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@sonictiger: What makes your think so?
Also, it'd possibly serve as a little contrast as Toho could compare less heroic Godzilla to good Godzilla in subtle ways.
Honestly, I think the Russells were a better fit for Edwards than Dougherty.
I just supported it, hopefully it hits shelves because if it does I'm definitely buying it.
UPDATE 5/26/2022:
The movie just can't be stopped. Eiga Ranking News reports that the movie maintained a solid weekday hold from last Wednesday which boosted its gross to an estimated 2.286 Billion Yen. (Estimated $18 Million.) This tops Kong: Skull Island's final gross of $17.7M.
More importantly the same source reports Shin Ultraman is now at 1.5 million in attendance. This tops All Monsters Attack's attendance total from 1969. In celebration of reaching so many tickets sold in 14 days, Tsuburaya is putting up a clip of the intro for the movie tomorrow on Youtube for 48 hours.
Top Gun: Maverick premieres this weekend and will likely add competition that Shin Ultraman hasn't had in the last two weeks. Tom Cruise is one of the last Western box office draws in Japan. But if Shin Ultraman's legs continue it shouldn't be too difficult for it to hit 2.0 million tickets soon. It's still on track to hit the 4 Billion Yen mark.
Top 10 charts have been updated.
WARNING: LONG.
Here’s how I think Edwards would’ve approached Godzilla II if he got to direct it…
- He would’ve kept Godzilla pretty much the same minus a few minor behavioral and aesthetic differences. I imagine that Godzilla would’ve had bigger spines than in the first movie, and would’ve acted a bit more aggressive towards humanity. For instance, if some military force tried to interfere with his fight against Ghidorah, Godzilla would’ve engaged with them for a short period of time before going back to fighting Ghidorah. He also probably would’ve gotten some power boost during the final battle like what happened towards the end of KOTM. But as for what power up he’d get, maybe it would’ve been his red beam or nuclear pulse.
- As for Mothra, Rodan, and Ghidorah, I think Edwards would’ve handled them very similarly to the way Micheal Dougherty handled them in KOTM, with Mothra being an ancient ally of Godzilla, Rodan being a fire god who is awakened from a volcano, and Ghidorah being an alien monster who exists outside the natural order. However, I believe their designs would differ slightly from their KOTM counterparts. For example, Mothra would’ve sported her traditional colors of orange, black, yellow, red, and dark blue, while Rodan wouldn’t have had magma for blood. As for Ghidorah, I think that if Edwards decided to lean into his extraterrestrial origins, he would’ve looked a lot more otherworldly than how he looked in KOTM. To get an idea of what I’m talking about, think of the alternate designs that concept artist Ken Barthelmey did during pre-production for KOTM.
- As for the story and it’s characters, I think Edwards would’ve explored the inner workings of Monarch, with the protagonist either being someone who works for the organization or a journalist or conspiracy theorist who tries to uncover the organization’s secrets about Godzilla and the other monsters (much like Joe Brody investigating the MUTOS from the first movie and Bernie Hayes investigating APEX from GVK). The story would’ve revolved around the protagonist wanting to get dirt on Monarch for keeping the existence of Godzilla and the MUTOs a secret from the world. They would’ve been a survivor of San Francisco who lost their loved ones during the battle. While trying to expose Monarch, the protagonist stumbles upon some classified information about Mothra, Rodan, and Ghidorah, and before they can warn the world about their existence, each monster is awakened by a group of eco-terrorists or through other man-made means like fracking, drilling, and melting glaciers caused by climate change.
- Meanwhile, world governments would be scrambling to create new weapons to kill Godzilla, while Monarch would be on Godzilla’s side. Much like in KOTM, Serizawa and Graham would argue for Godzilla’s importance in maintaining the natural order, but each nation would ignore them during a United Nations meeting, instead agreeing to invest into developing new defense technology to counter Godzilla and other MUTOs that may surface in the future.
- As for the world building around the monsters, this is where things get a little tricky to figure. On one hand, it would make sense that Edwards would try and ground the monsters more than in KOTM by having them behave more like real animals. But in the other hand, when handling monsters like Mothra and Ghidorah, leaning more into a mythical approach would make a lot of sense considering they are the most fantastical out of the three monsters Legendary got from Toho. So what I’m thinking is that Edwards would’ve either leaned more into his naturalistic approach from the first movie, or lean more into KOTM’s mythological approach. As for the world building around humanity, I think we definitely would’ve seen a big leap in technology from the first movie considering that Gareth Edwards is a huge Star Wars fan, and likely would’ve taken some visual inspiration from Rogue One. We probably would’ve seen world militaries with Argo-like aircraft and maser-like tanks, and possibly even the beginnings of mechanized suits (like the jaegers in Pacific Rim and Mechagodzilla from GVK). In other words, this movie would’ve leaned heavily into science fiction territory like KOTM, but with a darker and more grounded spin. Basically, if KOTM was more of a modern Heisei Era film, Gareth Edward’s sequel would’ve been more of a gritty, science fiction thriller in the veins of Rogue One, and Bladerunner with giant monsters mixed in.
- I also think we would’ve seen how people reacted to seeing Godzilla and the MUTOs from the first movie. We would’ve seen some heated debates among different groups over whether Godzilla should be seen as a hero or enemy to humanity. We also would’ve see some civil unrest and anarchy that would lead to governments implementing martial law. The protagonist would’ve been a journalist who thought Godzilla was an enemy, but much like Mark Russell in KOTM, they would’ve had a change of perspective and come to view Godzilla as humanity’s protector.
- I think the tone would’ve been the same as the first movie, with Edwards framing the monsters the same way he did for the first movie. But unlike the first movie, its sequel would’ve introduced for science fiction elements like advanced military technology, and Ghidorah being an alien.
Nice poster!
I want Yamazaki's project to harken back to the Showa-era version, but I want the tone of Godzilla 2014 and Shin to still be there and maybe depict Godzilla as a neutral force of nature, since Toho's last 2 incarnations were more-or-less villainous depictions.
On Legendary's side, I highly doubt that Godzilla is returning in the next movie due to it being most likely a Kong sequel. But I do believe that he will get a third movie after his TV show.
UPDATE 5/25/2022:
This is going to be something of a hodgepodge of information, since I still don't have the verified actuals. But the estimates have been pretty close lately.
Last weekend Shin Ultraman was #1 at the box office for the second weekend in a row with an estimated 2.027 Billion Yen (estimated $15.9 Million). (According to Eiga Ranking News)
By Monday, Eiga Ranking News reported the haul for Shin Ultraman pushed it to 2.1 Billion Yen, (an estimated $16.5 Million) making it the 3rd highest grossing, live action Japanese film of 2022 in just 11 days. A fairly substantial stat. Currently the 2 movies ahead are The Last 10 Years and Confidence Man JP. Both are within striking distance and sitting with less than 3 Billion Yen.
The Last 10 Years has been in theaters for 10 weeks, so it's not pulling away anytime soon. And Confidence Man JP is finished at the box office. Including animated (anime) films, Shin Ultraman sits at #5 for 2022. (Animation is notorious for being more successful at the Japanese box office though.) Including foreign films, it sits at #8 for the year--And climbing.
And then something happened Wednesday, according to the latest report by Eiga Ranking. There was a strange uptick in sales for Shin Ultraman today, which has pushed its estimated gross to 2.232 Billion Yen. The exchange for that amount is estimated for $17.5 Million USD! That's a massive uptick for a weekday in Japan and I'm not sure what caused the surge.
Comparing its opening weekend attendance to the current gross, Shin Ultraman sits at an estimated 1.4 Million tickets sold.
For comparison, Shin Ultraman has now sold more tickets than the following Godzilla movies:
Godzilla x Megaguirus - 1.35M tickets
Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla '74 - 1.33M tickets
Godzilla vs. Kong - 1.25M tickets
Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. - 1.20 tickets
Godzilla: Final Wars - 1.0M tickets
Godzilla vs. Megalon - 0.98M tickets
Terror of MechaGodzilla - 0.97M tickets
Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters - < 0.17M tickets
Godzilla: The Planet Eater - < 0.14M tickets
Godzilla: City on the Edge of Battle - < 0.09M tickets
Keep in mind, most of these movies either flopped at the box office, were merely skirting by due to a decline in Japanese cinema in the 1970s or were limited releases. Shin Ultraman is only in the middle of its second week at the box office.
To further illustrate what a juggernaut this movie is for the genre, Godzilla vs. Kong took 9 weeks to only hit 1.25 million tickets. Shin Ultraman is on day 13.
It has also beaten the following non-Godzilla kaiju/giant monster movies of recent years:
Kong: Skull Island - 1.34M tickets
Attack on Titan: Part 2 - 1.23M tickets
Pacific Rim - 1.03M tickets
Pacific Rim: Uprising - 0.61M tickets
Rampage - 0.30M tickets
If Shin Ultraman can get to the 3.0M mark, it will have outsold 22 movies in the Godzilla series, including every Legendary Pictures film and the entire Millennium Series.
Charts have been added and updated for comparison. Hopefully we'll get some actuals before the weekend.
Curious to see the new incarnation of Toho's Godzilla
HinikunaGoji,
Not to mention the increasingly likely possibility of Godzilla appearing in the next Monsterverse film. Either Toho's new negociation with them changed up the prior contract or the next Legendary movie is being staggered in a way so it's not in production at the same time as Toho's.
Or Godzilla's just not in it and the deal was changed to television-only for Legendary. Who knows.
The bigger mystery right now is Yamazaki's project and what it is.
They really seem to be pushing forward Monsterverse though. I mean the clock teaser, and on the day of the MV show announcement?
Maybe becuase of how GvK preformed especially bc of covid
HinikunaGoji,
Correct. Toho calls the shots on their own IP. It's just whatever route they believe will feed them the most income.
Legendary wouldnt have a choice if toho wanted to make godzilla movies content at all.
And Toho already hinted at the MV godzilla show before WB or Legendary. So I think its safe to say, Toho is still interrested in keeping him in MV
I assume that Legendary will let Toho go full steam ahead on this Godzilla movie before announcing Godzilla's MonsterVerse future in full. Just saying.
Does that come off as irony to anyone else?
I'd take this with a grain of salt. It's interesting nonetheless.
Yamazaki is in the middle of shooting this film and will continue to through mid-June. Could "Godzilla: Zero" be the working title?
My First Godzilla Movie was during "2014" all the way back to when I was 6 years old since now like 8 or 9 years later during now in 2022 I am now like 13 years old now LOL
My first year of encountering the interest in Godzilla The King of The Monsters Himself was all the way back in the year completely complete named and legiterally/literally called "2014" and all the way back then in that year I was 6 years old and I encountered the interest in him on a "2014" Godzilla Movie TV Spot and that's the only one epic, awesome, precious, based and cool moment part where I first got the encounter of my first time having interest because then after that I legiterally/literally just went immediately/instantly drawing him on paper when I 6 years old that time in the year completely complete named and legiterally/literally called "2014" but finally now like 8 or 9 years later I am like 13 years old during now in this year 2022 and I am still a OG godzilla fan still loving the MV Titanus Godzilla Incarnation aka MV Titanus G21-22 and the only reason why I say "22" in the name MV Titanus G21-22 because I first of all know that he is/he's gonna have a TV Series Show/Show Series this year and also "Godzilla Vs Kong 2" aka The 2nd Sequel GVK Movie LOL
Do people not know this master piece of cinema?
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I say Kamoebas would win because I don't know those other monsters you're talking about.
I come from a family of heavily mixed ethnicity across Asia. Most of all, I am Taiwan aborigine - Japanese. My people were enslaved by Japanese during the war and persecuted mercilessly if we didn’t throw our ancient culture away and adapt the Japanese lifestyle. I am not sore towards my Japanese family, history is a nasty thing, but I feel for my Japanese family too. They lost everything during the war, experienced Atomic hellfire, and their friends fallen from the aftermath.
Godzilla, has united my family from both ends. Godzilla has created unity, and for that I am grateful beyond words. My Japanese ancestors had been following Godzilla from the very beginning since it first released. My indigenous tribe appreciate the accuracy and respect to our culture portrayed in Mothra’s films. Even since the 1960s, portraying native culture not as cannibalistic savages, but sympathetic beings who have been bothered too many times by invaders. And the lore across Mothra’s character is incredible and contrasts so well to my culture, while still a fresh take in their own right.
I have watched every Godzilla movie since Godzilla VS Biollante (1989) when they debut in theatres whenever I visited my family in Japan, and watched every last Godzilla movie through subsequent home-video release. Over my childhood into my adulthood, I have acquired a vast Godzilla collection, and I love to read the supplemental details from the books and novelization, or the old pamphlets they given out at the theatres.
P.S, I despise the new American Monsterverse with a burning passion, but the 2014 film is okay, before they franchise it.
Monsterzero9, I appreciate the effort. But REIKO is an Operating System, not a pilot.
ErlikoIsCoolALT,
The Kamoebas in both Go! Godman and Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. was likely not the same one in Space Amoeba.
Yeah Kamoebas did survive. Since he was shown in 2003 dead on the beach. But lets talk about it without the volcano.
Plus one didnt kill the other techincally, i mean kamo drags gamines into the volcano, so technically he wins
I haven't seen the movies with these kaiju yet
I mean, I feel like the movie answers this regardless...
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