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So for those who are wondering what I mean is if it is possible that King Ghidorah may possibly be a genetic error much like how there are snakes that have multiple heads, is it possible that there somewhere is a single headed non split tail version of Ghidorah and It likely would be smaller of course.

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Godzillatheking123
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Well, in the 1991 Heisei-era film (sorry if I am spoiling if you haven't watched, but hey, you asked), Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, the Futurians went back to the past (WW2 Pacific) and left behind 3 genetically-engineered creatures, the Dorats, which fused to become King Ghidorah after that island became the site of nuclear weapons testing.

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Godzillatheking123,

In the Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah novelization the Dorats were reverse engineered from a King Ghidorah corpse found on Venus in the 2200s. 

Shame they didn't use that for the movie, I think it would've made a little more sense as to how three tiny creatures mutated into a three headed monstrosity. It would've also kept King Ghidorah's extra-terrestrial origins to some extent.

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Godzillatheking123: Yeah I am aware of the novel. But I didn't mention it because I was not sure of the canon status of the novel, so I just stuck to the movie.

Although, I suppose the Godzilla series as a whole never cared too much about canon.

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Potentially, though smaller?

Not likely. As a Titan, his species are likely to be naturally large winged dragons that possibly come from space.

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Nah, I think Ghidorah is an alien

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I am referring to the monsterverse version

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Yes, I know. And i do think he is an alien

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Resurgence
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But it is still possible that it is a mutation of an alien species

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Sure, I guess

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Godzillatheking123,

True, the Japanese don't particularly care for the concept of canon. But for all intents and purposes I guess you could say it is not canon to the Heisei continuity. But it sure would've made things more interesting.

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I think Ghidorah will be a space creature, but he will also have to an ancient since we saw cave paintings of him in Skull Island and Monarch Sciences.

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Well he is at least as old as godzilla

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If he is both an ancient and a space creature you could compare him to the old ones in the Cthulhu mythos.

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OMG I never thought about it like that

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I do not think Monsterverse Ghidorah is a mutation. And even if he was, it might have been intentional. At least, that's how I see it. But who knows? (Insert my forum signature here.)

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Yeah I guarantee that it would be intentional

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Resurgence When I said that, I meant that it might have been intentional from the perspective of whichever aliens created Monsterverse King Ghidorah.

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Correct Me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that Legendary/Mike Dougherty said that Ghidorah's origins will be that Ghidorah is a creature from space who most likely arrived on Earth many millions of years ago.

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Yeah, he did say that. But I think everyone is asking if Monsterverse King Ghidorah is a mutation of some sort that was made by aliens.

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I'm asking if it is a natural mutation

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Nah, hes most likely a unique alien (Only one)

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Resurgence
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That wouldn't make much sense

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how so?

 

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Resurgence
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Because so far even godzilla is a species

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Yeah, but still, we don't know. You know what? Here's what we should do. We should tweet this entire forum out to Legendary/Mike Dougherty and see what they say. (And it better not be the same quote that states "that Ghidorah is a creature from space who most likely arrived on Earth many millions of years ago.") We need ACTUAL answers so that we could put this topic to rest. (For Monsterverse King Ghidorah, at least.)

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they probably won't respond, but it's worth a shot

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Well, if Michael Dougherty "re-wrote Godzilla vs. Kong (2020)" (Btw, I'm surprised there isn't a forum topic discussing that. Why?), then I'm sure he can answer this question. (Insert my forum signature here.)

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Wait he rewrote godzilla versus king kong, seriously? Not sure whether to be concerned or happy about that

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Yes. I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. Look it up. You're welcome.

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Does it matter? From the perspective of a human, Ghidorah having mutated in space prior to coming to Earth would have no bearing on our perception of Ghidorah as an alien. It would only matter if Ghidorah came to Earth and somehow we mutated it. 

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It's called world building, typically it helps make a movie better

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TheGMan123
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I imagine that some of his origins may be elaborated on in the film proper.

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Most likely

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G. H. (Gman)
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World building and spoiling the mystery are two different things. There's such a thing as over-explaining some things. All we need to know is King Ghidorah is a powerful entity from space that could cause our extinction--That's all we've ever needed to know to establish dramatic tension within the movie. I don't really care if he's a unique creature, an alien mutation or the Easter Bunny one day out of the year, nor is that particularly vital information.

MDK 2 (MinecraftDinoKaiju),
The rewrites Dougherty and Shields did were minimal. There's nothing to suggest they did complete rewrites, they just added some thing for sake of consistency:

The Total Film article said, "Dougherty and writing partner Shields have been able to some input into the next film, 'We did some rewrites on the script just to help carry certain themes across and to flesh out some of the characters.'"

This is par for the course in Hollywood. Many screenplays go through several rewrites from multiple screenwriters. The 2014 Godzilla film had 5 different screenwriters work on it, but only Max Borenstein was given credit. David S. Goyer worked on it as well and Drew Peirce was brought in to polish it after Borenstein finished. Then Frank Darabont came in to flesh out some of the character moments.

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Well it sets up that more of them exist so it is important

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Maybe if they want to set up future installments? But I don't think it's important to the immediate story. If they bring it up, okay, but I hope they maintain mystery to King Ghidorah's origins. We never really found out where he was from in the Showa series/Mothra trilogy and that's a far more interesting and ominous background than knowing too much about him. What we don't know is far more terrifying and lends credence to the myths behind him.

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Well the showa Era and Mothra trilogy were not trying to be as grounded like the legendary trilogy need I remind you of flying godzilla in godzilla versus hedorah

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But being grounded doesn't mean you have to sacrifice dramatic tension by over explaining things. That has nothing to do with it.

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Did knowing ghidorahs origins in the heisei Era ruin the movie, how about biolante, or destroyah did knowing their origin ruin the movie?

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I never said it would ruin the movie. I said it would harm the dramatic tension and take away from the mystery. But since you ask:

The Heisei King Ghidorah's origins have been criticized since 1991, so for many, yes--It put a significant dent in the film for quite a few fans and critics. If anything the Heisei monsters are the #1 most guilty for being over explained--Particularly Battra and SpaceGodzilla which many agree are the weakest films of the era.

Meanwhile, look at the original Alien. All we knew about the xenomorph was what we watched on-screen. Part of what made it terrifying was that it wasn't over explained--The mystery perpetuated its terror. Then Prometheus and Alien: Covenant come out around three decades later and piss off half the fan base with some really convoluted backstory. The fact is it never really needed to be explored and worked just fine as it was.

"'Nostalgic' does not equal 'good,' and 'standards' does not equal 'elitism.'" "Being offended is inevitable. Living offended is your choice."

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