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^ Well scientist messing around with animal DNA is already a thing.
Ah biollante, going from one of the oddest Kaiju to one of the best. I could definitely make a topic about her. She is such an interesting monster and could definitely work in the monsterverse.
ebirah would be nic as well. I do think ebirah would be more of a cameo than a main villain, but it would be a nice inclusion.
Awe come on! haha, That's like half the ones I would love to see!
Biollante is a great one. So far there is a female monster in the first 2 Godzilla movies. The female MUTO and Mothra in 2019. So it would be neat to see another female monster in say GvK. Or if there will be more monsterverse after 2020, maybe room for Biollante.
I always thought it would be cool to see Ebirah in GvK. In K:SI we see Skull Island surrounded by a thick storm. It would be neat if Ebirah or a group of Ebirah's lurked in the ocean below the storm. Say if Godzilla or Kong were to try to go through the storm to get to one and other to fight they would have to go through a swarm of Ebirah's or a singular Ebirah. It might explain why Kong never was able to leave the island?
Thought I would let you guys know that I will be doing more of these “how to include into the monsterverse” forums. I have a lot of fun making them and talking about them with other Godzilla fans.
I was wondering what Kaiju you guys would like to see me tackle in one of these. For as of right now the next one will likely be one of my favourite Kaiju in the series “the king of Okinawa” king Caesar.
Btw, the Kaiju that you want to see me tackle next do have to be a bit more difficult to explain in a grounded universe. For example Anguirus, Varan, Baragon, Gorosaurus, destroyah, etc already kind of fit in a grounded universe. Give me a challenge like Gigan or MechaGodzilla.
what would $2800 get them? Im not clear why they only need so little?
Like I said, he would still have the wings since he was born with them? Since its still part cyborg maybe we can take some liberties here.
If Gigan is going to turn into a female Kaiju, than I do not want him to look fully like a female muto. For example I don’t want Gigan to have 6 legs. If the male muto just gets some elements from the female muto (probably her size and her stronger legs) than I would be fine with that.
btw, I do really like that very detailed concept art for muto Gigan. Wasn’t there one of rodan as well?
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That's why I said controversial.
^Im saying if we are going into Alien cyborg technology theories here, if the Alien or whatever terrestrial being somehow collects the Male Muto and looks into its biology, perhaps they would discover this trait and somehow "activate" or "enhance" the process making the male Muto even larger by forcing its sex to change into female.
So even if the male muto is dead, and they perform an alien Frankenstein on this male Muto, they might (somehow, Im not sure here Im just spit balling) be able to "trigger" this change in its sex and make the first ever female Gigan. That is my theory on how to make MUTO into Gigan, and big enough to be a threat to even Godzilla.
but isn't Gigan being a cyborg the thing that makes Gigan so unique? only mecha-king Ghidorah shares the idea and he was only in 1 movie. if they remove the cyborg part from Gigan, it would make him just another Muto.
the male Muto just makes a lot more sense to me. his body is intact and the wounds give the possibility of mechanical parts (especially the chest saw).
about the idea of the male Muto to change gender and grow. I actually really like that idea of the male Muto evolving like that. it makes sense too and I can definitely believe that as a just a person that likes movies. the only question is if this workes when the Muto is dead.
Muto's are said to have a biological system that we don't even understand. this also gives Gigan the stronger legs to stay upright.
+ with the cybernetic upgrades, Gigan would be around Godzilla's size.
You know what would be cool and controversial? if Gigan in the MonsterVerse is a rare variant of MUTO instead of a cyborg?
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That looked so legit, whoever made that did a fantastic job.
That's true, he doesn't have to fight Godzilla. It would be cool to see Rodan and Gigan in the same frame for once.
Maybe the MUTO's have a similar system where when the female dies, the male changes its sex in order to accommodate making eggs, making the male MUTO grow along with having the wings. That would be a game changer.
they could do that. maybe the Muto's have some biological system that the still age even though its dead. another option is if the upgrades make him "look" taller.
for example, the spike on his head could be around 7 meters tall. the fact that he stands upright might ad around 8 meters of height and the feet can get a few meters taller as well. this would mean that Gigan would be around 80 meters tall or something.
btw, Gigan doesn't necessarily need to fight Godzilla. maybe he could fight Rodan, Mothra or Anguirus seeing as I think those monsters would be around the same height/smaller as Gigan.
It would be cool to see a Gigan with a backstory in this Universe. and I would not shy away from a concept like this. If only the size of the beast could be heightened and explained I would back this story.
Maybe the Male Muto was not done growing? perhaps the male MUTO was still in its infancy? A still maturing male MUTO that still needed to grow to be more of an Adult? IDk. Im sure there are a bunch of holes in that one. Just throwing out ideas.
thereal9thdoctor
they could do that. but the thing is that if Gigan is just another space monster, it would not have the same feeling to it. if the male Muto ends up being Gigan, it would be the first time we would have seen Gigan before he gets turned into a cyborg. with my idea of male Muto being Gigan, it would be a version of Gigan we have never seen before.
why would an alien monster even be more believable than the Muto idea? the Muto we already knew from 2014 movie doesn't need an explanation, whilst a new monster for Gigan would need an entire backstory that could take away some other important time from the movie.
if Giga appears in the last movie of the monsterverse, it would all come full circle seeing as the Muto was the first villain of the monsterverse and will be one of the last.
btw thanks to riggzamortis86 and The Jurassic Bootleg for the positive feedback.
hell Yeah! I need to see this!. @NateZilla10000, I agree. Im very surprised no one has just bought the whole thing up!? Im sure this will get funded in no time.
A bit late to the discussion, but I've never had a problem with using the word "kaiju" to describe a creature specifically patterned after and meant to emulate the kaiju genre, regardless of its country of origin. Usually if it's something that is most often called a kaiju in Japan, I don't have a problem with calling it a kaiju in the context of English as long as it is very clearly intentionally meant to be like one. The best example I point to is Gorgo. His film was released as Kaiju Gorgo in Japan, and to this day he is unique among western monsters for being considered a true "kaiju" in the exact same vein as Gappa, Guilala, etc. Gorgo occasionally receives merchandise in lines that cover Japanese-only monsters and the film is often played in double features along with Gappa and other movies like that. I'd say Gorgo is an exception and not the rule, but he's still very evidently considered to belong to the same genre in the genre's country of origin, and the filmmakers behind Gorgo were very obviously emulating the kaiju eiga of Japan.
There is a gray area though where some terms are used universally for something in Japan while in the west they are specific to the Japanese variant of that thing alone. Examples being all animation being called anime, supervillains and mutants being called kaijin, and many types of special effects around the world being called tokusatsu. I get why there's a concern that the term can become way too watered down, because a lot of people are using it for every new Hollywood giant monster that comes along.
The thing is kaiju isn't really used for every giant monster in Japan. From what I've learned going through Japanese websites and books for Wikizilla, Japanese and western monsters of many sizes are often just called monsutaa, with other monsters being called anything from bakemono, kaibutsu, obake, and so on. Kaiju is still a relatively selective term among monsters in Japan, even if its literal meaning could be applied to any "strange beast." It's usually used for the Japanese giant monsters we all think of from Godzilla, Ultraman, Gamera, etc. But it was also used for King Kong and the Rhedosaurus, who both came before Godzilla really defined the term. Since then, it's only really used in Japan for non-Japanese monsters that clearly are based on and attempt to emulate what are universally seen as kaiju. Examples being Gorgo, Reptilicus, Yonggary, Clover, the M.U.T.O.s, and so on. The monsters from the upcoming Rampage movie are being called kyoju (giant beasts) in the film's Japanese title and marketing, so the term kaiju isn't being applied to them even in Japan.
So to sum up, I'm not really opposed to using the term kaiju for monsters like Clover, Gorgo, or even King Kong. These are monsters that, in the case of Gorgo and Clover, came about because western filmmakers were directly inspired by kaiju eiga and wanted to do their own takes on the concept, and as a result are unambiguously considered kaiju in Japan. In Clover's case it's even more explicit with the tie-in Cloverfield/KISHIN manga, which went out of its way to follow many more standard Japanese kaiju tropes. J.J. Abrams was adamant about how Clover only existed because of kaiju eiga, and ensured that the film received special treatment in Japan, with exclusive merchandise, artwork, and other things not released for the film anywhere else. In Kong's case, he arguably helped define the term before it was finally applied to and cemented by Godzilla. And since then he has been incorporated into Japanese media and unambiguously made a kaiju in Toho's library.
That's just my two cents. I understand why some people are concerned that the term is being watered down and losing its meaning, but I personally think there are some cases where the term "kaiju" is appropriate for monsters that may not necessarily be Japanese in origin.
See but the reason I see the King Kong from Toho as a kaiju while, say, the 2005 Kong remains merely a giant monster is because Toho's Kong is clearly different from being just a giant gorilla. He's upright, has a contorted face, and he's supercharged by lightning. Meanwhile Percy Jackson's Kong is just a giant silverback. There are clear characteristics outside of nationality that make these two different.
"while a Japanese athlete can be just as much of an athlete as an American, the fact is, one is still Japanese and the other is American."
Of course. I'm not arguing the individual nationality. But what I'm saying is that the label of being an athlete does not change with nationality. But all of a sudden, a monster's country of origin does change what it's labeled as? That doesn't make sense.
NateZilla10000,
The same way that the Japanese incarnation of Kong is a kaiju and not merely a "giant monster". I suppose one could argue that he's both, given the crossover, does the monster itself leave its cultural roots? Perhaps not, but while a Japanese athlete can be just as much of an athlete as an American, the fact is, one is still Japanese and the other is American.
"They are still the same athlete, just playing for a different team and city."
But at the end of the day, they're still an athlete. A Japanese baseball player is as much a baseball player as an American baseball player; the nationalities do not change what they are.
I understand classifying Godzilla as a MUTO in universe, but not classifying Godzilla 2014 in general as a kaiju still befuddles me. If we agree that Godzilla 2014 is Godzilla, and that Godzilla at his core is the modern definition of a kaiju, then how is it at all possible that an incarnation of Godzilla isn't a kaiju?
EmptyH,
At most you can listen to it again. The Godzilla Theme here pretty much proves it's a timeless piece that can work in a modern movie and would absolutely fit the MonsterVerse:
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Just like King Kong moves from classification to another in the monster world from kaiju to MUTO to giant monster, respectively. Godzilla also shares the privilege of nomad between monster universes.
Its not that I don't think less of G14 for it. Its just the way it goes. He still is Godzilla no matter what country makes a movie about him(once again excluding 98 zilla). Its like when an athlete goes and plays for another team. They are still the same athlete, just playing for a different team and city.
Strong rebuttal, riggzamortis86. Don't think I could have drawn a better comparison or have any more to add that helps. Well said.
He's an alien creature made into a cyborg. No need for a revamp. It's to me more believable than the MUTO thing.
I like it.
I hope it gets funded. The world needs a giant Buddha smashing buildings!
thought I would make a picture with the wings closed. personally, think it worked out really well.
Only $2,805?
I'm surprised one of the more "upper class" fans from the tokusatsu community hasn't just bought the whole thing yet.
We as a community have gotten $50k + projects funded before.
I hope this gets funded.
I would love to buy that
Of duckbill-zilla? Nope. I just don't like the design. Especially the face.
I probably wouldn’t. Not one of my favorite designs.
I would consider it.
wait , it's not real ?
I would definitely.
