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In light of recent news, I'm inclined to believe that any other monsters that appear could potentially show up BEFORE Kong and Godzilla get into a scrap.

Perhaps, to buck the expected trend, the common enemy is the beginning point, with the fight itself being the result.

Bumping this for the new people who have yet to take the survey, as I'm still interested in studying the 1970s movies.

Yeah I take Kong as the pretty clear winner of that movie. He came up and Godzilla didn't. Fan ideas and personal wants don't really overcome that.

^But if that's what really happened why didn't it appear onscreen? Why didn't we see Godzilla trapped under the rubble? Why wasn't it stated on-screen by characters or insinuated either in the film or follow ups?

We need to remember that these are extremely visual movies--Japanese film is a cinema that shows. If Godzilla was engulfed by debris and caught underground, Tsuburaya would have been the first to execute it in some form.

I think many theories just try to justify Godzilla's loss. They ignore the fact that the film would have shown something to indicate Godzilla swam off - or was buried - or beat Kong underwater and they went separate ways. There's just no on-screen evidence of it.

Plus, more importantly, many forget Godzilla wasn't exactly at the height of popularity back then. He had been absent for seven years after Raids Again underperformed. Toho didn't have any plans to bring Godzilla back before King Kong vs. Godzilla and since Kong was a more popular cinematic creature it made more sense for him to win. If anything, Toho owes the rest of Godzilla's career and popularity to Kong. Without the massive success of King Kong vs. Godzilla, Toho likely wouldn't have pursued a series with Godzilla.

New chapter with the second best robot in the Godzilla series.

Sadly I think that's what will happen, which really sucks. 

^ I don't think the performance of Godzilla: King of the Monsters and Godzilla vs. Kong will necessarily be the deciding factor in the MonsterVerse continuing. I think Toho has already made up their minds and want sole possession of the film rights after 2020 and don't intend to renew their contract with Legendary. I'm sure Legendary is aware of this and not expecting to have access to Godzilla after Godzilla vs. Kong, but who knows, maybe the films will perform so well Legendary will be willing to bargain aggressively and offer Toho more so they can keep the rights. But personally, I expect Legendary's contract will end after Godzilla vs. Kong and Toho will start production on their next live-action film afterward.

To me the theory here is actually a really good one. I know Toho declared Kong the winner but honestly what riggzamortis86 says makes more sense and flows in terms of the timeline/storyline. It would make sense that Godzilla was trapped under the rubble from him and Kong falling, goes into a dormant state, and when the storm blows him on land in G vs Mothra and he re-awakens. 

They said he was taller than Shin and the Anime description says he's the largest lifeform ever recorded so really big. I'm guessing somewhere in the 800 foot region but for all we know he could be in the thousands. 

it kind of has an Attack on Titan feel to it. It's not bad.. and definitely had a look similar to Edward's G. He does have a fat gut though. Just how tall is he in this flick ?

I've always taken the roar at the end as being equivalent to both monsters "taking a bow" after the end of the movie. I don't think it's meant to be taken in the context of the story. I'm not sure why the U.S. version removed Godzilla's roar from this scene, but it might just have been to make Kong's victory more obvious.

I've always accepted Kong as the winner, and know that was Toho's original intent. Tanaka's fight record for Godzilla in his book is extremely generous, as for example he says his final battle with Biollante was a "victory," even though Godzilla retreated first and the fight was at best a draw. Kong is clearly presented as the victor after the battle in both versions of the film, and Godzilla's fate left ambiguous. Godzilla obviously didn't die, because he's alive and well in the next film. I know the result can be rationalized with Godzilla being amphibious, but I don't think that really matters. The film was made with the intent of presenting Kong as the winner, and it made sense at the time since Kong was more popular and the more sympathetic of the two monsters. 

I'm sticking to the 1962 English press release. Kong won due to being a more popular, older and more respected cinematic creation at the time. Tanaka was just salty about it years later when Godzilla's popularity arguably eclipsed Kong's.

I always thought that Kong won, and Godzilla retreated. Hearing him roar at the end was what I thought them suggesting he will return one day.

The Japanese version and the English version are the same ending. However, the Japanese version actually lets you hear godzilla roar at the end. Although the 1962 press material suggested Kong won, I can't help but question why Tomoyuki Tanaka would say it's a draw in 2 books produced a few years later. One of which is the "Perfect history of Toho special effects resource book" that I happen to own where Tomoyuki Tanaka declared a draw of the two. It doesn't make since that in the 62 press that Toho said Kong won but, why include Godzilla's roar at the end? Artistic view? Probably. A draw? Perhaps. Only thing I can think of is if perhaps Toho didn't want the truth to be revealed that it clearly was a draw. I can be totally wrong about this of course. I just find it baffling that in 2 books to my knowledge that Tomoyuki Tanaka declared a draw. Perhaps my "Unpublished material and resource book" produced by Tomoyuki Tanaka will explain more on this subject? 

While I don't actually see Kong as a winner, the point is in both versions he is the one that was last seen and was swimming back to his home, while Godzilla either disappeared or layed dormant after the battle. To me, I actually look at the film in it's original Japanese version as a draw. Only because godzilla roars. Can't remember if it's before or after Kong roars. The reason I say this is because why include it in the story of they instantly knew Kong would be the winner? I hope to find out more from the other Japanese books on Godzilla to find out more behind its production and such. 

I actually really like that Theory and to me it makes the most sense. Why else would G just stop chasing Kong, especially since G's far superior than Kong in water. 

^I'm glad I'm not the only one.

^That's a good theory. I think Kong escaped because he knew Godzilla could win and swam away before he was killed.

I have only seen the American version and seemed to me King Kong was able to swim away. So to me Kong won.

But then I thought to myself, why would Kong(a land dominant Kaiju) swim away from shore? To an island he has no clue to its location? Why not just swim back to Japans shore and take over as japans king? The answer to myself seemed pretty clear, he was afraid of Godzilla. In the movie, Kong retreated countless times from Godzilla. There are at least 2 scenes to back me up. He even hid from G after sliding down Mount Fuji! Some king he is. If this where a boxing ring Godzilla would have won with the 2 knock outs he had over Kong.

Kong is shown swimming away, Godzilla never found. My theory... he was engulfed by the earth quake at the end of the film. Swallowed up under the sea. He then re-emerges in Godzilla vs. Mothra, where? Under the ground at the construction site after a hurricane submerged the site under water. The Hurricane might of helped Godzilla re-emerge after the earth quake sent him under ground. So due to the earthquake getting in the way of the fight, Godzilla could not finish Kong off due to the earthquake intervening.

what do you guys think?  

Impacting,Awesome a Real Design of Godzilla is Truly Powerful his Muscles are Cool like Arnie Schwarznegger Inspired by huh?is okay awesome :)

Other people on line are giving this new look a ripping. They are saying pretty negative things about this new look. I agree he looks like an old man, but for this plot that's not a bad thing. Hugh Jackman looked like an old man in the Logan movie and people loved that.

I love the origin change, it's way different and really interesting. Like he's literally Earth's final and ultimate level of Natural Evolution. It doesn't get any cooler than that.

Need more money. Ill start a collection fund so I may purchase this.

there are those eyes. I was getting worried.

I like how they make him look seriously ancient! Like an old man. Not sure how I like the originating from plant idea instead of the nuclear bomb test idea, but I'll go for a ride on this one. Im sure ill still enjoy it.

This just hit me, I think I love the symbolism about Godzilla's Dorsal fins looking like leaves. Leaves must change color and fall every year. Thus creating a new season, a new life to emerge soon there after. Godzilla's dorsal fins represent change, not to just Godzilla but to the story. To his origin in order to give way a new life of Godzilla fandom. Damn, I don't know if they meant to do that or not, but that could be interpreted to be deep for fans to just enjoy the ride.

Im just confused as to why they had to change his origin like this? I guess to make this story have flight. I'm going to keep an open mind.

Nice to see other G-fans creating there own universe and sharing it with others. Great Job.

that would be cool. I would love to see what that is in the GVKK

By what is stated, and what G.H. stated, Wingard didn't say there wont be a team up but a clear winner. I don't think Godzilla will lose. the franchise can expand much father with Godzilla and other Toho monsters than Kong. I think Toho will wait to see what happens with GKOTM, see what the bank looks like after and simply wait till the series dies out to start making Godzilla movies again. But if both movies make bank then I cant see why Legendary cant keep making Godzilla movies. ^That's my theory.

But as long as they have a great fight or fights, then Ill be happy with whomever loses! They need many battle scenes for this movie. Plus GVK needs to make up for lack in MUTO's as apposed to GKOTM, where there are 4 monsters(at least). So many fights between the 2 or more will need to stand up to 4 monsters in the previous film.

G.H. I get it.  I should have said.. my theory instead. 

GMAN2887 - As long as the battle is well-fought and satisfies my desire for Kaiju carnage, I do not care which monster wins. I simply want both monsters to know they had a real fight by the time the bell is rung. :)

There's actually conflicting sources from Toho about who won in the original. The 1962 press release (which I put more stock in) claims Kong wins. Years later Tanaka claimed it was a tie in two different sources. So the debate seems unending.

As for the victor, Wingard's been talking about Godzilla more in these articles than he has Kong. Additionally, he put up a poll on twitter asking who fans think would win in a fight. Godzilla won by a landslide. I'm not saying he's one to merely do it via fan pressure, but he's doing his homework and talking up one over the other for some reason.

I doubt it, my reasoning is simple. In Toho's book, Kong won in the original. For over 60 years people have been waiting for another one so Godzilla could win. If they made Kong win again that would be ridiculous. 

Calling it now - Kong's going to win. I just have that feeling.

I'm very much fine with them teaming up, it's just that there will certainly be a firm winner. I knew that neither one would die, as Legendary's contract with Toho says that Godzilla can't die.

Wingard stated there would be a winner, but he did not indicate there wouldn't be a team-up or that the loser would die. You can have the bell ring in one's favor, but still include the former possibilities.

There can still be a clear winner even if there is a team-up, so I wouldn't say it's out of the question. Maybe one firmly beats the other but the greater threat claims his attention before he can kill him.

That being said, this film is sounding more like Captain America: Civil War than Batman v. Superman. I could see a scenario where neither Godzilla nor Kong is the villain and are being pitted against each other by a human villain in the hopes they will kill each other. By the end the maybe the villain's plot is foiled by Monarch and Godzilla and Kong both walk away from the fight alive, even though one has clearly won the battle. I just don't see Legendary killing either one off.

Honestly even though Wingard did confirm that there will be other kaiju in the film, I doubt there is going to be  a team up. After thinking about it and then him confirming there will be a winner I think it's just gonna be a straight up fight. I doubt either one will die (in fact I doubt think they can contractually kill Godzilla) but I think one of them will be severely beaten, almost to death. 

Will it be that Siberian creature?

"Mind you.. this is all speculation."

Oh, gee. Really?

It will be just like Batman V Superman.. and Ghidorah will be the big enemy and the battle ground will be skull island.. and since G vs K will be the last film in the series.. G will succumb to injuries and die.. Kong will be left standing over Ghidorah's dead body and Kong will look over at Godzilla and know that he will have to keep the balance of nature in order.. hence.. KING KONG..... of coarse.. that's only because Toho wont let them make more G films.. but who knows.. Toho could change their minds after GKOTM. The potential for making money is epic and keeping the franchise going.. would be a goal for Toho. Deep down.. I think they realize the potential of this new branch of the franchise... and depending on it's success or failure.. will determine their coarse of action. 

Mind you.. this is my theory.

Whoever wins, it'll be one hell of a fight.

I'm more enthusiastic about how Wingard described the Godzilla 2 set. It seems like everything is going smoothly and there are no troubles. This is good, time is money.