
True American Godzilla
MemberMothra LarvaeJul-08-2014 2:43 PMI was just thinking, what would the Legendary Pictures 2014 film be like had it been a 21st Century re-edit/remake of the original 1954 film? Meaning, keep the remake as close to the original story (can add new elements that compliment or flow with the original tale) as possible using modern technology and settings.
*Feel free to add to my thoughts*
1: The 1954 Gojira was made to be 164' tall because, at the time, the tallest structure in Tokyo was just under this size. Toho wanted to be sure that Gojira could peek over any structure in Tokyo. For a 21st century version, many cities are lined with massive skyscrapers that easily reach 500+ feet tall. However, Tokyo's average building height seems to be around 130', so the 1954 Gojira's 164' tall would still work... just know that Tokyo nowadays have like 13 buildings 500+ feet in height.
2: Speaking of Gojira, he'd also be redesiged as well. Mainly, give the gills as Legendary Pictures had done... only: Keep the dorsal spines close to the original only make them more water-dynamic for better swimming; naturally have the super-tough armored scales; a dark brown skin coloration, which the 1954 original suit was brown while all the other Gojira suits were black or green; and the Atomic Breath.
3: The Atomic Breath in the 1954 seemd to have extreme heat and nuclear radiation. Yes, other Gojiras had toned down the extreme heat to have great pressure/force. To me, to maintain that 1954 Gojira feel yet make it super powerful, make the Atomic Breath to the extreme. Nuclear bombs have intese heat in them, and the fallout of radiation is great. Make the Atomic Breath so HOT and RADIOACTIVE that no metal could withstand the temperatures, and the fallout form the Atomic Breath would be equivilant to a Nuke going off.
4: In the 1954 film, Serizawa used an "Oxygen Destroyer" to kill Gojira as he slept in the sea. However, how this weapon did this, of making Gojira be nothing but bones, was never explained. For a true remake, how about modify the name of the 'weapon' to fit the appearant effect. H2O is water, but H3O is a type of acid. The 'Oxygen Destroyer' could be a special but dangerous weapon that makes a region of water quickly turned into acid! To cover an area big enough for Gojira, the bomb has to be very big (so making one would take time, which means more chances for Gojira to attack stuff).
5: With modern technology, we can make the 1954 Gojira style design show more of the aggression and rage that wasn't possible 60 years ago. Make him so terrifying and dangerous in combat that even the Final Wars Gojira would be to scared to face this Gojira!
Okay, so that's what I have right now. What are your additional thoughts to this topic?
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petedj06
MemberMothra LarvaeJul-08-2014 2:51 PMI like where you are going with this, but 800+ feet is too big. Godzilla would be wider than the streets, making it impossible to move. I understand that you want to keep the original concepts in place, but they no longer work as modern technology allows us to make buildings on a truly massive scale.

JRR
MemberMothra LarvaeJul-08-2014 2:55 PMid preffer godzilla to be 90% exactly the same in the same year and everithing exept change his design make his spikes larger and pointier

True American Godzilla
MemberMothra LarvaeJul-08-2014 3:04 PM@PETEDJ06: Thanks for liking my idea direction. Yes, 800+ foot tall is quite massive. I was just now checking what's the average height of a building in Tokyo and, according to http://www.amusingplanet.com/2012/06/25-cities-with-most-impressive-skyline.html "In total the city has 2,779 buildings higher than 12 stories." 12 stories = 130', so the 164' tall size would still work, just remember that Tokyo has like 13 buildings over 500' tall.
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GG
MemberGiganJul-08-2014 3:09 PMYou know, With every Godzilla movie there is a new design, Thats what people look forward to, i know this is just a thought but this could never have happend with Gareth as director, Most Godzilla fans think of Godzilla not as the original demon of 54, But as a force of nature, Thats how Gareth pictured The King. Godzil 2014 i think is the best design, And it fit perfectly, If you read the Godzilla book about how they made the film, It took them a whole year to design him, And the designs were wacky and crazy at times, Before they found the true design. Thats why Godzilla 2014 is probably the best Godzilla movie, Cause it incorporates everything about Godzilla movies, Maybe there not all perfectly done, But it incorporates the cheesy human drama, Godzilla rising from the water, Monsters fighting, and a epic king of the monsters. Thats why a 54 remake would have been a bad idea.
Good grief.

Durp004
MemberBaragonJul-08-2014 3:14 PMI feel like if they just tried to update the original it would feel like 84's movie all over again. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's unneeded.

Linkzilla
MemberMothra LarvaeJul-08-2014 5:22 PMNot much I have to say about this except that approximately 5% of what you say in the OP has anything to do with making the film more like the original.

True American Godzilla
MemberMothra LarvaeJul-08-2014 6:07 PM@LINKZILLA: Sorry about that, but I thought doing some research into the items listed as #1-5 would be similar to what Legendary Pictures would look up and do. You know, try to give the image that I asked.
Still, what do you think of the concept thoughts in #1-5? Is it good? Would it be good as a movie or even as a fan-project?
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Sci-Fi King25
MemberGiganJul-08-2014 6:19 PMA good discussion. I don't have any other comparisons.
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Dinozilla0439
MemberMothra LarvaeJul-08-2014 6:34 PMUh... I don't know... :P I don't want Godzilla to be TOO aggressive. Plus, it would make any other movies with Godzilla vs whatever monster really lame. Why? Because Godzilla would probably way out match any other monster he faced. Not to mention the fact that if Godzilla were that tough, he'd likely be pretty brutal when fighting. TOO brutal. I'm not into blood/gore, especially when it comes to Godzilla.
Now if it were to be a standalone film, just like the 1954 with no other monster... maybe. But really, how aggressive does Godzilla need to be? He'd probably just kill a million people, and that raises another question; Do we need the movie to be THAT dark and depressing? That definitely wouldn't fly with younger fans.
From what I'm hearing, no offense, but not my kind of Godzilla.

NerdyBandGeeks
MemberMothra LarvaeJul-08-2014 7:22 PMThat's good for just a remake of the 1954 Godzilla, but I really like how the new one is.
GorillaGodzilla - I wouldn't say it's the best Godzilla movie. But I believe it is a perfect tribute to all the ones that came before. Moreso than Final Wars, because as you said, it incorporates elements from all the movies, and not just one movie to fit as many cameos as possible.

True American Godzilla
MemberMothra LarvaeJul-08-2014 7:54 PM@DINOZILLA0439: One, I'm not into blood/gore myself either ;). Second, the original Gojira film itself wasn't made from little kids for it too was dark and depressing (granted, with the suitmation and miniature city the destruction doesn't look real). As far as the aggressiveness, that's only so much as to make a remake of the 1954 Gojira seem very theatening; aka "don't mess with me" kind of attitude. That, or the humans did something to really tick Gojira off.
@NERDYBANDGEEKS: Don't get me wrong, the 2014 Godzilla movie novelization was very good. It's a shame that its actual movie was pathetic vs its novelization counterpart (the story in the movie wasn't much and didn't let you know the humans much). Yes, Final Wars had its problems too. Personally I wanted a longer battle of Zilla vs Japanese Gojira... or at least the Toho Zilla actually show proper Zilla behavior (as seen in the 1998 film). The 2014 Godzilla novelization felt like a good Godzilla movie, but if Gojira was originally intended to represent the dangers of atomic weapons then the classic Gojiras did better.
I believe in Jesus Christ, who's my Lord and Savior.
John 3:16, Job 41:1-34, Leviticus 18:22

Dinozilla0439
MemberMothra LarvaeJul-08-2014 9:26 PM@True American Godzilla
One, good. Then you're not one of those people I've seen on here who wanted a brutal and bloody Godzilla film.
Two, I'm aware of the fact that the 1954 movie was dark and depressing, and I agree that it wasn't aimed at younger kids. However, I'm certain most kids can watch it. It's not bloody, gory, or brutal. So what I meant by "That definitely wouldn't fly with younger fans," was that it most likely would be something THEY COULDN'T EVEN WATCH. However, since you've made it clear that you weren't referring to a bloody/gory film, I suppose it really doesn't matter.
Lastly, then... well, maybe it could work, IF it was supposed to be a deliberate remake of the original. It would most likely have to be a standalone film as there's no way there could be a sequel if Godzilla continued to be portrayed this way- there couldn't be any non-brutal, non-gory monster fights.

TW_G-Fan2014
MemberMothra LarvaeJul-09-2014 2:54 PMYou have a few interesting ideas had it been a remake instead of a reboot, but there's a few things that we need to remember and take into account.
The first Toho Godzilla was born of fallout, which is only residual radiation left over from after the bomb has already gone off and spread the (relative to the bomb's total potential) small amounts of radiation across the land. As such, Godzilla's own capabilities would not be on par with a nuclear bomb in the slightest. In fact, he'd be so much weaker it would be laughable.
Around 50% of a nuke's detonation energy is thermal energy with temperatures reaching up to and (for modern nukes) exceeding ten million degrees celcius which is nearly twice as hot as the surface of the sun. As tough as Godzilla is, having temperatures anywhere near that come into contact with his body would instantly vaporize him, so the extreme heat his body could generate on his atomic breath would have to be severely reduced to compensate for his body's limitations. Likely no greater than around 50,000 degrees farenheit, perhaps reaching 70,000 if you want to push it a bit farther which is still more than enough to melt any modern tanks and turn electric towers into white hot beams of metal before they bend and fall over themselves like puddy.
The radiation produced by his breath would also not be anywhere near what everyone seems to think a nuke is capable of. Only 5% of a nuclear weapon's energy upon detonation is actually radiation. The rest is thermal energy and concussive force from the blast itself. That, coupled with the fact that the residual radiation known as fallout ends upbeing more wide spread but far less concentrated in its lethality than the radiation upon detonation means that the fallout Godzilla's body absorbed would be much weaker than that of the bomb actually going off. His atomic breath could never, under any circumstances, measure up to a nuke in terms of radiation lethality or temperatures.
As far as his own body being radioactive, during any absorbtion process substantial amounts of the original energy are lost in the process and only a fraction remains behind to be truly absorbed and utilized. However much radiation Godzilla's body was exposed to, his body would only have truly absorbed a fraction of it and thus he would only be capable of producing an output equal to or less than that amount which he successfully absorbed. The laws of physics demand that in order to produce a great amount of output, an equal amount of input must come first and as I've already explained Godzilla's body would not be capable of truly absorbing all of the radiation from the nuke's detonation.
In fact, if he were anywhere near a nuke going off in reality he'd be instantly vaporized by the temperatures alone if the concussive force didn't turn him into a smear on the ground first. He'd never live long enough to absorb the radiation in the first place. The only reason he lived through a nuke in the 2014 movie was because the story demanded it, not becuase he'd actually be capable of it.
Finally, the original Oxygen Destroyer was a Deus Ex Machina weapon used to kill Godzilla. Such a device is, even with modern technology, impossible to create or duplicate in its effect. We could create other super weapons to try out, but there's no guarantee they'd work out the same way against Godzilla.
Whatever weapons we develop to try and destroy him, they have to fall into one of a few categories in order to be effective.
One, they'd have to be capable of draining his radiation to deprive him of the food he requires to function. Godzilla 2014 uses radiation as a food source, and not a power source. However much radiation he's exposed to would not make him stronger, it would only satisfy his hunger. Rob him of his body's required nutrients from his radioactive food source, you shut down his body's ability to function.
Two, find a way to shut down his neurological signals from his brain to his body. Inject some kind of neurotoxin into his mouth where the tissue is softest and shut down his nervous system to paralyze him and keep him that way until we find a way to deal with him.
Three, find or create another Deus Ex Machina which would never actually be practical in order to kill him.