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Using Cash Money is very cash money of you
I love Transformers 1987
Condescension is not very nice and not very Cash Money
sarcasticgoji and monster_zero
I never sed that the sh monsterarts gigan was bad, i just wouldve preffered a showa gigan figure or a special color version insteade of just more accesories for regular gigan
Joke here
MechaGodzilla: Is this your coronation Rodan? This is Bad Comedy!
Rodan: King Ghidorah is that you?
MechaGodzilla: Take a hint! *ZAP*
On the topic of Apex, for Ghidorah, I'd say Master of Puppets by Metallica (y'know cause he basically puppeteered all those titans)
You should do it.
Reminds me, I still gotta write my fanfic, I'll get around to it sometime
Ok so I know Rainbow Factory is a MLP fan song but for real it's actually pretty good and it somewhat sets up the mood of Apex
APEX's....uh....R A I N B O W F A C T O R Y
ok that was a joke
And, oh yeah! Another idea I had for Mecha was Change the Formality kind of works, because, y'know he was built to kill kaiju and kaiju restore balance, henceforth 'formality'
mecha g would win if he could throw godzilla across the city like a light rock he could probably throw gypsy danger
Oh boy i love Clair de Lune
OH YEAH! That reminds me! Another of Lazy's suggestions, for Rodan, Ready to Die by Andrew WK.
I, personally for Rodan (although i'm more speaking for the Heisei one but the Monsterverse one counts too), Fix Me by 10 Years.
I would put a revamped Pacific Rim theme for Mecha G.
Godzilla should keep his theme
Kong should get welcome to the jungle by guns n roses
Mothra should have Clair De Lune by Imagine Music
Rodan should get ThunderStruck by AC/DC
Ghidorah should have the theme for Mysterio from Spider-Man Far From Home....
And neca isn’t producing goji figures anymore
although tbh, the Mecha situation reminds me of a conversation i had with Lazy, and he suggested Red Cold River could work.
oh boy, i do this often. surprisingly not with the monsterverse as much, though.
I kind of always say Mothra's as Come Little Children from Hocus Pocus, but used in a non-malicious way
Godzilla? no clue.
Mecha's is 1-0 by Bondage Fairies because. Just because.
Literally everyone else is a wip, i'll think of it :D
But they aren’t even on the same level.... MechaG lazer breath is stronger then Godzilla’s. It’s durability wouldn’t even matter cuz MechaG will never get touched but it seems like Gypsy danger wouldn’t even be able to scratch it. Even the self destruct won’t hurt MechaG. I mean a cross over would be pretty interesting but their “power levels” are too low compared to the monsterverse. Also: give us the titan war!!!!! GvK could be argued to have set up the titan war between the kongs and the Godzillas for the next movie. They could call it Godzilla vs Kong: Titan War. Explain origin of axe and show us godzillas and kongs battling and dying in a giant chaotic war scene the transformers could be proud of. P.S. director of next movie. There was an ancient human civilization teased in the movies because I know how you guys love putting your humans in there. Also spoiler alert: end the war with monster zero coming to earth at the end of the movie and the King Kong of the time and Godzilla battle it in the South Pole and defeat it and it gets frozen in the ice somehow where we see it in KOTM. Boom! instant $$$$
"Radioactive" by Imagine Dragons could be a good theme song for Godzilla.
I always viewed it as the unofficial theme song for the 2014 film.
The song with 2014:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS9h29bM09Q
The song with King of the Monsters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ugKTEZtsE
Sigh...
"I'm amused you mention, "it’s pretty easy to make a connection between these three plot points" when it took a paragraph that long to connect the dots. I feel like a lot of this reads as fan conjecture--"
"So there's clearly a misunderstanding or projecting here."
"You're welcome to have that perception, but then I am at liberty to share mine. I have not been looking down at other fans for liking these films, I've merely offered a rebuttal to a topic you yourself have opened. If it seems like I'm coming off as condescending to the Monsterverse films and/or their filmmakers, then it's because I don't think they've done anything to win higher respect--Which, frankly, makes sense as I've made it clear I don't think very highly of all these movies. Two in particular."
"Though it amuses me how I'm accused of it when one of the Monsterverse directors gets a free pass"
"In the name of the father, son and the holy Dougherty, Amen."
This is the condesending attitude that I'm talking about...
you constantly have a snarky tone to your replies, as if you think our thoughts are inferior to your own, acting as if your above us...
Hmmm. I will look far into my childhood and pick out an amazing song for Godzilla.
Sigh... Yet another S.H. figure that I can't afford...
I have waited for something like this. I will look into my classical music.
Yeah, it’s pretty cool
"While they don’t flat out say it in the films, it’s pretty easy to make a connection between these three plot points (an example of show, don’t tell)."
I'm amused you mention, "it’s pretty easy to make a connection between these three plot points" when it took a paragraph that long to connect the dots. I feel like a lot of this reads as fan conjecture--It goes less the way of world building and smacks more of plot convenience for individual filmmakers to tell their own stories. Which is fine, actually. It helps filmmakers put their own stamp on material, but makes a poor argument for continuity. For example: If Godzilla and the MUTO come from a time when the Earth's surface was, "10x more radioactive," and they've remained closer to, "the Earth's core" where they can feed on natural radioactivity, how is Monarch and Apex still alive from their excursion to Hollow Earth? They're closer to the radiation of the core than Serizawa was when he unceremoniously dragged a nuclear weapon to Godzilla and was exposed to fatal amounts of radioactivity. There's some astronomical holes in this logic and I don't believe, "show don't tell" applies when there's no consistency with what they're trying to tell.
"Radiation is never mentioned in the story, but according to your own words, Godzilla is always a metaphor for nuclear weapons. So just because it’s not out right stated that somehow means that it doesn't apply in that certain scenario? If Godzilla always represents nuclear weapons, no questions asked, then wouldn’t the idea of him raising a son be the equivalent of a nuclear warhead having a baby?"
This entire argument hinges on the fallacy that I've said Godzilla is "always a metaphor for nuclear weapons." Please read again, because I did not say that. As a matter of fact, I have been very careful not to say that. I have even made multiple points to say it's not even about the bomb, but how Godzilla has evolved culturally from that metaphor into the post-war. So there's clearly a misunderstanding or projecting here. I submit a paragraph from my first post in this thread:
"But let's ignore the bomb for a moment. Godzilla has been adapted to represent the transition of Japan into capitalism - the marketing that comes with it - the deconstruction of nuclear families - the Cold War - violent attacks on women - nationalism - Japan's pollution issue of the 1970s - the post-war world, etc. To quote Matt Frank, 'the specifics of Godzilla’s creation and narrative relevance have been honed and modified and pushed by over half a century’s worth of cultural evolution, modification, and revolution unique to Japan. That’s why Japanese Godzilla movies hit differently, even when they struggle themselves, compared to the US-made Godzilla movies.'"
Now if an individual story brings the concept or theme of nuclear proliferation, weapons and fears into play, I believe it should honor the character's existence as an outlet for cultural trauma. But if it does not, there's usually some residual meaning of post-war Japan that he takes on. Example: Godzilla's attack on nationalism brought on by post-war sentiments in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah.
"Wait, you stated that those movies ignore the anti nuclear theme, but then you state that they focus on post-war Japan and the issues that “were directly effected by the events following their bombing”. So... which is it? Are the films connected to the atomic bomb or not?"
To quote one of the best lines from Shin Godzilla, "Post-war lasts forever," and the beginning of Japan's post-war can be traced to their defeat after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To help understand, it's probably best to say, "it's all connected." That doesn't mean each film is specifically about the atomic bomb, or atomic-phobia, etc.
Historically, Japan's post-war ignited a plethora of talking points: The rise of capitalism in the country. The rise of pollution in 1970s Japan. The Cold War. The list goes on. Just because events and topics follow or relate back to the bombing, whether it be directly or indirectly, does not mean they are about the bomb. I hope that clarifies Godzilla either being only about the bomb or "something else" and instead helps relay that it all has a socio-politcal connection--Or perhaps evolution.
"So wait, you completely trash on Godzilla vs Kong because it lacks a message and in your eyes “lacks substance”. But now you're saying that King of the Monsters shouldn’t have had a message?"
Not at all. I was referring specifically to its handling of nuclear weapons. I've already stated Dougherty was on the right track by focusing on environmentalism, which the movie probably should've stuck with. There's an element of Eco-fascism to it that isn't very comfortable, but that's an entirely different topic.
"Honestly, all that I’m getting out of this conversation is that you really dislike the MonsterVerse movies because they are made in America. If they were made by Toho I feel like you probably wouldn’t be so negative towards them. Yes, the MonsterVerse has its flaws, I’m not denying that, however relentlessly ripping the films apart while completely ignoring flaws that exist in the Toho films is pretty one-sided and hypocritical. I absolutely love the Toho films (if I didn’t, I wouldn’t be here talking about them) but even I’ll admit that they have their issues."
Absolutely Toho's films have their issues. In fact I'd argue there have only been three or so truly good Godzilla movies in the last 37 years. Most in that time frame have had issues very similar to the Monsterverse in terms of storytelling, but none have made the egregious thematic issues that King of the Monsters has.
The reverse of your accusation is I don't think the Monsterverse would get nearly the praise it has been receiving if it were remade shot-for-shot with Japanese actors and tokusatsu styled effects. If anything it would only reveal how sub-standard they are. I've even asked Monsterverse fans this question point blank and they have admitted their love for these movies wouldn't be the same if Toho or some other Japanese company made them--Which says a lot.
"I don’t want to start an argument, but the fact that you seem to be looking down at other fans and acting like you’re the main authority of this franchise is somewhat irritating. Most of your comments on this subject have come off as kind of condescending to not only the MonsterVerse films and their filmmakers, but the fans of this franchise as well. In your last response you keep mentioning that other fans don’t get something or that they don’t understand a certain issue, and because of that you seem to act like you’re above them, in a way it’s almost insulting. Arrogant attitudes and Gate-Keeping have caused a lot of damage to various fandoms and I don’t want to see the Godzilla fandom suffering the same fate."
You're welcome to have that perception, but then I am at liberty to share mine. I have not been looking down at other fans for liking these films, I've merely offered a rebuttal to a topic you yourself have opened. If it seems like I'm coming off as condescending to the Monsterverse films and/or their filmmakers, then it's because I don't think they've done anything to win higher respect--Which, frankly, makes sense as I've made it clear I don't think very highly of all these movies. Two in particular.
As for me believing fans, and I quote myself here, "misconstrue" things, that's hardly a form of gatekeeping. I've opened up my opinions for scrutiny just as you have. It's what happens when these conversations are made public. I have not, however, resorted to name calling or disrespecting and I've even included sources. I'm not sure what more you want short of agreeing with you--And not everyone is going to. There's certainly far more aggressive discourse out there, including from professionals.
Let's also not rush to the shield of gatekeeping just because someone has an impassioned rebuttal against your opinion. Though it amuses me how I'm accused of it when one of the Monsterverse directors gets a free pass:
"It wouldn't be a true Godzilla film if you didn't touch upon those things, otherwise you're just making a big dumb monster movie. There has to be a sprinkle of it, otherwise you're not being faithful to the original intent of the series. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not a true Godzilla fan." [Source]
In the name of the father, son and the holy Dougherty, Amen.
@monsterzero9
Dude, really? This is an awesome figure!
I like that he actually answered the question.
