Rumors that Kong will defeat Godzilla?

If Godzilla rules the Titans, isn’t Kong’s turf actually Goji’s. I don’t want Kong to win either. The definitive winner thing is killing my brain. I just noticed something. Gojira sounds more natural than Godzilla to me.

Good point. Not sure about that. I always thought Skull Island belonged to Kong, but I could be wrong. So far the only monsters I have seen on skull island is skull crawlers, a giant octopus and some average sized dinosaurs. Oh, and a giant spider? Lol The definitive winner thing is driving me crazy too! Again, if Kong is too win, then the writers better get it right, cause if not, I will totally divorce MonsterVerse!

I have suspicions this will be the last Monsterverse movie anyway, so no worries there.

Personally, I don't care who wins as long as the movie's good.

I think that if the movie is good, and makes a lot of money, then MonsterVerse will definitely continue.I just want Godzilla to win.

G. H. (Gman) "I have suspicions this will be the last Monsterverse movie anyway, so no worries there.

Personally, I don't care who wins as long as the movie's good."

Same here, honestly. Personally I'm rooting for Godzilla, but if Kong wins then I'm not gonna throw a hissy-fit over it unless the way it happens is really stupid or something. But even then, I won't necessarily scream my rage about it over the forums. We have too much of that in this world as it is.

I agree. I too want to see a good movie and a good fight, but if the ending is such that Kong wins and it's done in bad taste, where they would even kill off Godzilla, then I personally would have no more interest or Faith in MonsterVerse. How could you have MonsterVerse in the first place without the mighty Lizard! Lol Let's be practical.  There's two big fan bases to both these Titans. That's a good chunk of money the Movie producers, writers, directors, etc can make by keeping both of them alive and keep both fan bases interested enough to keep coming back to MonsterVerse, regardless of who’s the winner. (Just keep both of them alive!) I just pray they get it right!

That "good chunk of money" didn't get made with King of the Monsters last year though. As of right now Kong: Skull Island made more money world wide than either of the Monsterverse Godzilla movies. And Godzilla vs. Kong is facing major competition in November from James Bond, Black Widow and a Pixar film opening on the same day. Furthermore, as of at least 3 years ago, Legendary's agreement with Toho ends at the end of 2020.

Things could change, of course, but I'd be happy if this is the last Monsterverse movie and we move on to something else.

Even if Kong wins, I’d probably still watch the movies because Gojira would probably still be in it. I just want Gojira to win. As for Monstervesre ending, yes that is probably most likely and for the best. As for moving on, I don’t want another long gap between movies. Toho’s Shinverse is probably not going to happen, and may never come out of development. I’m worried that the release are gonna get pushed again, we all thought the COVID thing would be over by now but it’s still here. But it’s likely the movies will still compete. When this ends, I wonder if we are still going to movie theaters. Movies are just releasing on TV and other media. I also think this push back for G vs K is for the best, as it would give the marketing campaign a good amount of time to release the trailer.

Toho never said they were moving forward with a sequel to Shin Godzilla. A producer only mentioned the possibility of their own Godzilla shared universe.

I agree with the OP and many comments here. Maybe thinking in terms of winning and losing is wrong if both survive and have mutual respect. It might be more about a truce. I have no idea how to deal with the Titans though.

They have to make two endings of the film - in one Godzilla wins, in the second Kong.

And then randomly distribute these versions of films among theaters and the world! Let it be a surprise!

Leto That is an interesting concept, but imagine how raged Kong fans would be if they happened to see the one where Godzilla fries Kong- and vise versa, especially if the version was unannounced. That would be a ballsy move for the movie makers and theaters but the hostilities from fanboys could become its own form of entertainment :D

Leto I don't really like this idea, to be honest. I think it should be one or the other, and let it be what it is.

I think one of them dies because it says on the poster”One Will Fall” but that’s just my opinion.

Fall doesn’t always mean die.

True. It could mean that one of them will be defeated.

Yes it's been rumored that one will fall but the storyline portrays them also teaming up to fight some villain titans. It does appear that Kong will win based on substantial rumors, but I doubt he will kill off Godzilla. There are too many other battles the mighty Godzilla can pursue such as Destoroyah, Biollante, Gigan and or one of the two Mecha’s. I sure hope the upcoming movie redeems itself in the box office for Legendary. If it is a big hit and a money maker, then maybe another one or two movies could be a possibility for other battles?  I wouldn’t say the last Godzilla:King of the Monsters was a flop though. Sure it fell way below Legendary’s desired $ figure, but after they tallied up the overseas amount it made, it actually didn’t do that bad. NOT GOOD, but definitely didn’t lose any money that’s for sure. Long live the King…And sorry…It’s not Kong!

Kong better not win a second time! I sincerely hope the Monsterverse continues because I want to see more of Monsterverse Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, and King Ghidorah.

Xenotaris

Kong doesn't have to kill Godzilla to beat him. I'm not sure why so many people think that defeat = death.

I think the movie phrase “One will Fall” got interpreted as “One will Die! Lol  I think a true champion has to experience defeat at least once right? Rocky lost to Apollo before claiming the title in the re-match.  I personally just want to see a clean tough battle between the two. No one dies…no one is lamed.  The one who falls will be the one who got defeated.  That’s all. If MonsterVerse/Legendary does this right and this installment makes a decent chunk of money, then who knows what will come next.  Just keep the mighty Godzilla alive ok! We all know how Kong will die. He just chose the wrong girlfriend! lol

@KingSalomonMMIV

I never said anything related to godzilla's death, I said win.

Sorry but it would be stupid if the writers/producers killed off Godzilla in this battle. And if in the future there’s any other possible upcoming Kong battle type movies, Kong will not be killed off either. Its only when he goes to NY to chase after his woman who’s atop the Empire State Building, will Kong meet his demise. It’s Godzilla that we have to worry about.  Some other people (Not in this thread) misinterprets “One will Fall” as death.  I’ve heard this before off of other forum platforms and you tube comments.   

Xenotaris, your wording made it sound as if the MonsterVerse won't continue if Godzilla loses, and his death would seem like the only possible reason for the universe not to continue (box office numbers aside). 

I'm personally rooting for Kong. However, if I were making the movie, I would have him die after defeating Godzilla. This could help to develop the story in ways no one would expect (Godzilla is defeated and Kong would be dead, so the Titans and flora/fauna would be left without any ruler). Godzilla would still be alive, and this could make for a new, personal journey that he will have to go through; he will have to try to help save the earth while maintaining no domain over the monsters, figuring out how he can prove himself worthy of being king again. This is all just a lot of speculation, but I think it could be really interesting to see if they continue the MonsterVerse. 

KingSalomonMMIV Interesting. It begs the question- if both Godzilla and Kong indeed die (doubtful), is there another creature to carry on such as Mothra? I think that would be too much for fans, but there lots of creatures in the Monsterverse.

I hope they do because I want to see more of Behemoth and Methuselah.

I'm just worried that Toho will not allow the monsterverse to continue beyond Godzilla vs Kong

Xenotaris With all that's gone down, I wouldn't be surprised i this was the last movie in the MV. And if I recall correctly, the original contract with Toho went up to this year, so unless something changes, this might be it. Might.

Hopefully Godzilla vs Kong is successful enough that the contract is renewed. Although I don't mind having to go to Toho Godzilla movies but some of my friends might not be interested in them.

Tbh, I don't really care if this'll be the last movie in the MonsterVerse. I mean, so far it's been fun, but imo neither K:SI or KotM are up to par with G14, or several of the other Toho movies for that matter. I could see the MonsterVerse becoming too mainstream, which would be a shame considering G's Japanese roots. If this were the case, I'd rather it not continue.

Great opinions and comments throughout this thread.  No doubt the two top dogs in MonsterVerse are Kong and Godzilla. Godzilla having more history and battles, Kong having an Island to tend to.  The info on the internet regarding all plot leak type rumors are very interesting, as well as all the comments I have read.  I feel the OP on MosterVerse coming to an end after this installment is over is unfortunately a strong possibility.  Personally I hope not though.  If this movie does well at the box office where a big chunk of money was made, then maybe it could lead to a possible “rematch” or other battle type scenarios.  If there’s a descent storyline to lead the way, then MV may have another installment or two left in the oven.  There’s other Monsters that have notable notoriety such as Gigan, Biollante, Destoroyah, Hedorah, Megalon, Gabara, Megaguirus,  both Mecha’s and of course we can’t forget Gamera the flying Turtle! Lol  Now wouldn’t that be fun to watch!   So there are other candidates for a little bit more of MV if and only if this upcoming movie does well.  Now it’s been mentioned that G vs K will be extended yet another year!  Rumored to be in May of 2021 I think I read somewhere. Geeez!

I have read these posts, I'd like to add my thoughts. First, I am a Godzilla fan, best movie monster ever. This is how I see Kong vs Godzilla playing out. I think Godzilla will dye, either by Kong's hands or by injuries from MechaGodzilla. However, at the end of King of the Monsters end credits, it indicates a large egg has been found. Now, the director has indicated it is a Mothra egg, I think that is a ruse. I think it is  a Godzilla egg. This is not out of line with another Godzilla movie-Godzilla vs MechaGodzilla and later in Godzilla vs Destroha baby Godzilla takes in all the radiation of the melting down Godzilla. 

This plot would allow Kong and Godzilla to continue with further movies. And it would fit the director's comment that there will be a winner. 

Any thoughts are welcome. 

Ramjet307 That also sounds a bit like G 98 except there were several eggs. Still, that could be a way forward for future films- but the MV would still be there?

I think at the end of King of the Monsters end credits the egg is a Mothra egg, which is just my opinion.  But if Godzilla is killed off, which I absolutely hate the thought of, then it makes sense that the blossoming egg of another Mothra could be what resurrects Godzilla back to life? Maybe? 

*** Yes, hawk 4117, Kong will win. If he does I will also ban the Monsterverse just like you. I'm debating not even seeing it if I hear that Kong wins. Unfortunately there are a few pretty solid hints that he will:

1) There has been a question as to which titan will be the 'bad one' and why, with many thinking that Godzilla will be the more likely aggressor. But isn't he supposed to be the protector of earth? Why would he turn? While there is no evidence yet as to why, a statement at the end of KOTM foreshadows Godzilla becoming malevolent. After Godzilla kills Ghidorah, the character Rick Stanton comments, "Good thing he's on our side!", which Dr.Chen adds to by stating "For now", suggesting that something will happen that makes Godzilla a threat to mankind.  

2) In a past interview with director Adam Wingard, he says that he loves movies in which the underdog wins, and he references the film Rocky IV in which Rocky is the clear underdog to the giant Russian, Ivan Drago. Rocky is just dwarfed by him and his strength, but ends victorious. I think Godzilla is the giant King of the Monsters and that in reality Kong wouldn't stand a chance. The statement subtly hints that the underdog Kong, like Rocky, will be the winner.

3) The most obvious hint though is that so far the ape has been simply called Kong. But isn't it supposed to be "King Kong"? Yes, that's right, he will be granted that name and title by the end of this film as the victorious winner, taking the crown and name away from Godzilla.

Neither will die, as it would leave the studios without the ability to make any more movies featuring that titan. And I firmly believe that at one point late in the movie they will team up to defeat MechaGodzilla.

The storyline may have changed though, resulting in the current delays and reshoots. The head of Warner Bros. said he wanted to make this "an A+ movie" after the severely underperforming KOTM. Most people think the delay is just a matter of a few simple reshoots and a bit of CGI refinement, but his statement could involve adjustments to the storyline, script, dialog, or anything really, in order to make it "an A+ movie". I think they're going through it with a fine tune comb to make sure everything is there to make it succeed and allow them the chance to make a rematch sequel.

As I said before, it makes me feel sick to think that Kong will take the crown and I'll maybe skip even watching it or any more Monstervesre films. ***

****Yes Imerichunter we are pretty much on the same page. Based on some ending scenes of KOTM as you pointed out, there are hints that Kong will win. I’ve read in other threads the Rocky underdog scenarios as well. And when I read that Kong will be titled the new King, I was livid! Look, it’s my hope that the delay is because they realize they got the battle and ending wrong. Hopefully their changing the course of the script to NOT KILL OFF GODZILLA.  We all know Kong won’t die any way’s.  It’s not a Titan that brings Kong down. It’s a woman! Lol Your right, how can MV continue without the mighty Lizard! Lol As I said earlier in this thread there’s other notable Titans that could possibly keep MV alive for at least a couple more installments, providing the writers get this so called Kong victory fair, and NOT kill off Godzilla, and most importantly the movie makes a good chunk of money.  If it tanks, then that would be it for MV I’m afraid.  If the outcome is such that he does get killed off, then here’s my spin. Let’s say that somewhere mid movie the battle takes place and Kong defeats Godzilla and he dies.  Then Mothra emerges and resurrects him. Then enter the Mecha’s – whoever it may be. Then Godzilla makes his new entrance and comes in contact with the so called villain Titan.  As we all know Godzilla is always the one throwing the first punch.  Kong happens to come on scene as Godzilla and the Mecha begin to battle, but Kong is a bit bewildered because he thought he had killed off Godzilla. He witnesses the battle from behind a ridge where both the Mecha and Godzilla don’t notice Kong watching. As the battle unfolds, the Mecha is getting the best of Godzilla. This is a very brutal dangerous villain Titan. Kong realizes that this Titan could destroy himself as well. Then this is where the compassionate side of Kong kicks in gear. He comes to the aid of Godzilla and they both team up to destroy the bad guy!  Then after their victory they look at each other as if they’re going to fight again, but instead they actually gesture to each other some kind of Monster mutual respect and Godzilla walks away to give Kong his island back. As all of this is going down, on the other side of the script is Destoroya or another dangerous Titan that Monarch cannot contain or destroy, and he’s making some kind of entrance to more of the ending part of the movie, perhaps on the other side of the planet. This is the making of perhaps the next installment? Anway’s that’s a vision of mine that could ease the pain a bit I suppose! lol

I'm personally rooting for Godzilla, but I honestly won't be mad if Kong wins. If he does, then all I ask is that it feel earned.

I'm rooting for Godzilla to win but I will not be mad if Kong wins, just i will loose a bet to my dad who is a King Kong fan.

I’m rooting for both but I just hope the battle between both of them will be burned in everybody’s brain.

@hawk4117 I think YOU should rewrite the script! I loved that, and I bet some of that is right on the money! I can say that there is NO way they will kill off Godzilla, or either one, really. The studios will want to keep the franchise going as long as it makes money - and they have more options if both are alive. I hear what you're saying about 'getting the ending right', and I think your is brilliant fun! And, (sad that I know this, but) Wingard does reference that Rocky movie, and I think that one of the Rocky's ends with that kind of nudge...wink type ending. Then of course, there will have to be a rematch movie. I think that if this movie does well enough to keep the MV afloat, they'll make either the next movie or one after that a rematch.

I also get that nagging, sick feeling that comes with worrying kong will win. It's like you want to know the winner so bad that it's driving you crazy... BUT you're worried there's a good chance the answer is going to be exactly what you don't want. So you scour the sites every day for info but worry that you're going to find it. Or...maybe that's just me. That axe that Kong has, guarantee you the 'blade' part is one of Godzilla's dorsal plates that Kong breaks off. F**k that, I'm getting sick just typing it! The part you said about maybe the delay includes rewrites rather than just reshoots, I've had that same thought/hope. You should write a short script for fun-you're ideas were good. Anyway, may we never find out the winner unless it's the one we want!

Thanks imerichunter for your reply. We both share pretty much the same visions that are for sure.  Yes I would love to re-write the script! lol My ideology would stay the same though if Kong were to win.  There’s just too much substantial rumors that Kong will indeed win, but the ultimate worry is will Kong kill Godzilla. Like I said, if he does, then there better be a resurrection! MOTHRA to the rescue! Lol Someone told me once that Godzilla wasn’t always the good guy.  Well that’s true to some extent. In the earlier Toho installments there were a few movies that depicted Godzilla as malevolent.  But later Toho gave him a new hero/protector type image. Then he made his debut in the states and…well we all know that path thus far.  I hope that some of the writers, producers, or any staff of this upcoming movie cuisses this forum and who knows! They might have read some other fan type scenarios and opinions, and are actually implementing some of them! Lol Wouldn’t that be a trip! Long live the KING! And it’s not Kong!