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This is a purely subjective choice, not saying my selection is better than others, just my pick:

1. Gojira (1954), don't think there is another real choice for the 50's. Godzilla Raids Again was charming, but it can't compare to the sheer power of the original.

2.  King Kong vs Godzilla (1962), strange choice perhaps, since the 60's offer the introduction of the other classic kaijus, but it's my nostalgic favorite.

3. Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla (1974), we get to see Mecha for the first time, 'nuff said.

4. Godzilla vs Biollante (1989): The movie is uneven, but the design of Biollante is kinda neat, almost like Toho's take on the Little Shop of Horrors.

5. Godzilla vs Destroyah (1995): We get to see the burnt form Godzilla, and his "death" was unexpectedly touching. Good stuff. 

3. GMK (2001): Good movie, I like how it recaptured the terror and horrific nature of Godzilla. 

I'll only remark on a couple of them because honestly it's an objectively good list for newcomers even if some of the most "popular" films in the series aren't my personal favorites, but I would only say that Ghidorah The Three Headed Monster is a good one to select for the 60s because of the KOTM 2019 factor, being able to point to it and say "Look, here's a major inspirational source for the new movie coming out to compare to!", aside from the fact that it's a really strong movie anyway with a famous Bond girl.

The only other I would remark on is the 80s, honestly by modern standards and especially for non-fans 1985 can be pretty dull and would say Biollante is the stronger choice, it's more inherently entertaining, has better pacing and a more out there plot that does a good job of balancing the kaiju fighting with the humans vs. Godzilla element present in a lot of the modern films, that might jive better for a night with friends, but obviously that's just personal thoughts and you'll condense it down to what you feel is best.

I started a similar topic not long ago: http://www.godzilla-movies.com/topic/48132

Like several other masterful movies, Godzilla: Final Wars doesn't spoon-feed the viewers. As time passed by, new details about the movie come up. There are way too many subtle details that are not typically recognized at first. Eg, Godzilla "talk" with Anguirus, Reverse pollen attack by Mothra, her returning to Monster Island, Manda in Norway oceans probably homage to the great serpent in Viking folklore, etc

Godzilla: Final Wars is like a closing chapter of the Godzilla Saga (Kind of quoting the movie), as such Final Goji ends up turning into a version of Godzilla that possesses unlimited power (Keizer Godzilla), in this way cementing that this is it, the last form of Godzilla regardless of other version that would come up (Graphic novels, Godzilla Earth etc), and what will come in the future, this Keizer Godzilla is, and will be King.

If we go by weight and size, the monsters in Godzilla: Final Wars are very much probably stronger than their past counterparts.

There are too many forums and topics detailing the feats of Final Goji, that it would be quite tiresome to state them again.

My original question had to do with trying to find a number to scale how powerful Keizer Godzilla is, instead of the "unlimited power" route.

By the way, I guess it was an oversight, but the wikizilla page for FinalGoji the character wasn't corrected along with the movie's synopsis.  

Final Wars complete works is set to arrive in January so I guess I'll necro the thread to post my findings :)

Cecegames02: Make sense, are you saying the old Toho series don't make sense?

Either way, without any new updates on contract negotiations or advertising, it's highly unlikely any new Toho monsters will be appearing.

The 4 big stars is already pushing the bracket as is.

Anytime I mention MUTO in conversation with casual movie goers, even when the topic is the film, I am paid a blank stare. Almost beating Godzilla and having its head strung up in the sequel is nice and all, but hardly a form of iconic status.

Even in the fandom the MUTO are bottom rung monsters. They'll probably be remembered as well as Orga and Megaguirus--Though I feel that's optimistic.

I remember them, and I'm sure plenty of other general audiences do. The filmmakers remember them enough to include flashback scenes and the female's head, too.

Plus, these are the monsters that nearly killed Godzilla together, and they showed some great onscreen chemistry through their bond. Can't say that about a lot of Toho's monsters.

Besides that, the franchise can't always piggyback off of adapted old favourites. Gotta infuse some new blood, get some real creative juices flowing. Combining that with the adapted favourites is honestly the best course; keeps things fresh whilst also pandering to nostalgia.

"Toho's canon fodder kaiju"

Because there's no scenario where Legendary's original monsters would be forgettable canon fodder.

Xenotaris the reason those would be good films is because, unlike the original Godzilla films by Toho, the Legendary films would have a plot that makes sense to a newer generation.

I think it might be an original kaiju, because that would be cool if the monsterverse adds more kaiju to the roster rather reusing Toho's canon fodder kaiju

I just love how these hypothetical films tend to be rip-offs of previous made movies without going in a new direction for these kaiju. Come up with some new like original kaiju and original alien species, stop re-using the 'same old, same old' material from previous godzilla movies.

Words escape me.

Beautiful. As soon as they become available on T shirts... they will be flying off the hangers so to speak and I want to get all of them.

Pure gold!!!

Anything is possible for the future monsterverse. But we'll have to see just how much staying power it has. Unlike the long track record of the Marvel Universe or the critic-proof Transformer series, we don't know at this point just how durable the monsterverse is. 

So we'll just have to take it one movie at a time and not get ahead of ourselves. Sure, I would love to see a stand-alone Mothra and Rodan movie or another Destroy All Monsters (which KoTM kinda is actually).

But the key is that they need to focus on making a good movie for each entry in the series and not get too distracted with trying to build an interconnected universe. In other words, they need put the priority on telling good stories first and not focus on trying to build a larger universe. That comes later. Otherwise I fear the Monsterverse will become another "Dark Universe", the supposed-franchise from Universal that crashed and burned before it even started. Universal was so focused on building a universe of their own with the Mummy, they forgot to they tell a good story in the first place.

Cecegames02: I don't mind seeing Ebirah again, if done right. The thing is though, Ebirah is essential one big lobster, and lobsters live in water, not the ground. So it wouldn't make much sense for a lobster to emerge from the ground rather than water. 

I don't know about you guys, but I definitely think the claws are Ebirah. Guessing you guys know what Ebirah looks like, so I'll show the evidence.

Here's a shot of the claws from the trailer.

Now, here's a shot of a scrapped Kaiju from Godzilla 2014

Now, take a look at a picture of Ebirah.

I don't know about you people, but I feel kinda bad for our lobster friend. Looks to me like he's been thrown around but never put in a movie. =( #LobsterLivesMatter

as for the giant dude coming out of the ground, I think it's Anguirus. With the most popular and most known Kaiju, Anguirus is kind of the "Earth" or "Green" Element, with Godzilla being "Water" or "Blue", Ghidorah being "Lightning" or "Yellow" Mothra being "Holy/light" or "White" and Rodan being "Fire" or "Red/orange"

Plus, you can see spikes on its back, so there's also that.

Also, if you look closely at the bottom left side of the big hump coming out of the ground, you can see the faint shape of Anguirus' head and horns.

Over time I am starting to like the 2014/2015 game more, but we all know that there is way more potential with a kaiju game than the game gave us.

Also, I'm interested to see your post on a game.

Thanks, I thought it would be the closest the Monsterverse could get to including Zilla. It would just be a need reference :)

Thank you so much. If the monsterverse ever has some sort of Destroy all monsters movie, I am hoping that it will be a war between earth kaiju and cyborg kaiju (off course Gigan would be part of this). Along with Gigan could be Mechagodzilla, Mecha-King Ghidorah and some new cyborg kaiju (Mecha-Mothra or Mecha-Skullcrawler?)

Well, it has never been confirmed that the monsterverse is going to end, but yeah hope it continues as well.

also, I feel my King Caesar's story would work better in the new Toho cinematic universe than in the Monsterverse. Fortunately, this topic could fit with the TCU as well :)

I like the little refrence you put to Godzilla '98, and it's funny you did, because I just watched Godzilla 1998 recently, and heard one of the scientists mistake Godzilla for an overgrown Allosaurus.

Small world, huh?

KaijuWorld you are a genius. I said to a friend of mine that the MUTO (Specifically the Male) Looks like Gigan but he said "No Way." However, I do like the idea of the aliens (Probably the Xiliens) taking the MUTOs corpse and reviving him (almost like with King Ghidorah in the heisei era where he is turned into Mecha-King Ghidorah)

I agree we need a good modern Kaiju game. the 2014/2015 Godzilla game was a let-down for me because It's only 1 player. Alex Merdich's Daikaiju Battle Royale is fun, but it gets boring after a while and playing 2 player is hard. I think I'll make a post about a modern Kaiju game.

I like the storyline! it's a great storyline, but it's sad that Godzilla V Kong is going to be the last Monsterverse movie. Hopefully Toho will like the movies so much that they'll renew Legendary's licence for a few more years so they can make more movies.

To that, I say "Black Panther"

so tru lol

All the facts so far seem to heavily imply that Ghidorah is some kind of extraterrestrial origin, much like the Showa and now Anime incarnations.

Plus, with a space origin, the space race could easily be used as a backdrop for the classic "old B-roll conspiracy footage" intro that has become a staple of the Monsterverse.

EmptyH: Where did anyone say they are "proving" this as verified fact? We are all just speculating. This is no "shaky ground" when we are not proving a fact. 

So no offense, but you really seem to have problems with reading comprehension there...

Considering the Book of Revelation is a giant metaphor burrito wrapped in a metaphor blanket wrapped in a metaphor house, using it as proof of anything is the shakiest of grounds to make any proclamations.

If you do want to take that passage literally, it honestly doesn't turn out that bad for us. It's just a bunch of weird looking locusts that will torture but not kill us.

Not saying he isn't an alien. Just saying it doesn't prove anything.

Dougherty seems to confirm the alien origin of Ghidirah, look at his quote of the Ghidorah poster, taken from the Bible:

“They have as king over them, the angel of the Abyss. A star fallen from heaven to earth, he opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like that of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened...”

A star fallen from heaven to earth, yup, that's pretty clear indication that Ghidorah came from space and fell to Earth. My theory is that he was probably beaten before by Godzilla in prehistoric times and ended up frozen until now.

Yeah Gamers needs to be added. After all he saves the world and loves children.

Oh, awesome! I just love that shot of UGoji and I wish there were more like it, shots where he looks extremely predatory and saurian. Thanks so much!

Gman with the subtleties ;) hahaha

Okay, very funny, Gman with a small "m".

I can take the hint :P

It's not a shot from the movie, it's a production photo taken by an on-set photographer for publicity. (The fact you can see the bare, plywood set under Godzilla's foot is a giveaway. Effects crews normally cover that up better.)

This was the first color image of Godzilla from the film--released July 1st, 2004 in an unspecified Japanese newspaper. The article confirmed this was when Godzilla was charging at Anguirus.

(The first image of Godzilla was a black & white photo from another newspaper.)

Wow, thank you! That is just incredibly satisfying to hear, somehow. Please do keep me updated on anything you find, and I'll be sure to do the same once the book arrives. I really appreciate your help!

I actually have another question; feel free to ignore it if I'm draining your time too much, you've already been an incredible help. I was wondering where this shot of FinalGoji is from in the movie:

Someone asked about it on reddit and I do agree with them when they say it just looks incredibly good on-screen when Godzilla's tail is above the ground like a real dinosaur's. I also really love that UGoji is amortal and has prominent lips like every other Goji that cover his teeth completely like human lips except when he talks and tells and his whole body including his teeth and eyes and claws and talons and tail and ears is one platonic constant and form and unbreakable and also instantly regenerates without costing anythingmade from nothing and UGoji's arms and legs are so much more circular and harder and much more muscular and longer than human length and are infinitely fast to be instantaneous and omnipresent on top of being actually omnipresent and that his dorsal plates/osteoderms are indestructible and regenerate instantly and are permanently part of UGoji and that they're flat or little bumps and don't light up or glow at all when UGoji uses any of his breath variations and upgrades and shapes and variations that cover the entire EM spectrum without losing damage or his pulses or melee pulses and magnetism and telekinesis and space flight and he can breathe and survive in the vacuum of space and he doesn't need to breathe anything at all and doesn't need any sustenance etc.. I also like how UGoji's shoulders are the same width as his hips and I like how UGoji is amortal and omnipotent and omniscient and omnipresent and uses his omnipotent indestructible and amortal body to effortlessly and weightlessly and masslessly flick KGhidorah into space at FTL INSTANTANEOUSLY UNLIMITED SPEEDS and out of orbit from the ground and then instantaneously eraseabsorbs KGhidorah with his tail SPIKESTAB STRIKEDS absorberase tail spikestab and/or stretchy fingertailsspikestab AND FINGERNAILSTAILSPIKESTAB and/or his breath or nose and/or a thought or any part of his body or any thing or idea or air or gases or void airey around him or by just thinking it with his indestructible and omnipresent and omnipotent and omniscient hip brain  and omnipresent and omnipotent and omniscient and indestructible skeleton and jaw and joints and body and cartilage and small flat osteoderms and omnipresent and omnipotent and omniscient and indestructible absorberase tail stabbing him into himself and nothingness but oneness with UGoji simultaneously 

I rewatched all of Goji's daytime scenes in the movie several times looking for this moment, but it doesn't seem like this made it into the final cut. I assume it's a deleted scene or from a book or trailer etc.?

I clearly need to buy a bigger house or make a huge addition, because there is just not enough wall space for all these glorious posters yet. 

On another note though?  Pay attention, filmmakers of the future, THIS is how you reinterpret classic designs, you tweak, you modernize, but you pay deep respects to the source and it won't steer you wrong.  It's a little late but someone can feel free to quote me to Michael Bay.

Rodan’s looks the best.