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There's that perspective context again.

You can say he was rusty, while I can look at it as being well rested and energized. 

Shin Gojira was also still relatively new to his surroundings evolving as he went so you could say he was essentially a new born.

Legendary was losing; likely would have died, then eggs got blown up distracting the mutos, there's 1 save. Then after taking out the male the building fell on him making him collapse. Why did the female not take advantage? Once again busy with the military, and how did he take her out? Coming up behind her while she was preoccupied. The military also never really cared about Godzilla in 2014 most of their plans were directed at the mutos.

It's not an underestimation, it's what we saw in the movie. You can color it different ways but the picture still comes out.

If it makes you feel better I don't think Shin smashes legendary, but I think there are monsters in the Godzilla universe that could take either one pretty easily, 2 being on this roster that shin has to fight solo, hence why I said he would lose.

Do not underestimate the sheer strength and durability of Godzilla 2014; he may have been "losing" the fight, but he still did win. Remember, this guy had just arisen from his slumber--we can give him a benefit of the doubt for being rusty. Whereas, Shin was in his perfect form, and after the military prepared for him he stood no chance.

He literally was obliterated--I mean he was on the ground with his mouth agape. Godzilla 2014 dealt with beings meant to kill him, two of them! And still won after days of battling. Do not forget the building did not take him out--he just fell over for a moment, before getting back up to kill the female Muto.

You guys color this with context. Legendary can collapse after 1 building because he was already losing the fight to the mutos-OK, still great

Shin gets multiple buildings after fighting the military and train bombs- Weak glass cannon.

I hope you see where this is going. Neither are top tier, but at least Shin has that beam making him a wildcard in a 1v1, they both would still likely fall to a decent amount other toho monsters if you take their size away though.

^100% with TheGman.

Beaten and exhausted by the M.U.T.O.s, managed to catch himself from being completely crushed, and the building was over twice his size.

Sure, Shin Godzilla had more buildings fall on top of him, but he was budged by train bombs likely not even breaking kiloton at the highest end calculations, and he's not exactly the most graceful of iterations.

A building fell on Legendary and he collapsed.

Shin and legendary are only in the debate for "strongest" because of their sheer size, they both fall short in areas to the other monsters or versions of Godzilla that match them in that area.

I would argue showa is above both if not for the fact he's half their size.

When it comes to VS debates, demonstrated feats are king. At least with Legendary Godzilla, he has demonstrated durability feats that far exceed many previous film iterations that are corroborated by statements.

Shin Godzilla? We have a MOAB actually drawing blood and train bombs rustling him up.

Shin Godzilla is currently the highest grossing, live-action, Japanese-made film in three years and the #5 most attended film in the Godzilla series. It will finish 2016 as the #3 highest grossing film in Japan. (That includes Hollywood releases in Japan and animated films which are normally more popular. #1 for 2016 is Your Name [anime] and #2 is Star Wars: The Force Awakens.)

It's currently starting to rack up some awards. Here's its attendance numbers compared to the rest of the Godzilla series:

^Really? Wow! Shin Godzilla is doing incredibly well if it is still in some Japanese theaters.

Very welcome. Keep in mind I'm only going off of what's happened in the past. If Funimation is eager to get it on home video sooner and can entice Toho with some sort of deal, perhaps we could see it a little earlier.

But I doubt we'll get a release on DVD/Blu-ray before Japan does. That's just a bad business move otherwise. And who knows when that will be since the film is still playing in some theaters in Japan.

^Yeah, but that's like saying, "So this goldfish has a chance against this other goldfish?" Neither are top tier power-houses, though I would place Shin Godzilla a little higher than some of the comments above.

So G14 has a chance against Shin Godzilla?

Considering Shin Gojira was blown to the ground by things that wouldn't have an effect on most Toho Kaiju, I really do not think he can defeat any of them. His beams were really meant to be a devastation to man, not to monster.

He really is not that powerful--but he has potential to be! If he is as evolving as is stated in the film, theoretically he could evolve into a beast built to defeat his threats--those being the monsters you stated. He only evolved the beam because it was all that was deemed necessary to defeat his then rival, man.

If he was facing durable and powerful kaiju, he would have to evolve or die--cause the Godzilla we saw, would blast one of them with his beams and then run out of gas, and then be killed.

This is a classic case of the glass cannon in fiction. He's most certainly got the flashy firepower, but get in close, and he's kinda screwed, especially since he's so flimsy on paper. Toho Kaiju are relatively tough, and could likely weather his beams long enough to either close the gap or catch him when he's powering down.

Thank you Gman2887. You are very knowledgable on these types of things. Thank you for giving me an idea about how long the wait might be.

^They would give Shin-Gojira a good fight

 I don't see shin Gojira being able to take on that stacked of a roster. Biollante and Monster X alone would be good competition much less together with 2 other monsters.

FUNimation is handling the DVD/Blu-ray distribution and potentially the dubbing for Shin Godzilla. However, historically, it will not be released until a few months after Toho's DVD/Blu-ray release in Japan. (Such as it has been for years.)

For reference, the live action Attack on Titan movies were released in February and March on DVD/Blu-ray in Japan. They did not hit American DVD/Blu-ray from Funimation until October. (Part II will be released this December.)

That's an eight month gap between the Japanese home video release and the American home video release. We may be looking at something similar for Shin Godzilla. So unless a deal can be made, we likely have a long wait ahead of us.

Nice!

^When are we getting the dinosaur story you mentioned once?

Chapter One is up!

(Bad plays on words will probably stay as titles for the series at this point.)

I'm not sure, but my guess would be some time in the first half of 2017.

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I bought a keyboard from Goodwill an hour ago. It appears to have been very lightly used by the previous owner. It's like new. I Lysol wiped it. I love it. 3.99$.

A Kaiju that has a snake for a phallus is probably to sexual. The snake tail seems a bit out there as well in my opinion but I can go with it. I could be way off on Humbaba thing. Humbaba was the guardian of the Cedar Forest, where the gods lived, by the will of the god Enlil, who assigned [Humbaba] as a terror to human beings. Humbaba and Kong were/could be on the same team and he might be only trouble to humans. I also think that maybe Humbaba is letting Skullcrawlers wreck havoc on the island but why? I have thoughts but I will follow along with you guys and won't potentially spoil anything. I might be over-estimating their population and infestation but what's the going on with the island and where are the Gods? Are they Kaiju or Human Gods? Sally Hawkins said Godzilla is a God. I forgot what other Kaiju are considered Gods but why aren't they there? Perhaps it's true that it's similar to Rivendell and Kaiju Gods hold councils there. Maybe the Gidorah invasion has already captured it and Humbaba is Saruman. I will request Kong: King of Skull Island from the library. It probably holds many answers to my many questions. I could be taking passage on the teaser poster a bit too literally but here's another one that keeps me going. Potential Spoiler - when Gilgamesh and Enkidu attack. Even so, the friends only triumph because the sun god Shamash sends down 13 winds, which strike Humbaba from all directions and immobilize him. Perhaps a hurricane will be in play. The Poster says beyond supercell.

There's also cutting down the most majestic tree in the Cedar Forest, and killing the Bull of Heaven. That ox animal in the trailer could be a metaphor to the bull. Humbaba could be a minor creature in the film action wise. He might die early on in the film by Hiddleston. Maybe the killing of Humbaba is what got Miss Ishtar Larson so hot for Gilgamesh Hiddleston to begin with. It could be Kong and Hiddleston or Sam Jackson teaming up against Humbaba and Larson gets the hots for Kong. lol

"urges Utanapishtim to tell Gilgamesh about the plant that makes you young again." - Is finding medicine stuff in the film? I only saw a early synopsis that mentioned it. 

Make some noise in this joint! I just want a Kaiju battle. It makes me very pleased and I would buy a ticket. "His mouth is fire; his roar the floodwater; his breath is death. Enlil made him guardian of the Cedar Forest, To frighten off the mortal who would venture there. BUT WHO WOULD VENTURE THERE?" A big Skullcrawler is one dimensioned. It can get smacked around. How big do you guys think it could get? The serpent creature in the black light picture has to be something. I hope I don't have pareidolia! I don't think it should be Kong. I do think a kaiju with a snake tail is bit out there. I don't take the Humbaba creature literally. I could though. I find it very interesting. 

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I'm pretty confident in my "updated Two-Legged Lizard" theory. What do you guys think of it?

I think people are interpreting the "Humbaba" passage on the teaser poster a bit too literally. The passage is probably there for effect, maybe to metaphorically refer to some kaiju, possibly even Kong himself, and provide some ominous atmosphere and mystery to the poster. I don't think it is in any way implying that the villain in the film is literally the demon Humbaba from The Epic of Gilgamesh. It's very similar to Oppenheimer's quote appearing in the G14 teaser trailer. A lot of people took it to literally mean that Godzilla's enemy in the film would be that giant tardigrade creature and that it would be named "Vishnu," when that wasn't at all the case, as the quote was merely for effect. There certainly could be some as-of-yet unrevealed monster that faces Kong in the climax, but I'm not tempted to believe it will actually be named Humbaba.

I still think Humbaba is the final fight. I read on the internet that Jordan Vogt-Roberts doesn't wait a hour to get into the action. If the runtime is longer then Godzillas(2:03), maybe there's hope.

I don't know but perhaps they encounter Kong 40 minutes into the film. They find John C Reilly at 70 minutes and journey into the island 93 minutes in. The water skullcrawler at 120 minutes and the rest Humbaba? I really want a glorious fight.

I always thought they were gonna be water creatures. That Kong would fight in the water.

what if its mothra

@hbkdewd89 Lol at "buttcrawlers", that would definitely be a horrible way to go. Dare I say, a shitty way to die. 

I like the mention of Humbaba as well and perhaps the Skullcrawlers are merely an issue for the Humans and not Kong. Perhaps Humbaba is the real threat to Kong and the end of the film sees him taking the thrown of the entire island. From the description you shared, it does sound a lot like King Caeser.

Although, I have to disagree that seeing one giant Skullcrawler would be anti-climactic. I fully expect we'll see a giant one near the end of the film, as others have pointed out the one coming out of the water is much larger than the ones seen scurrying about in the bone yard. 

I had a crazy thought come into my head recently too... That what if these Skullcrawlers, when fully matured end up being... GHIDORAH? Like Kong's species, in this film perhaps Kong, with the aid of the Humans kill off most of the Skullcrawler population, leaving one alive. The mention of tadpoles got me thinking as well, it's possible as they mature, they go through various stages of development, with the final form being a massive, three-headed dragon? 

It's not that far fetched. It would certainly lead into Godzilla 2 quite nicely.

Someone from Spacebattles pointed it out to me. Notice that the Skull Crawlers look like lizards, except with only two limbs instead of four. They theorized that these guys are an updated version of the Two-Legged Lizard seen in the original 1933 film.

Here, a comparison picture:

Godzilla 2014 is not too bad imho.

I'm fan of Godzilla because it's massive size and ability to destroy everything he doesn't like..

I was thinking the biggest Skullcrawler is maybe the one in the water shown in the trailer and I think it might be swatted away by Kong. I can imagine 20 Skullcrawlers all over Kong. It seems like a rough time but I bet the humans do a great deal helping. I don't see a giant Skullcrawler as big as a threat compared to 6 or 8 small ones. Like Chris said, 6 or 8 small ones trying to get into the inside of the Kongs body. I would think his face would be okay but I don't know about his butt. A giant one is anti-climatic. For me the movie needs a Humbaba Kaiju climax. Kong might die from Buttcrawlers if the finale is 20 crawlers and a big one.

I'm imagining Humbaba looking like King Caeser with horns, talons and snakes.

Let us not forget that Kong is a juvenile in this film. Since it takes place in the 70's, Kong will have time to grow so he can fight Godzilla is 2020. Looking at the 2 Kong skeletons we see the cast walking along them. They don't look like 300 foot apes. Perhaps, those are the remnants of Kong's siblings? But still, the idea that the Skullrunners are infants seems reasonable. All we can really tell about these things, aside from being the primary reason Kong is the last of his kind, is that they nest underground, are very fast and have exposed skulls. They are going to be a tough fight for Kong. I just hope we get to see Kong use his famous finisher, ripping the jaws of his enemy open (like he did to the t-rex). Although, that would probably be saved for the final fight.

The Skullcrawlers appear to at least partially be acting as a stand-in for the Deathrunners from Kong: King of Skull Island, being a race of killer reptilian creatures that plague the island and are potentially responsible for wiping out Kong's species. I'm willing to bet that there is a giant Skullcrawler, possibly a matriarch like Gaw from the novel, that leads them and battles Kong at the end of the film.

I still see 2 things in the black lit picture.

 Could the circled serpent on the right be part of Humbaba or was Humbaba declared Kong already? They're multiple Kong Skeletons but there's only one Humbaba. Am I correct about that? I read somewhere that Humbaba has serpents attached to him. Perhaps the Skullcrawlers are Humbabas servents.

Here's a  snippet from Wiki. It isn't the writing from where I first heard about it though. - "he had the paws of a lion and a body covered in thorny scales; his feet had the claws of a vulture, and on his head were the horns of a wild bull; his tail and phallus each ended in a snake's head."

 "In this version of the story, Humbaba is beloved of the gods and a kind of king in the palace of the forest. Monkeys are his heralds, birds his courtiers, and his entire throne room breathes with the heady aroma of cedar resin."

Is Humbaba protecting the forest where the God Kong lives? The trailer said Kong is King around here.

Are Samual Jackson and Tom Hiddleston Gilagmash and Enkidu setting out into the cedar forest and capturing Humbaba? Could Kong kill King Humbaba to get declared King of the entire area? Perhaps Kong is King only on a certain part of the island. I think there's another island close to the main island. The island on the bottom left. It says Apex Primate.

Is it possible that giant skullcrawler skeleton is the result of the island's name? I believe a much larger skullcrawler will face Kong towards the end of the film. It would make sense if it were much larger than Kong as well, as this would showcase Kong's prowess in combat and show that "size isn't everything", proving him to be a worthy adversary of Godzilla's in 2020.

Here's my theory. The skullcrawlers that were chasing the humans were in fact juveniles and possibly live underground for protection against other predators. The fully grown skullcrawlers live in the water, that's why they show huge ones coming out of the water. Kong is gonna probably face a fully grown skullcrawler in the movie.