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I'm sorry I didn't mean any disrespect when I used the word "Nostalgia" I was just trying to say that sometimes it's hard to except when things we've grown up with change and evolve into something different and fresh. I've loved this character since I was a small child 5 or 6 years old I believe. It's one of the few connections I have remaining  to my dad may he rest in peace. I grew up in a single  parent home for the most part and on the rare days I actually got to spend time with my dad as a child he would introduce me to sci-fi movie such as Godzilla, Star Wars, Star Trek, Close Encounters,etc,etc. So these films hold a special place in my heart. They basically molded me into the 43 year old kid I am today. I still go to movies with the same sense of wonder that I did when I was a child or teen. I've always wanted to see Godzilla "Westernized" if you will. That's not to say that we're better we're just different in our approach to art. I want to see what we could add to this character if we take it seriously and treat it with respect. I'm just happy that appears to be what's going on with this film. 1998 left a really bad taste in my mouth. As a fan that waited so long for that to happen I felt sucker punched with what I got. I also felt that there were people who were seeing Godzilla for the first time that were being cheated and not being given a true Godzilla movie to judge. It felt like a misrepresentation. My point on cgi vs. suitmation was simply this. Let's blow the lid off this time and truly bring this character to a whole new level let's see him in a movie where we are only limited by the filmmaker's imagination not the tools of the trade itself.

@MADISON

Woah, calm down there mate! I'm sure everything will work out!

There are making a moble game if i remember correctly.

I guess Youtube just hates me then :-(

My youtube page has similar results to yours, except in Godzilla's place, I have a Kanye West video, and a Guardian of the Galaxy spot. 

Can I just say that this is one of the worst derailed train wrecked of a thread iv ever made I meen there are only two or three post's on here that acctualy talk about the thread at hand, huh but I digress they were kinda fun opinion shares.

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I see it in my browser as well, on YouTube.

I sign out and the trailer still there, in the main page and the movies section:

youtube has acting weird these days...

Kaijugroupie84, I agree with you. we shouldn't be downsizing bits and pieces of Godzilla's design at this point, it just doesn't make any sense. now, i'm not saying that what Gojira5454 is saying is "bad", he's got his own opinions and thats fine, but i'm just stating that nit-picking is not a good idea. I just don't want there to be more fights like there were a couple months ago.

In 2011 I bought one of those Godzilla figures, I painted it like Burnign Godzilla, it was a gift for my nephew. Check the final result:

Compared it with my Godzilla-Zilla figures at that year:

It is good to know that even a weird Godzilla like this can look very good with a little paint over it. :o)

instinctive, this thread will need a lock

Maybe the SFX are not as good as Pacific Rim´s, but is way better than Peter Jackson´s King Kong and James Cameron´s Avatar, so its pretty cool for me ;D

@Akagi

Do you think tokustatsu will ever make a comeback? I'm rather skeptical, personally. But... like you said... #wishfulthinking

@Valkorin

I think you mean "symbolism." Symbology is the study of symbols. That doesn't make a lot of sense. In any case it's hard to take away any symbolism in the trailer without a proper context of the scene. You could be right, but as of now any metaphors are purely speculative.

So I like...JUST NOW noticed that in the trailer, when Godzilla is rising out of the ocean next to the island....you can see IN THE SHOT the little bomb on it's wooden stand that was shown close-up in the shot before it. So Godzilla rising up actually triggered it (unless it was triggered remotely) and the white flash was the detonation. 

I'm sure I'm probably late to the party on this revelation, but eh, no harm, no foul. 

Before, I just thought it was a fade-out to white to show a separate shot of the same location being bombed in a separate scene, instead of it actually being one continuous shot, with the bomb included and everything.

Anyways, not directly on topic.

To answer your actual question: The FIRST nuclear tests were done in the 40's sure, but nowhere did they say that the FIRST tests were what awoke Godzilla. After that, nuclear testing continued, and was conducted on regular basis by several developed countries well into the 1990's. It's implied/assumed that it was these later tests which are relevant to the events in the film. 

As a side note, pretty much the only countries which do nuclear testing anymore are countries with relatively new nuclear programs, and even many of those are cold/sub-critical and/or underground tests. Basically nobody full-scale mushroom clouds islands/deserts anymore. 

It IS a bootleg, a pirate copy, but funny as it is, it looks like a Sowa Godzilla.

The price in my country is of Q.60.00 ($.7.50). It is very large and perfect for the kids that like to play hard with the toys, specially those which want to put it in the water.

I have the same toy, but in orange, its a pirate toy made in china, like guategojira said.

I like it.

GMAN you bring up a great point acctualy about the differnce in movie styles from east to west, and Ill agree with you that when it comes to symbolism and makeing it's own niche design that spawned other movies of the same kind, so in that sence yes the 54 Godzilla is trully supirior to any of the later movies, but also the reason this Godzilla will be able to go toe to toe with the 54 movie is because it will cary with it an inhanced perspective of the 54's symbolism, ok im not being clear enough......uhhhhh........Yes great example during the trailer right after Godzilla enters the bay and starts to ise out of the water, the next scene is a huge tidal wave that roars through whatever city they were in, now if you ask me the fact that Godzilla just getting out of the water and causeing a tsunami is really representitive of his symboligy of "the wrath of nature" and "a walking natural disaster", and how they explain that they nuked Godzilla after they woke him is really reminisent in my opinion of the original Godzilla's "nuclear weapons" symbolism, of course I dont know how mutch more than that is symbolic in the movie so ill stop here.

P.S. I didnt acctualy say anything about nastalgia being the reason I like suitmation, it was acctualy kind of a slap to the face to hear something so dissrespectful.

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Sometimes I have a really hard time buying CGI'd landscapes. I think they look less organic than miniatures. Most modern films still use miniatures-- and I can always tell when a background is greenscreened or handmade, its so easy to tell when a film is made inside a studio and not on the street/out in the wild.

This entire debate is very... subjective. There is no other way to describe it. Everyone can fly around in circles-- but its still all opinions. I've seen some amazing CGI that has made my jaw drop-- but on the flipside, I've seen some puppetry and suitmation that is so damn good you'd almost think it real.

Let us not sit back and insult the Godzilla heritage because it doesn't live up to weird modern standards-- lets enjoy this new take on Godzilla as a breath of fresh air.

At the end of the day, I'm still going to celebrate his return to Tokusatsu when it finally happens again-- I'm still praying Keita Amemiya makes a Godzilla movie someday. #wishfulthinking 

^That's a design element I miss about Godzilla. His early Showa designs looked rough, inconsistant and chiseled. Heisei, Millennium and the 2014 versions don't really get that across very well anymore. Not so much a criticism as an observation.

The Trinity bomb test, the result of the Manhattan Project, took place in Alamogordo, New Mexico on July 16, 1945, NOT in the Pacific Ocean.  "Manhattan Project" refers to the general process of research and development of nuclear weapons, not to any actual nuke itself, and never really occured in any single place, let alone on an island.  Little Boy and Fat Man were the two bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima (August 6, 1945, NOT July 16) and Nagasaki (August 9, 1945, also NOT July 16) respectively.  Little Boy and Fat Man were neither "tests" (they were actual wartime bombings) nor done in the Pacific (unless you count Japan itself as "in" the Pacific).

As far as the year 1954 is concerned, that is most likely referring to the Operation Castle series of nuke tests, which DID take place in the Pacific Ocean.  The first of these tests was Castle Bravo in the Bikini Atoll, the largest nuclear bomb ever tested by the United States.

It's different, it's original, who cares.  It's Godzilla's chest, let's not do the whole foot thing again.  He looks like Godzilla, let's leave it at that.

God... the moment I saw that part I was thinking "All the fans are going to assume its rodan".

I'm pretty much 99% certain its not. 

@Madison

Love that article. I've kept it saved for awhile now. More articles like it should be written.

Godzilla wasn't mutated in the original film, only scarred by the bomb. Read anything about the creation of the film, they meant for him to look 'scarred and enraged' by the bomb-- even earlier designed showed his skin as being burnt and charred. 

He's right, if you know your history, you'll notice that nuclear tests were very common due to the Cold War. Tests of nuclear weapons were executed all throughout the 40's to 60's.

He brought this up in another thread. I still don't get why he thinks those two bombs are what was shown in the trailer when they say it's 1954. Castle Bravo was in 1954 and has generally been considered what awoke Godzilla. My original reply:

@M4inchan

Exactly where are you getting the idea that these were the 1945, tests? Operation Castle Bravo tested 6 dry fuel Hydrogen Bombs in 1954 in the Pacific Ocean. They're most likely referring to those tests.

Also the original movie does not state anywhere that fallout from an atomic bomb mutated Godzilla from Rongerik Island. The Godzillasaurus theory wasn't brought into the Godzilla series until 1991 when Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah was released. In the original film, Godzilla is not a Godzillasaurus mutated from the atomic bomb. He's simply some long dormant, perhaps evolved, aquatic/land animal that has survived and been awoken by the bomb.

@ Danielle No it hasn't. It only seems that way.

-Godzilla on the cover of the magazine is being lit by flares, giving him a brownish hue to his skin. If you look at it close enough;hes gray-ish black

-His lip is curled up in the Brazil picture, giving the impression that his teeth are bigger and more prominent, in the magazine they are not. Its the same principal as when your dog curls his lip and starts growling at the mailman.

-The plates and gills only seem more prominent because its a close up. The magazine cover has godzilla at a distance. 

Face it folks, the Brazil photo is part of the final design, or atleast the advertising angle. He didn't look brown at all in the trailer. You're just seeing him from different angles.

Want me to elaborate why? WELL.

For starters.

http://www.godzilla-movies.com/community/forums/topic/31380

Party favors are using that design.

http://www.godzilla-movies.com/news/1573

Lets not forget the Neca figure reveal, as you can see all these Godzilla products sporting that exact Godzilla head that was used in the Brazil picture.

This will be great when embargo lifts and everyone can see what my friends at toyfair saw-- that Brazil Godzilla head was EVERYWHERE. If it were a place holder, it wouldn't be plastered allover everything

Its the final design, just because it looks slightly different in action, or in full CGI as opposed to an illustration-- doesn't change that it is indeed it. Just because Godzilla looks a little more friendly from a down angle, with him looking up, doesn't mean he won't look a lot meaner if you're looking up at him. 

@GMAN2887 or anyone else who is interested:

This not exactly on point with the discussion, but it's in the ballpark, or maybe the outside parking lot, and I thought it was interesting. 

It's a NY Times article talking about the decline of tokusatsu, and it's kind of tragic in that there are few young film makers in Japan who know how to work with rubber suits and miniature sets. Once this film-making generation ages out, there is not another to pick up the mantle. 

I'm not really making any judgements or analysis, positive or negative, I just thought it was a cool read. 

Anyways, here is the link: Rubber-Suit Monsters Fade. Tiny Tokyos Relax.

@BIGBADBEN

I'm doing well.

I sign in very rarely, usually whenever something big is released regarding the movie.

Mostly I just browse the site without signing in and interject when I feel it's nessisary.

I made a few posts here back in December, so the 6-8 month figure is innacurate.

And I honestly haven't the slightest about the whereabouts of MRRADIATION, who the "other 3" are you speak of or what you think you have on me.

There were plenty of Nuclear tests in the Pacific during the 50's. I think those tests are what they are referring to, the ones on the Islands in the Pacific, notably the Marshall Islands.

The info is in the link: Pacific Proving Grounds: Nuclear Tests

Here are the details about the 1954 tests: Operation Castle -

'The Castle Bravo test of 1954 spread nuclear fallout across the Marshall Islands, parts of which were still inhabited.'

Main article: Operation Castle

'Six very large nuclear tests were conducted at the Bikini Atoll and the Enewetak Atoll as part of Operation Castle in 1954. The most notable was Castle Bravo, which was the first deployable (dry fuel) hydrogen bomb developed by the United States. Its yield, at 15 Mt was over twice as powerful as was predicted, and was the largest weapon ever detonated by the United States. It spread nuclear fallout over a wide area, including the Enewetak Atoll, Rongerik Atoll, Ailinginae Atoll, and Rongelap Atoll. An evacuation ensued, but many of the natives exposed suffered from cancers and a high incidence of birth defects. A Japanese fishing boat, the Daigo Fukuryu Maru, was additionally exposed and resulted in one death from radiation sickness, which gained considerable international attention.'

@M4inchan

Exactly where are you getting the idea that these were the 1945, tests?

Operation Castle Bravo tested 6 dry fuel Hydrogen Bombs in 1954 in the Pacific Ocean. They're most likely referring to those tests.

Also the original movie does not state anywhere that fallout from an atomic bomb mutated Godzilla from Rongerik Island. The Godzillasaurus theory wasn't brought into the Godzilla series until 1991 when Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah was released.

In the original film, Godzilla is not a Godzillasaurus mutated from the atomic bomb. He's simply some long dormant, perhaps evolved, aquatic/land animal that has survived and been awoken by the bomb.

theres a thread with a news article about this toy, you will see the responses there

I've already made a thread on this but really?

"In 1954 we awakened something"
Coincidentally this is when the first Godzilla movie was released.
Okay. Sounds good.

a few seconds later...

"There were nuclear tests in the Pacific."
This is referring to Trinity (Fat Man, Little Boy, and a third code-name for a nuke that I do not recall). These tests were conducted on July 16, 1945. Let me repeat that. 1945 NOT 1954.

Now now wait a second. So they're saying they awakened Godzilla (1954) and the nuclear "test" (1945) were an attempt to kill it? Heck they even got the island in which the Manhattan Project (1942 to 1946) occurred.
But really now. How is a test situated a whole DECADE BEFORE Godzilla's awakening have to do with the bombing projects?

According to the original movie...
"Before being mutated by the nuclear fallout of atomic bomb tests performed on an island called Rongerik, which is close to Lagos Island, the island where Godzilla lived, Godzilla was a Godzillasaurus that had somehow survived the extinction of the dinosaurs in the late Cretaceous era."

@Valkorin and Reggie1138

I think you're mistaken when you mention nostalgia being a major factor here. Everything you two mentioned about what you enjoy for the sake of immersion is interesting to me because I've actually done a lot research on Westerner's infatuation with realism in film visuals. It sounds like you enjoy observing film visual effects through what I like to call a "western lense." It's not a bad thing, necessarily, but it's something that western culture has convinced itself to percieve as high art, or the correct way to use visual wizardry.

Again, nothing wrong with it, it's just how many of us have grown up. Including myself. It's taken years to break myself from it and understand why the original Godzilla series was so widely accepted. The "Eastern lense" is less about realism and more about objects representing something that isn't real. You could compare it to on stage theatre, for example. Their perception of how effects wizardry can be used is, arguably, more open minded.

For example, GodzillaFan1995 omitted post-1991 films from his list of good special effects. Granted, I thought a lot of the Heisei series' special effects were weak, but not because of the advances made by Hollywood at the time, but because of the advances made by other movies using the same visual style. (The Gamera Trilogy, Ultraman) It's not supposed to look real. It's supposed to look "theatrical." And that's practically been the case since the 1960s.

Unfortunately, the "Eastern lense" is being broken by western artistry-- as evident with the current Godzilla and tokusatsu's slow death in Japan. I just hope when the Western lense fully takes over people remember that tokusatsu was made with a specific look, feel and purpose in mind. Not simply because it was, "the best they could do at the time" or nostalgia.

On a slightly different note, although it's fun to see a different take on Godzilla I think it's important to remember that with the new movie's visual approach, Godzilla is not king. In Japan Godzilla birthed an entire genre and visual style to filmmaking. Rodan, Gamera, Ultraman and Super Sentai are all based on Godzilla. Here, Godzilla is based on other franchise's work; using tools and techniques that were mainly birthed in the early 1990s by James Cameron with The Abyss and Terminator 2 and Steven Spielberg with Jurassic Park. Today, it's nothing nearly as unique as the special effects styles Godzilla started with.

I'm mostly of the same opinion as Akagi. I'm not so much excited because I think the visual presentation is better, but because it's different for this particular series. That alone is worth getting excited for.

Anyway, you provided an interesting example of the Western Lense. I guess that's all I really wanted to point out. And again, it's nothing negative.

the red glow is the nuclear energy

Well said, Reggi1138. :)

I hope the new monster is a challenge for godzilla and then there could be more monsters that would be great even though godzilla has had some enemys that almost killed godzilla like Super mecha godzilla 2 that was a great movie i hope i get to see the movie and the new enemy!

it ok i will give it a 7/10

also from bomb testing in tokyo and mutated a Dino named Godzillasaurus when the nuke hit the body it mutaded him to a epic master peace of art.

@ Akagi

Actually, the design has changed quite a bit. The skin tone, the teeth, and even the neck.

-Godzilla has this brownish, greyish skin color.

-His teeth don't stick out as much.

-And the plates and gills aren't as prominent as they are in the Brazil poster.