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Thank you so much, The King of the Monsters! It makes sense now.
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Damn that's 100% better than what I was thinking.
American films = Monsterverse Series
Toho Films = Resurgence Series
Legendary Godzilla is one of the most powerful, but I don't think his the most powerful.
Legendary Godzilla has:
1-Extremely tough hide that can withstand some of the most powerful explosions known to man.
2- Experienced fighter. Has awaken throughout the years to keep the balance.
3- It's one of the biggest and heaviest Godzilla's that can still move fast and even sneak attack.
4- His atomic breath in the movie was probably weakened by the MUTO's EMP. If that's true, then in the sequel we could see a much more powerful atomic breath. So I will hold judgement on that. Even though the graphic novel shows that his atomic breath was on par with the Heisi series, so the 2019 movie will answer that when it comes out.
As for weaknesses:
1- His gills are exposed and are a weak spot.
2- Has a hard time against ganged up attacks. To be fair he was against MUTO's that evolved specifically to take him down.
I believe Shin Godzilla has the most powerful atomic breath, and Final Wars has the most coverage. Still not sure which incarnation is the strongest.
I think Godzilla Raids Again is really good, and Ebirah, Titanosaurus, and Megaguirus are all awesome.
I also think that Shin Godzilla was a good movie, not amazing. It's too ambitious and really long.
You aren't alone in your thoughts about Final Wars.
Besides GMK, I didn't like the Millenium series. Final Wars felt too jumbled and all over the place and the others weren't memorable or exciting.
^ Essentially, the time travel in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah didn't change anything. By moving the Godzillasaurus off Lagos Island in 1944, the Futurians allowed it to be exposed to a nuclear submarine crash in the 1970's and turn into the Godzilla from The Return of Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Biollante in the first place. The Futurians didn't know the 1954 Godzilla was a different individual from the Heisei Godzilla, so they assumed they could erase Godzilla from history by moving the Godzillasaurus off the island before 1954.
For a better and more complete explanation of the time travel from Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, I recommend reading this article.
Oh! I got one! Godzillla vs. Gigan is one of my absolute favorites.
Showa series is the best. It aged a lot better than the Heisei series IMHO.
Godzilla Final Wars is super enjoyable. They went completely overboard with it, and I love it.
Godzilla 2000 and GMK were pretty dope, but Megaguirus and the Kiryu movies seem like they tried too hard to be cool.
I still have no idea what's going on with the timeline in Godzilla vs. Ghidorah (not really an opinion, but if anyone could explain it to me that'd be great lol) Also I have to say, I love all the different opinions expressed here. It's really cool to see how other people see these movies!
Yeah you thinking that Terror of MechaGodzilla is a superior film is all you buddy. To me TOMG is a stupid, cheesy movie with horrible suits and extremely outdated even by the standards of the year that it was made.
Shin is as basic as any 50s monster movie. It has absolutely no character's, and has major changes to the character that it copies from other monsters. Losing it's own identity.
Also most military man hide there emotions for the mission. Ford literally acts just like my cousin. I relate way more with Ford then anything in Shin Godzilla. Yes Elle was a story component for Ford. A mother who takes care of her child is something that is relatable. It even reflects Ford when he sees the little boy separated from his family and saw his own within him. He took it apon himself to make sure that kid will be reunited with his family. Just like how he hopes he would be soon.
Save the Earth all the way, although if they do ever remaster it, please let us turn off the tanks or at least make it to where they don't wreck you.
Ok then. What's the story about? Family matters? I guess. Ridiculous? As for what being ridiculous? Comparing it to a far superior film? Yeah, that's ridiculous. I'm sorry I compared it to Terror of mechagodzilla.
Ford hiding his emotions doesn't mean a great character. In fact, that's just boring. Elle, what did she do? Look out for her child? Yes, but still nothing more relevant to the film. Looking out for your child is one thing, getting more involved with what's happening is another. At least team Yaguchi participated in doing something meaningful for the film I'm Shin Godzilla.
Ha terror of mecha godzilla huh? Now that's ridiculous in way to many levels. Plus yes I completely forgot every name in Shin Godzilla. There was so many and so many boardroom meetings that I lost track and interest. My second viewing I paid closer attention and still board the me to no end.
Ford was stoic and generally level headed, even in stressful situations. However, he ended up breaking his stoic demeanor a few times; namely when Joseph was gravely injured from the M.U.T.O.'s arrival, when he contacted Elle shortly before undertaking the train operation, and lastly, when he reunited with her in the aftermath of Godzilla's fight with the M.U.T.O.s.
Despite these breaks in his generally stoic attitude, he's depicted as being conscious of knowing when and where grieving and emotional outbursts are acceptable, and is capable of being ready to shove his personal issues aside in order to pay attention to a greater issue.
He's also very selfless and resourceful, having voluntarily stayed behind as his military comrades pushed forward with their goal, so he could create a makeshift explosive that would end up destroying the M.U.T.O. nest and saving Godzilla's life inadvertently.
^ That was a actual character unlike every character in Shin. There's way to many that it doesn't even compare.
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Rando Yaguchi (Hiroki Hasegawa) is our main character of the film. Period. The girl you saw smile? Which one? We had Satomi Ishihara who was Kayoko Ann Patterson, we had Jun Kudamari who was our military general that also played in Godzilla Final Wars 2004, you forget him? That's just a very short list of characters. Hell, the PM was more engaging than Ford ever could be.
A garbage millennium film? I'm still sorry but it's true. I mean, G14 was like an American attempt at Terror of mechagodzilla 1975 and came up short.
Yeah I didn't see any character's in Shin. Unless you count that girl smiling at the end of the movie when she didn't the entire time character development.
G14 as the garbage Millennium series? Yeah that's super far off in way to many ways. But whatever it's your opinion.
Max still wrote and is credited to those films. Respectively of course.
^Similar sentiments. I love Save the Earth. Would love even a half-assed HD re-released.
He's a co-writer, not the full on writer. I'm sure his brother probably had more to do with writing the comic book. He was contacted last minute after the films script was completed and already shooting. Max Boring-stein was also a co-writer for Kong not the full script writer. Same will be said for 2019and the best part is, he's not on the 2020 team for script writing.
Ok. So you said you prefer legendary over Shin. That's your right. But, g14 is very much a millennium film with Hollywood effects at best and it's sad older films before it did it better. As for me, Shin Godzilla blows 2014 out of the water by a mile margin. Also, Shin had more engaging characters than 2014.
Borenstein has written Godzilla(2014) and Kong: Skull Island (2017) also the graphic novel Godzilla Awakening. Plus his gonna write the upcoming sequel Godzilla King of the Monsters. He has said in multiple interviews that it's canon and Legendary Pictures and Gareth Edwards support that.
^ That's proof enough. You can pretend that Max isn't in the credits for those films. Doesn't mean your right.
Plus I never said novelization. I said he wrote the novel. As in Graphic Novel.
Seriously get your facts straight.
Anyways I already gave my thoughts on who would win, which was better at representing the character and it's rich history, and which film was better.
Yes, end of discussion here.
Their inclusion as part of the DEATH BATTLE styled VS debate here, though? Not quite! They have much to offer, and contextualize a lot of Legendary Godzilla's feats more clearly. Same general character in the same franchise. Of course, no need to bring them into the fold in terms of discussing the films' merits. We'll do that in other threads.
"Which is the same guy that wrote the novelization." completely bullshit. Greg Cox wrote the novelization. Max Boring-stein wrote the films script. Neither Greg Cox or the guy who wrote the Awakening are the guys who wrote the films script. Get your facts straight.
Even then in one of those interviews, Max Borenstein blatantly said the films script was completed long before the novelization or comic were even considered. When asked directly if it was "Canon" he diverted the question many times. The point is, the comic and novelization are not Canon. End of discussion.
Actually no they don't sound similar. One started completely over while the other is still building it's universe. Literally that link I provided shows that Legendary Pictures, Gareth Edwards and the guy who wrote the movie which is the same guy who wrote the graphic novel all saying that it's part of the movie and expands on the mythology.
Anyways Shin stands no chance against Legendary Godzilla.
As for how Godzilla was represented. I give it to Legendary Pictures. They truly captured the character throughout the years. They truly made him contemporary and added everything from Toho's rich history.
As for the actual film? Well I personally hated Shin Godzilla, because it didn't feel like Godzilla and watch extremely boring with no character's. A complete opposite reaction from what I felt when I saw Legendary Pictures. People actually cheered whenever he appeared, and people clapped when he won. Super satisfying that so many enjoyed it. It's certainly my second favorite Godzilla movie.
I think Godzilla and Gamera should be in a production together, and I think Gamera should win. I love the OG Big G, don't get me wrong, and I think he's gonna last a lot longer as a property than Gamera, but I feel that a movie fight ought to have the flying turtle win it out.
Not only does Gamera deserve a win for once, but spiritually, I think him winning would set off a chain reaction, potentially bring the Gamera property back into the limelight as a character on par with Godzilla.
For the purposes of the actual debate at hand, I propose that we utilize Awakening, if only for the additional context it gives behind the physical statistics of the character of Godzilla, DEATH BATTLE style. Let's not nitpick over canon here, we have other threads for that.
There's not much else to add from the comic anyways, besides the possible asteroid feat and slightly more detailed usage of Legendary Godzilla's plasma breath, which is seen to be able to create small craters upon contact with the ground in addition to being able to burn up a Shinomura entirely if all of its individual colony members can be caught in the stream.
Coupled with Legendary Godzilla's impressive physique and demonstrated feats in the film, Shin Godzilla would be hard-pressed to keep him down.
Save the earth easily. That game is very nostalgic for me. It's the best Godzilla game you'll get. Godzilla Unleashed wasn't bad it's just that it's for the wii and it's impossible to learn combos and heavy moves using a wii remote.
Happy birthday Tezuka!
That post was largely unrelated to its canon and vague at that.
Star Wars retconned everything and started over, outside a tv show. Once disney made the mandate everything needed to be canon it was restarted and characters from the old were taken and used when possible.
Godzilla Awakening was made before the monsterverse was concepted outside what might have been a vague idea, had no relation to the development of its own movie and once the universe was made the BIGGEST part and whole point of the comic are left unmentioned while single named is dragged up in the official timeline.
They both sound similar don't they?
@Trapzilla,
"But in terms of suits and atomic breath, Showa loses."
Funny that the atomic breath in the 90's heisei series didn't create explosions but 4th of July sparks. Koichi Kawakita had a much higher budget and failed at capitalizing on it. He used the Bandai Destoroyah toys...His effects were too sparky and glittery to be honest. Very rarely did we see the monsters with wings actually flap them. They looked like cardboard floating and gliding in the air. That's not using your craftsmanship to the fullest in special effects. Just because the suits may be better in terms of looks doesn't mean better effects.
Matt is very much aware of him--It's simply that Nakajima continued the legacy of Godzilla and experimented with the character for two decades while also having input on the suit creation process.
But you're right, Tezuka is awesome as well and certainly deserves credit for helping begin the Godzilla/kaiju legacy and making his mark in the series. Happy birthday to another wonderful artist.
^ Yeah that explains why, and confirms at the same time that it's canon. Plus the Star Wars universe actually Retconed a lot of it's material and the studio responsible for what's canon has said what actually is and what isn't.
Legendary Pictures never said that Godzilla Awakening isn't canon. Especially now that a character from that book has been added to the Monarch Timeline and Skull Island using certain things from the graphic novel.
By that logic g14 retconned both its tie in materials and made them noncanon since there are differences even if small parts are acknowledged.
Example: the 100s of pieces of media for the old star wars universe that also had characters and events added to the current canon while not making the entirety of the works canon.
Kong Skull Island fixed some of the mistakes from the previous movie. Stuff like that happens all the time.
It's called Retconed
By that logic i could easily say skull island was the movie that made the mistake rather than the movie about godzilla that highlighted a plot point
So your saying that Castle Bravo was a Kiloton nuke and not a Megaton?
You do realize that mistakes slip through the cracks in movies right? Doesn't change the fact that Legendary Pictures Godzilla tanked Castle Bravo. They even say it in Kong Skull Island. Castle Bravo was a 15 Megaton Hydrogen Bomb. So yes that line in the 2014 movie was clearly a mistake.
Meaning the Nuke they tried to use on the MUTO's in the 2014 film at the end was more powerful, then Castle Bravo.
Plus in the movie, and comic it's extremely well known that Legendary Pictures Godzilla tanked 15 Megaton Hydrogen Bomb called Castle Bravo.
Except when there was that scene specifically pointing out they used a kiloton nuke. A whole conversation just to prove you wrong strange when you can point to everything BUT the movie to get your info
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.themarysue.com/godzilla-awakening-interview/amp/
1954 Monarch Goes Global
As the age of the atom bomb dawns, Monarch, a multinational coalition of scientists leading covert missions to understanding of M.U.T.O.S. authorized unofficially and overseen by General Macarthur, ( ) flotilla under the guise of "Nuclear( ) weapons across the Bikini Atoll in they were not test. They were trying to kill it.
^ All that is pretty substantial evidence. Legendary Pictures & Gareth Edwards, plus the writer for the 2014 Godzilla film saying that Awakening is the official prequel to Godzilla 2014. Meaning canon.
Repeating it doesn't make it true. And if we're going by the timeline, why don't the timeline events reference the battle Godzilla had? Or the event in general? Seems like a big event to gloss over.
Until said by an official filmmaker or referenced officially in the films, it is not confirmed canon.
I'll repeat and add some to my comment.
Yes the book's are canon. You can literally see all the interviews that basically confirme this, and the film Kong Skull Island using some of the stuff in Awakening. Plus General Macarthur is a character from the graphic novel. He was added to the Monarch Timeline... That alone should tell you how much Awakening is the official prequel to the 2014 Godzilla.
Some of the inconsistencies from Awakening & 2014 film can be solved by simply remembering that Monarch is a secret organization that won't reveal the entire truth about Giant Monsters owning this earth. What they told to Ford was a cover story that simply only involved the Monsters in question, and keep everything else under wraps. Especially when you take a look at there timeline. They have been keeping track of MUTO'S throughout the years, and even contain some.
^I don't think that's unpopular.
