut to rescuing school children in the final fight or in Gidora they have scenes with them on the cliffs with the princess (I’m bad at names so I can’t even try).
I think people hold MV to standard of Hesei, because that doesn’t happen as much in that era. This comparison confuses me because MV is more similar to the Showa era not the Hesei era.
Also GVK didn’t have that much cut away either or gave humans much to do, and just had them cheering for giant monsters smashing hong kong. That’s weird though, cheering just doesn’t seem like the right reaction.
And we haven’t heard anything about a new contract between Toho and WB
Personally, I'd love to see both, a mix of classic monsters and new monsters.
The only one I see that makes sense is Mothra, but even then I highly doubt it. If you are asking which original monster should get a movie, none. I don’t find them all too compelling enough to warrant one. We only saw a glimpse of a few and the comics showed them briefly too. Maybe they could play a major role in a Godzilla or Kong movie, but I can’t see them take center stage.
Doubt it. Those contracts are fuckin expensive and strict. I would rather they continue on with their original Kaijus. We still have not seen most of them and the ones we have are pretty cool. If they are going to bring anyone in, it will probably be Destoyah in the final Godzilla movie as they did bring in the oxygen destroyer. That’s my guess, but any movie before that should utilize the monster they already have or planned because it would be a waste if not.
