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JoshoGoji, a mixture of every era of Godzilla based on the body of a dilophosaurus
My Godzilla would have sauropod feet and the ability to unhinge and grow his mouth to 3 times it’s normal size. It would resemble Shin but with much bigger and bulkier arms with opposable thumbs. The large tail would have retractable spikes lining it. His back would be a bit more hunched forward than normal shin. He would fire a dense beam that could disintegrate anything in its path. He would have large retractable teeth that resembles the queen Tao Tei from The Great Wall. Basically preventing his mouth to fully close when fully extended. He would have an unnatural amount of bite force and would weigh 190,000 tons being 200 meters tall. He would have an extremely thick hide with incredible regeneration properties. He would have above human intelligence and could analyze whatever language anything around him could be speaking and replicate that roughly. He is very understanding of humans but will not stand as they pollute his planet more and more.
I might as well answer this,
My Godzilla would have the tree like texture of GOdzilla Earth and roughly would look like a blend of Singular point, Some shin like elements, and using 1954 as a base. It would have the scratches of Shin but they glow blue and its atomic Breath sequence would start to flash like 54'(and other gojis I realize) and get the rings of SP rings like SP.
MY Godzilla would roughly be like Godzilla earth but having been awoken when humanity killed the other Godzilla's and kaiju.
It would have the same power and size of Godzilla earth as well has being able to destroy and distort reality like Godzilla Ultima. It would be intelligent and aware like GMK goji though.
Tried the game and am completely failing at it. its better than defense force, which wasnt that bad
SasquaDash,
We've been through this multiple times. As tiring as you may find my distaste for the Monsterverse, I find your interpretation of my words equally exhausting. No. I don't like the Monsterverse, particularly the latter two, and I find some of the people behind them missing the point. Criticism can sometimes seem insulting, but it's also in how you take it.
That said, even the quotes you mention are about as harmless as it gets. I am very happy we're getting something completely different from the Monsterverse. Why would I not, since I clearly don't care for the former? And, "look at how much better that Singular Point did, King of the Monsters didn't do that well so Singular point is superior," is your interpretation of the comment and yours alone. The example with King of the Monsters was to give an example of how a niche fan base alone can not hit successful numbers unless it's reaching wider audiences. Given that this example was in the same franchise, and relevant as of recent, it was the best comparison. Obviously, more than the fan base showed up for GvK whether one likes it or not.
I said this the last time you derailed an entire topic engaging me over this and I'm going to say it again, if you feel the need to discuss my criticisms of the Monsterverse or make it personal, my PMs are open. Feel free to engage. Otherwise, please stop filling up threads with the same, tired complaint over and over. It has ruined topics before, let's not do it here.
The show is dense with its hard science, there's no arguing it. I've never enjoyed math or science, but in terms of films that like to use it, I've always been fascinated and it really encourages revisiting these stories. Doesn't hurt that I have some old friends that majored in this material and I was in shock at how much they told me was accurate.
I will say the English dub has made it easier to catch on in some ways and harder in others--But that comes from a deep place of cultural prejudice many of us have.
I can see that, It was very interesting to me. AND i enjoy science being used and again I will say, fantasy just being labled scifi
As someone who doesn't study physics and has a hard time with certain subjects (like various types of math), the show was a bit too overwhelming, The monster stuff was cool and I enjoyed some of it, but the fact that most of the show was made up of physics lectures made the plot difficult to follow and really dragged the show down for me.
I see the criticism in others reviews a lot, it has nothing to do with that. If you look farther back in this discussion youll see I spend time researching physics, I think this show just directly appeals to me.
Well, I guess I'm just stupid then...
That wasnt much of a problem for me with this show. It felt very easy to understand for me and the physics did seem oversimplified.
It feels more like real science fiction to me actually incorperating the real world and using theoretical science to justify the fantastical elements. Not like star wars, which is more fantasy but seems to get classified science fiction because its in space.
My problem with the show, is that it relies so heavily on it's science that it becomes overwhelming, most of the show ends up feeling like a very long, overly stuffed and complicated physics and chemistry lesion, rather than feeling like an entertaining story. It may be great for professors, but for the average viewer it comes off as a jumbled mess. You shouldn't need a PhD in order to understand a show's plot. Adding physics and other types of science to a show's plot can be good, but when it's the main focus it starts to become boring and hard to follow. Most of the time it feels like the show is made up of the writers saying "look I'm smarter than you" and it starts to feel almost pretentious. Also, it ends up creating a narrative that anyone who doesn't like the show is "stupid", which I find a little insulting.
Overall the series feels like it's trying to be a complicated college physics course that's occasionally interrupted by kaiju attacks.
I think completely different based on the 4d idea
I wonder what the other dimension looks like... Specifically the wherever Godzilla and the other kaiju are from. Does it look like Earth but just with red dust? Or does it look completely different?
I would agree with much of your criticisms if Singualr Point was a full story, but its very clear that there will be a season two, hence the after credits scene.I get where you come from on the designs , but i have literally no response to that its based on preference. All i really know is I liked it and can someshat see what dissapointed you.
”It's as if he thinks that his opinion is the only one that matters and that anyone who disagrees with him is "wrong".”
Its the internet, not real interaction the automatic emotion you will read most often is hostile. That dowsnt mean it is. Gman is free to share his opinion and make fun of whatever he wants. I chose to not get bugged by it a while ago.
also Chibi Godzilla does not get to be a godzilla.
My point is that he constantly bashes KOTM and GVK to the point where it becomes ridiculous, He seems to find any excuse to trash those movies and mock the crew involved. After a while it not only gets annoying to constantly see him bashing the movies, but it's kind of demeaning to the people who worked on the films and to the people who like them. It's as if he thinks that his opinion is the only one that matters and that anyone who disagrees with him is "wrong".
Case in point, the fact that both you and Gman pretty much wrote off my criticism of Singular Point because it didn't match your opinion. Gman's reply to my criticism of SP was to basically ignore my points and to counter with "the series is excellent, it's better than the MonsterVerse" like my opinion was somehow wrong and invalid. The point of this forum was to discuss our thoughts on the show, yet it seems that any opposing opinion is being pretty much ignored and thrown aside like it's nothing, which feels a little insulting.
I get that he doesn't like KOTM and GvK, but his relentless attempts to discredit them is becoming annoying. If I was constantly trying to find any excuse throw the Polygon Trilogy and the people who worked on it under the bus, I'm pretty sure that it would eventually get annoying to everybody and people would want me to stop.
Thats not entirely true. If you went into context and saw it was a response to, “
I think what we see here is that the show is a hit with hardcore G-fans. That's to be expected. But I doubt it did much to extend Toho's reach to anyone else. Now, many G-Fans are purists and want to keep their fandom to themselves, and think that's fine. So maybe that's okay. ”
The KotM reference was a secondary thought. So I should have specified, using that quote had nothing to do with monsterverse.
Kotm was very exclusive and didnt really open up to a larger audience. As fun as it is and I enjoy it, im not gonna try and pretend its a movie that was made as well as it could have been. It was a comparison that showed an interesting point.
Also he mainly just discredits KOTM and GvK..
Havent heard much criticism about KSI and G14
"And plus using a comment not related to monsterverse (the one about #3) and presenting it as one doesnt help support your case."
The comment did relate to the MonsterVerse though, The full comment was this:
"The show was ranked #3 on Japan's Netflix over the last few weeks. It takes more than a hardcore fanbase to accomplish that.
The hardcore fanbase showed up and largely love King of the Monsters in theaters, but the general audience didn't seem to pick up on it."
Essentialy he's saying "look at how much better that Singular Point did, King of the Monsters didn't do that well so Singular point is superior". He's directly using Singular Points successfulness to discredit the MonsterVerse.
Personally I don't care if he likes Singular Point more (that's his opinion), but the fact that he seems to use any opportunity to throw the MonsterVerse under the bus and to mock the filmmakers involved with that series has gotten really annoying and tiresome.
Hey goji. I'm going to watch Godzilla Singular Point whenever I get a chance
It was amazing, definitely worth a few rewatches
Of course singular Point and Monsterverse are gonna be compared. WHich is better is up to the individual, but if you look at the general reception SP has better recieved by the general public is entirely true.
"The show was ranked #3 on Japan's Netflix over the last few weeks. It takes more than a hardcore fanbase to accomplish that.
The hardcore fanbase showed up and largely love King of the Monsters in theaters, but the general audience didn't seem to pick up on it."
This isn't bashing its just entirely true. And plus using a comment not related to monsterverse (the one about #3) and presenting it as one doesnt help support your case.
Yet, you've been comparing Singular Point to the MonsterVerse, mostly as a way of discrediting the MonsterVerse.
"but after the Monsterverse, I'm happy to have a Godzilla story that swings the pendulum very, very far in the opposite direction."
"The show was ranked #3 on Japan's Netflix over the last few weeks. It takes more than a hardcore fanbase to accomplish that.
The hardcore fanbase showed up and largely love King of the Monsters in theaters, but the general audience didn't seem to pick up on it."
"It is a great deal better than the Monsterverse"
Hell, the Wingard quote that you've been using is another way you've been trying to disregard the MonsterVerse and throw it under the bus...
"To me the reactions that I've seen feel more like a "Japanese Godzilla vs American Godzilla" situation with fans arguing over which ones "better", which I find kind of ridiculous."
Indeed, especially since I haven't seen much of that at all. In fact many of the people praising it are also fans of the Monsterverse merely enjoying the series for what it is rather than comparing it to anything. Rightfully so as the series is excellent without comparison. It is a great deal better than the Monsterverse, but I don't think that's really a conversation worth having when there's so much meat in the series itself worth mining without the need for comparison.
There were ideas that I liked and the animation was fantastic, but I feel like the series got bogged down too much by the over bearing technobabble. A little bit is fine, but when 90% of the dialogue is made up of it, it becomes extremely jumbled and hard to follow. Heck, there were times where I was wondering if the characters even knew what they were talking about. It felt like there was too much going on at once and the plot became too convoluted and confusing, it got to the point where I had a hard time trying to comprehend what was happening. The fact that they kept flip flopping between the origins of the monsters (ranging from them being prehistoric, them being from space, them being deep sea creatures, them being from another dimensions, to them evolving from the red dust) really annoyed me, seriously pick an origin and stick with it. It really made me appreciate the simplicity of the the other Godzilla stories. I also find in ironic that the series is made out of technobabble and exposition dumps, yet there's things that they flat out don't explain why did the blood of the Sarunga/Megalon/Kumonga creature come to life and become Hedorah-like creatures?, Why could Godzilla Terrestris's blood become tentacles that protected it from harm? What was the Shadow Rodan? How did Salunga get into that facility? None of this was explained and it just added to the confusion.
The new monster designs just felt uninspired to me, there were aspects of them I liked, but for the most part they felt really unoriginal. Looking at Salunga, Godzilla Amphibia, and Godzilla Aquatilis I couldn't help but think of how much I would rather be watching Gabara, Varan, and Titanosaurus and how it would have been cooler to see them return instead. Godzilla Ultima looked amazing though.
I mentioned Godzilla feeling like an afterthought. He doesn't fully appear until the end of episode 6 and then doesn't actually become Godzilla until the end of episode 10. Even when he's finally in the show they barely show him, there are long periods of time where they cut away from Godzilla and they barely mention him, there are times where it almost seems like they forget about him. I like a good build up (I love Godzilla 2014 for that reason), but when you spend 2/3 of the series waiting to see Godzilla in action, only for them to barely show or mention him, it's pretty annoying.
I didn't hate it, like I said there were things that I enjoyed (I sure as hell liked it a lot better than the Polygon Trilogy), but there was a lot that dragged it down for me. With all of the hype, I had big expectations for it, but in the end I just felt let down. I may watch it again in the future and my opinions may change, but as far as my initial reaction, I was just really disappointed.
I find it interesting that the most praise that I've seen being given to it (besides the animation) is that "different" and that it's not the MonsterVerse (or that it's not "American"). To me the reactions that I've seen feel more like a "Japanese Godzilla vs American Godzilla" situation with fans arguing over which ones "better", which I find kind of ridiculous.
Such a great series! I love it!
Here, here. Second time watching the show and I'm truly sucked in to the world, the procedure and the ideas. I'll likely watch it a third time, once again in Japanese again just to check out Netflix's subtitles. Though I'm surprised at how well the English dub sounds. Johnny Yong Bosch (the Black Ranger from Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers) is a perfect English speaking Yun.
Also, Dman on youtube did a tremendous cover of Sawada's, Alapu Upala, (another example of the mirror concept Mei brought up with "6=9"). Looks like we'll be getting a few different variations of this fantastic piece on the soundtrack, but until then...
Alapu Upala - Godzilla Singular Point [Piano Cover]
THis is where I disagree with you. The main thing that really stands out about this show to me is how original it is. Rather that the same pattern that much of the godzilla media follows of Monster vs Monster, or Godzilla comes on land, stop it.
"Other ideas constantly contradicted themselves, at one point they state that monsters like Gabara-I mean Salunga could control the red mist and then in another scene they state that the monsters were created and controlled by the red mist" I honestly dont see your problem with this. Im pretty sure, that the second statement was never said.
"Godzilla himself kind of felt like an afterthought and it almost felt like they kept forgetting he was there, he seemed more like a special guest star as opposed to being one of the main focal points."
This isnt a problem. Godzilla wasnt even the main focus of the Original movie.
"I didn't really like that the "new" monsters and Godzilla's early forms just recycled design elements from older monsters." I thought they were fantastic! Salunga was an amazing deisign and the more I look at it I see Gabara and Baragon less and less. JUst because it has a horn and the sam skin color doesnt mean theyre the same kaiju. It came off more mmonkey like.
The show kept me entertained the entire time and everything seemed very intentional. And I say again, it isnt bogged down by the usual format of ultraman and monsterverse, and much other godzilla movies.
Unpopular Opinion:
I didn't really like it that much... The animation is amazing and there's some really cool moments. But the story was way too convoluted and confusing, most of the show is focused on a lot of overly complicated technobabble and it was extremely hard to follow (it felt like there was too much going on at once). The series kept flip flopping on it's plot points and it seemed like the writers couldn't decide on certain details, the fact that they kept changing the origins of the monsters and the origin point of the song became extremely annoying, it's like they were just throwing out ideas to see what stuck. Other ideas constantly contradicted themselves, at one point they state that monsters like Gabara-I mean Salunga could control the red mist and then in another scene they state that the monsters were created and controlled by the red mist (Which is it?). Most of the characters were okay, although I felt like the AIs were more annoying than cute, especially the whole Jet Jaguar talking like a baby bit. Godzilla himself kind of felt like an afterthought and it almost felt like they kept forgetting he was there, he seemed more like a special guest star as opposed to being one of the main focal points. I didn't really like that the "new" monsters and Godzilla's early forms just recycled design elements from older monsters. I didn't completely dislike it, I did enjoy it way more than the Polygon trilogy. Overall I had really high hopes and I just felt a bit letdown.
My current rating is 2.5/5 (Mixed Bag)
FINALLY YAAAAAY
although i have conflicting feelings towards netflix...
this will suffice
either Arcade style or open world style
but seriously its very likely that mothra will come back remember what the director said ''mothra never really dies''
HinikunaGoji,
Indeed. Monsterverse Godzilla certainly has more in common with Heisei Gamera than he does Godzilla. I often find there to be a lot of similarities between the two "trilogies" as it were.
A poster was released to commemorate the 13th episode being broadcast on television this week in Japan. (The Netflix episodes release a week early and then repeat on broadcast later.)
The fanfare for it has been quite real overseas:
I love it. I love the accent on the bottom chords that I never really much attention to in other renditions. The choir chant is a nice touch as well, works well with the apocalyptic nature of Goji
Kan Sawada's complete rendition of Ifukube's Godzilla March has been uploaded to Youtube:
Godzilla's March - Singular Point
Love how well the images highlight the design's strengths. Solid Godzilla in action.
BigGrayGolem,
The show was ranked #3 on Japan's Netflix over the last few weeks. It takes more than a hardcore fanbase to accomplish that.
The hardcore fanbase showed up and largely love King of the Monsters in theaters, but the general audience didn't seem to pick up on it.
That said, anime is already a niche style in the west these days. If we're speaking of the English-speaking or Western fandom alone, we have to consider that much of the audience is already nerfed by the anime genre wall.
Toho has been doing a great job experimenting and twisting the per-concieved notions of the franchise over the last few years. If it's not very inviting to some younger audiences, that's fine since there's plenty for them in it already. There's no, "wrong track" for a franchise this diverse and while I can understand having issues with the series from an execution standpoint, the idea of asserting the franchise is not diverse enough to include stories that only appeal to specific demographics feels myopic.
I've voted for Arcade-Style Fighting Game solely for the fact that the format fits the Godzilla franchise so perfectly yet over the many years hasn't explored the full potential of it.
When you think about it, there are actually very few 3D FIGHTING games as most of the popular ones like Smash, Tekken, Street Fighter and Mortal Combat use what is called a 2.5D plane. The 3D not only opens up so much potential for fighting techniques and mechanisms but also for much bigger stages and larger scaled battles.
Quite some time ago I actually made a concept about my vision for a Godzilla fighting game called "Godzilla: Gods of Destruction" in which I try to expand on some of these ideas along with reusing and reworking elements from the Atari trilogy and the PS4 game (still a solid game BTW). If anyone's interested, click here to go to my Reddit post for the whole concept
