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And destroy all monsters is set in 1999
Is Tidal wave part of it?
Sorry, I have no idea why this page did that. Here it is again:
The Showa Era films I covered are:
Godzilla (1954)
The Invisible Avenger (1954)
Godzilla Raids Again (1955)
Half Human (1955)
Rodan (1956)
The Mysterians (1957)
The H-Man (1958)
Varan (1958)
Battle In Outer Space (1959)
The Secret of the Telegian (1960)
The Human Vapour (1960)
Mothra (1961)
The Last War (1961)
Gorath (1962)
King Kong vs Godzilla (1962)
Attack of the Mushroom People (1963)
Atragon (1963)
Godzilla vs the Thing (1964)
Dogora (1964)
Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster (1964)
Frankenstein Conquers the World (1965)
Monster Zero/Invasion of Astro-Monster (1965)
War of the Gargantuas (1966)
Godzilla vs the Sea Monster (1966)
King Kong Escapes (1967)
Son of Godzilla (1967)
Destroy All Monsters (1968)
Latitude Zero (1969)
Space Amoeba (1970)
Godzilla vs the Smog Monster (1971)
Godzilla vs Gigan (1972)
Godzilla vs Megalon (1973)
Tidal Wave (1973)
Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla (1974)
Prophecies of Nostradamus (1974)
ESPY (1974)
Terror of Mechagodzilla (1975)
The War In Space (1977)
I hope I didn't leave anything important out!
this is dumb
I though Godzilla represented Nature while Kong was basically Mankind, and MechaGodzilla was man's reckless to the environment
That wasn’t Gman’s point. He didn’t state politics as the thing missing from GVK it was an example, and is a good one, because movies especially today focus on being politically correct. GVK is just meant to be fun. There is no hint at a real world meaning, Godzilla doesn’t represent something in it and neither does Kong.
Just because a movie decides to not focus on politics doesn't mean that it's dumb and has no substance. Meaning can come from different sources, it doesn't always need to relate to politics. In an age where political drama is constantly shoved down our throats, it's nice to see something that is focused on a different topic. The fact that the movie focused more on the mythology of it's world, linking it to real life legends is, honestly, a breath of fresh air, and even if the movie was just pure escapism, that's not nessasarily a bad thing...
Also, taking a single throwaway line from a scene and using it to judge the entire movie doesn't really feel fair to the movie or the filmmakers...
Which is why I want a 3-hour MonsterVerse movie, to make a deep story. I want a more darker take in the MonsterVerse post-GVK.
EdCh,
Although I have no finite stance on the Anime Trilogy, I certainly agree with every word of your take. The films are very thought provoking and it's exciting to see filmmakers continue to use Godzilla for forms of trauma and experiment with the characters as something even further beyond our normal expectations.
SasquaDash,
That's certainly what happens in the movies, but that's not what they're about.
Even Adam Wingard said, "politics are out the window," for Godzilla vs. Kong. The movie has no real meaning--It isn't about anything. It's dumb escapism, amped up to 11. Which is fine, to an extent, but there's even a line in the movie where a character says, "It's so stupid," a moment of meta-realization that makes me question whether or not the filmmakers are laughing at or with the movie.
Certainly other Godzilla movies have gunned strictly for nonsense, but even then there's a trace amount of meaning, regardless of how forced. (Godzilla vs. Megalon's anti-nuclear lip service against nuclear testing accidentally starting a war, for example.) But there's just not much to come back to. A movie without something to say is less interesting to me and frankly All Monsters Attack has a lot more to say.
Yes, Ichiro makes friends with Minilla in his dreams. Yes, it's through stock footage. But why? Because All Monsters Attack is about the deconstruction of the Japanese nuclear family during an economically trying period.
In the late 60s, with everyone trying to move closer to the city for work, Japanese families were sandwiched into tiny padlock-esque living situations. (As seen in the movie.) Just to make rent, both parents were forced to work two jobs and children were forced to fend for themselves--Ala, every kid we see in the film.
Crime was effected by these conditions, so Ichiro's run-in with criminals was a commentary on that rise as well. The movie transforms into a somber coming of age tale about a child forced to take care of himself because economic conditions won't allow his parents to help him.
One of the saddest moments in the Godzilla series comes when Ichiro leaves his mother crying by the tail end of the film. (In one cut of the movie, this is the final shot before it fades to credits.) She's not crying because her son could've been killed. She's crying because he said he didn't need her. He's grown out of a need for her protection and she missed him coming of age because of the job she had to work. Forget "sad" moments like Godzilla dying, or Serizawa sacrificing his life to booster shot Godzilla with a nuke--This is real. This was, and is, a real moment that everyday people go through and it's gut-wrenching.
I suppose that's what All Monsters Attack comes down to. Ishiro Honda, director of the original film, directed this movie as a story he had always wanted to direct--A story about, "normal people in normal Japanese life." It's what he always wanted to do before being shoehorned into monster and sci-fi movies. Here he uses the Godzilla series for that opportunity. It's unique because there's no villainous monster attacking. No alien invasion. No secret organization. Nope, Godzilla is just a movie series for a kid escaping reality--Hence the stock footage.
With that, you could say All Monsters Attack gives even Godzilla vs. Kong some form of reason to exist.
I love MonsterVerse Godzilla and Kong as well
that makes sense
Chris
Yeah, I saw these popping up, and decided to look into it more. They don’t annoy me, thanks for doing this and not just ads.
Don’t question it. LOL! This made me laugh thank you hahaha yes, I've removed majority of ads off the site to make it more user friendly for members. Instead I've opted to periodically publish articles like this to offset hosting costs. Less intrusive and keeps us online. :)
It might interest you to know that “Rite Of Spring” is the first western piece Ifukube heard.
You make an excellent point about the rhythmic elements of Ifukube's music producing memorable themes for Godzilla. I could even consider the opening notes on the 1954 soundtrack as a theme - essentially those tympani accents which are supposed to be footfalls.
The part in Rite of Spring which really has the G vibes for me is the section where strings are doing even rhythmic accents and then the orchestra does syncopated accents on top ("Augurs of Spring").
Another classical piece which has G vibes has got to be Holst's "Mars" from his "The Planets" suite. There's alot!
BTW I did a few analyses of Ifukube G music a while back. You can find them here:
http://cuebycue.blogspot.com/p/godzilla.html
This is probably an unpopular vote, but I was really surprised and moved by the Anime Trilogy. I had pretty low expectations going in (wasn't excited about the future premise) but once I got past the first movie I started to understand what they were trying to do.
It was really interesting to see how Godzilla, MG and KG could evolve over 20 thousand years into almost literal "gods".
Also I applaud them for going for such an adult dark ending!
Don’t question it.
In the third act of Shin, it seems to become patriotic, and rather than showing the government as corruption chose to show them as good people trying their best. To me it balances that conflict very well.
Its just how Scified makes money and stays online
Xenotaris, favorite franchises for me:
1. MCU
2. Star Wars
3. MonsterVerse
4. Transformers
Godzilla vs Kong is about an ancestral rivalry between two god-like beings that branches back to an ancient war of Titans. The battle is reignited in modern times, as the "mortal" humans are caught in the middle, with some (APEX) attempting to disrupt the natural order by getting involved in the battle.
All Monsters Attack is about a kid who dreams that he's hanging out with Minilla/Minya (who can talk for some reason) as they watch stock footage from other (and better) Godzilla films.
I'm not trying to disrespect your opinions, but I honestly don't see how All Monsters Attack is more compelling than the MonsterVerse movies...
G.H. (gman)
godzilla vs destroyah is better than return of godzilla and godzilla vs biollante by FAR. so its the easily the best of the heisei series.
Sorry I mean Titans-Jinshin Mushi. Last time.
Dude that wasn't Tokyo, Kong and Godzilla were fighting in Hong Kong. I watched almost all the godzilla (and related kaiju) movies and Hong Kong and Tokyo look complete different
I really like the Queen MUTO because of her powerful sonic breath and the way she looks.
SasquaDash,
I never said all the Monsterverse Godzilla movies were bad.
But, yes, All Monsters Attack is an infinitely more compelling and more deeply rooted story about the Japanese people during a very difficult point in time.
Godzilla vs. Kong is about... a monkey and a lizard slapping each other.
Monster_Zero,
The Return of Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Biollante are probably the best of the Heisei era. The former has some pretty thin characters, but the atmospheric tone is unique to the series. Additionally, Keiju Kobayashi as Prime Minister Mitamura is absolutely incredible.
Biollante, for all intents and purposes, shouldn't be as good as it is. But the characters are engaging, the effects are top notch and the ideas of how the world reacts to Godzilla's biological application is fascinating.
The Shin Godzilla is just on a whole different level. It's a very dense, dark satire on the Fukushima disaster from 2011, the issues with Japanese emergency policy and a commentary on constitutional restrictions the country has had to endure. Godzilla plays the part of both a natural disaster and an uncertain, foreign threat, which leaves the characters confused over how to react to him while adhering to strict rules. It's a movie deeply rooted in recent Japanese issues and topics. (As it should be.)
Monster_Zero,
I'd recommend picking them up and finding out.
The Showa Gamera movies aren't particularly great, but I think re-evaluation over the years has helped myself and others appreciate them a lot more. If for nothing else, they're interesting movies to watch in order to see what the Showa Godzilla's competition was at the time.
The Heisei Gamera Trilogy is a masterpiece. Some of the greatest kaiju films of all time and they put most of the Heisei, Millennium, Reiwa and Monsterverse Godzilla flicks to shame. To this day, I'm still waiting for a kaiju / giant monster movie as good as Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris. For many, it's the greatest kaiju film since the original 1954 Godzilla. I can't be positive if I agree with that, but I certainly don't disagree! The movie is incredible.
Oh yes Behemoth was really cool, hope he or she gets their own MonsterVerse movie
Sincerely, I can't see Gorosaurus as a villain, I think it would be cool to see Gorosaurus trying to fighting vs Kong but losing, and in the end bowing to him as his true king and turning into an important Kong allie
