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Monster-verse after Godzilla vs. Kong

Made this post for anyone to share their ideas about which direction the Monsterverse will head for after 2020

After Godzilla whoops Kong in 2020 and Legendary is taking in the cash they have no choice but to make a sequel. Jk we don't know what the f is gonna happen.   My bets on Bvs style movie.

I'd personally like to see an evil MechaGodzilla with Mecha King Ghidorah and Gigan by his side, with the help of the Xilliens and pin them against any of Godzillas allies, such as Kong, Mothra, anguirus n Rodan and you've got a winner. You can throw in basically any of Godzillas allies for this one. 

It would be the greatest Godzilla movie of all time, my opinion. Maybe not most realistic but we're watching giant monsters fight so cmon now. You just need a good villian actor to be the main xillien. Think a Darth Vader like character commanding Mechagodzilla and King Ghidorah. Star Wars meets Godzilla, just think about it.

    Leave a comment and let me know which direction they should go in

           Btw I'm Ishiro Honda

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I actually would like to see a "common enemy" monster in GvK. It would be a bit disappointing to see just Godzilla and Kong.

How likely is this basic plotline for Godzilla vs Kong?;

Godzilla encounters Kong in some yet to be disclosed location. They fight and bleed each-other nasty for a bit. Then somehow a very powerful 3rd monster intervenes in the fight, attacking both of them. Kong and Godzilla realize they need to team up to fight aganist the common enemy. They eventually defeat the 3rd monster, but both are too exhausted to continuing on their duel. So they both just leave each-other in peace.

I am thinking that the alliance between Kong and Godzilla will be more of a Jurassic world team up of Rexie and Blue against the Indominus Rex, then a Batman and Superman team up in Batman vs Superman.

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I agree, I see a team up whether we want it or not. I just hope when Kong and Godzilla do fight, it lasts longer than 10 mins like in BvS. That was very lame. Building up the story for a fight that barely lasted 10 mins. Every fan since 1962 wants to see a rematch. Do not make us wait 55 years and give us some half hearted ticket selling scheme. Let Them Fight!

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@therizinorex I agree it makes no sense to build a slow, Godzilla like robot. But hear me out. MechaG works is if he is built by aliens. No people inside the robot(that ruins it for me). Simply use the same idea the 1974 version did. Maybe Godzilla is thought to be dead, so he is then cloned by some Transformers like technology to create MechaG. He is then sent to destroy the world, along with KG, only for the real G to show back up. I know it's a shot in the dark but that would be my ideal G movie. Combing Godzillas 2 greatest foes, while still having Kong at his side to help him.

 @riggzamortis I agree, I think it may happen whether we like it or not. But yes, please let the fight last longer than 10 freaking minutes!

@willnotbenamed I like that Jurassic World comparison a lot better than BvS. Mainly because I actually like JW. But the reason why I like that film is because they didn't call it Rexy vs. The Indominus Rex. If GvK intends to be a VS. film then that is what it should be. After all, the title is Godzilla vs. Kong.

 

 

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i wouldn't mind seeing aliens. Aliens in a any Godzilla film will never be a stretch, i think, for the fans. same with a MechaG. they do have that Godzilla skeletal system from the first movie. maybe a kiryu thing? but yeah i think an alien MechaG would make a come back just fine in this series. its been a long time since we see an alien mechaG

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Aliens is right up there with the Hollow Earth theory that's been introduced anyway, so they might as well at this point. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch if done in the same way they've portrayed the Hollow Earth explanation.

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I originally was hoping for realism and stuff but I thought it over and I have changed my opinion. Now, I would actually like to see the concept of aliens get introduced, because it would allow for a lot more introduction of monsters and movie plots. I feel like, after a while, "oh they are a big prehistoric monster that has awoken" would get pretty boring. I would welcome the introduction of aliens because I feel like it would make it more interesting.

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A mechagodzilla could be totally realistic in this universe just make up some bs about how his stature is more structurally sound for a larger scale weapon basically meaning we had to copy his look to get something that big with that many weapons to fight him.

 

If we can have monsters living below us and buy that I'll buy aliens and mechs anyday.

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For the post-GvK MonsterVerse, if it will continue afterwards, we have to factor in the possibility that, when the rights to Godzilla lapse back to Toho afterwards, Toho may not be privy to continuing to allow loaning Godzilla, as well as other classics.

In this particular scenario, we have to work off of Kong and the MonsterVerse's original elements. Perhaps take the Phase 2 approach of the Marvel Cinematic Universe by way of introducing ancillary elements to known story backgrounds to monsters already introduced, as well as experimentation with less surefire properties. For example, perhaps taking a more concrete dive into the mysticism of Mothra by taking MONARCH to more esoteric locales that make them question reality as it is in a fantasy adventure flick.

However, now we must consider the possibility that Godzilla and potentially other classic Toho daikaiju will continue to be a strong presence in the MonsterVerse post-GvK. In this case, the same general principles as I've highlighted before remain intact, but now you have the esoteric cast of classic monsters necessary to add some extra star-power. For example, change that MONARCH fantasy adventure idea to involve Godzilla having to contend with increasingly esoteric abilities that go beyond brute force after his encounter with Mothra.

These are just my own personal thoughts, and are most definitely subject to change as the MonsterVerse continues to develop.

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"I feel like, after a while, "oh they are a big prehistoric monster that has awoken" would get pretty boring."

Which is exactly what happened in the 1950s.

I may get flack for this, but the more I think about it, the more I feel like the MonsterVerse won't age well. Godzilla '14 is a fairly indifferent movie three years later and already the charm of Skull Island is starting to wear off on me.

If Godzilla vs. Kong ends up being the final film, that would be fine since Toho has proven they can be innovative with the series when the right talent is put behind the camera. It's not that I'm not excited about the upcoming MonsterVerse slate--No doubt the movies will be enjoyable at minimum. But recently I've been more interested in what Toho will offer post-Legendary.

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I agree with G.H.Gman,

Toho did a fantastic job with Shin Gojira, honestly I think its the best installment since The Return Of Godzilla(1984). I hope there is as much Monsterverse as possible but I think it'll be a longer wait to see more Toho kaiju movies featuring Godzilla. Toho always does it better.

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      I'm gonna have to disagree with the previous comments about wishing for more Toho movies after 2020. Shin Godzilla had some of the worst sound effects of all time and not to mention the scenes where missiles litterally just bounce off him. Really? I thought the special effects were terrible minus the night scene. Should have filmed the whole movies at night. I know a lot of G fans love shinGodzilla but not me. In fact, I walked out of the theatre the very moment a missile bounced off of Godzilla and it made a noise like a spoon hitting the floor. It was just too unrealistic for me. Now I know any monster movie is unrealistic being there's a giant monster in it, but Shin just struck me the wrong way. It felt like Toho was re using sound effects from a Mickey Mouse cartoon or something it was that bad. 

     Forgive me, I have been spoiled by Hollywoods top of the line special effects and sound effects. I feel as long as the Monsterverse can make it all the way to Destroy all Monsters I will be completely satisfied as a G fan,though I'd watch a million more if they are willing to make them.

    As long as actual Godzilla fans are directing these American versions they will stand far above any Toho incarnation(imo) I just don't believe Toho can compete with Hollywood on any scale of movie making. I do have a bad feeling Toho is going to want Godzilla back after 2020. But why would they if these American movies have made far more than any of theirs ever have? It makes sense to me to keep making Monsterverse movies post 2020.

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       Hey I get it. Hollywood has got the big guns. they make the most profitable movies of all time and in the world. no one here can disagree with some of what your saying about Hollywood and other studios.

       But I think you might just not get what the director of Shin Gojira was going for. He wanted to re-used some themes from the classic Gojira(1954) and re-purposed them for his movie. Honestly no other director of any of the Godzilla movies did that. The reason the sound fx sounded old was because it was old. Like 1954 old. Godzilla's roar, the tank firing, and some of the score where all taken from the original Gojira movie. Japan really hated what Hollywood did to their icon. So toho saw an oppurtuinty to make another great Godzilla film.

     Its cool you don't like it, I'm just trying to possibly explain what you hated about the movie and put some kind of context to it. I didn't do it justice.

       I love the way Toho Godzilla movies look. One thing I think that we all love about the way the classics are is that the monsters look like we can truly touch these things. they are in terms of perspective "real". In these movies there is a Godzilla suit that exists out there and we can touch it. That idea possibly makes these movies feel real to us especially as children. The new Monsterverse is great, I love it, it brought back the genre, its giving Godzilla a new stage to explore. But the old sfx gave Godzilla a flare that only Godzilla can give. G14 didn't have that flare. I feel like that theme was lost in that movie. Michael Dougherty I think might bring that flare to G:KOTM. I hope.

 

 

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Can't agree with TrapZilla in the least.

Shin Godzilla wasn't the greatest film ever. However, it was a step up from both of the MonsterVerse movies which are decidedly entertaining, but too commercialized and too Hollywood to be anything too meaningful.

I also agree with riggazamortis that TrapZilla didn't quite understand what Hideaki Anno was going for--At least in terms of the sound effects which were supposed to sound like the 1960s Godzilla sound effects and thus not very realistic. It was a stylistic decision and because the movie was much more of an auteur effort than either of the MonsterVerse movies, it worked fine. Quentin Tarantino does similar things with audio in his films.

Additionally, just because a director is a fan, does not assure that a movie will be good. After all, Hidiaki Anno was a fan and TrapZilla didn't like Shin Godzilla. The Strause Brothers were fans of Alien and Predator, but they made Alien vs. Predator: Requiem. McG was a fan of Terminator and responsible for the failure of Terminator Salvation. Peter Jackson was a fan of King Kong and all he could do was make an overly long, self-indulgent remake. Being a fan is fun for other fans, but it does not assure a good movie will be made.

And finally I don't agree at all that the Legendary productions have made "far more" over "all" of the Toho movies. The Toho movies treat their practical effects like an art form when put in the right hands--One of the things that makes Godzilla what he is are the practical special effects implemented in the films and how they're implemented. Even though Shin Godzilla delivered a CG Godzilla, it still had far more miniatures than most of us can spot. But aside from that, there are plenty of older films that push the 2014 movie into a middle-of-the-road flick.

I look forward to the MonsterVerse offerings, but I'm more interested in what Toho does post-MonsterVerse. Shin Godzilla just had more meat to it and I was impressed with what they did with so little. The fact that Toho's film makers have to be more resourceful than Hollywood film makers, due to time and budget, is more interesting to watch. Shin Godzilla was made on a budget of barely $15 million. I find that impressive. Godzilla '14 was made on a budget of $150 million and considering the end product, I was not that impressed... I don't expect Godzilla: King of the Monsters to be much better, but I do hope, at minimum, it's more entertaining than 2014.

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^nuff said on that note.

 

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^ I wholeheartedly agree with everything Gman said. An important thing to note also is that Shin Godzilla was a huge success, both critically and commercially. While Godzilla 2014, being a Hollywood blockbuster, obviously had a substantially greater worldwide financial gross, Shin was easily the objectively better-received film, at least among critics and Japanese audiences, and was more successful than G14 at the Japanese box office. Toho isn't producing the MonsterVerse films, so they aren't the primary benefactors of their financial success or popularity. I'm certain Toho has received a very nice payday from licensing the property to Legendary and distributing G14 in Japan, but it's obviously much more tempting for them to be able to reap all of the rewards by producing and releasing their own films. Shin Godzilla has opened a gateway for Toho to produce its own financially-lucrative Godzilla films once again and receive all of the profits themselves. It very much makes sense for Toho to want to resume producing its own films after 2020. In the long-run, they'd ideally make more money that way than simply continuing to license Godzilla to an outside company.

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I agree with Gman, and the king of the monsters. Let's be honest and real here. " Toho can't compete with Hollywood in terms of film making." Really? What blatant disrespect to Ishiro Honda, Eiji Tsuburaya, Tomoyuki Tanaka, Akira Ifukube, Kow Otani, Shusuke Kaneko, Teruyoshi Nakano, and Teisho Arikawa who have made far more lovable and infamous films in the Godzilla series. 

Sure, Toho may not have proper CGI effects, but who cares? Honestly the Monsterverse CGI seems to get more and more half-assed in terms of special effects, and although Shin Godzilla, the monster itself is all CGI, most of the effects overall are far superior compared to Kong Skull Island. 

Toho is known for its supreme craftsmanship in Tokusatsu all thanks to Eiji Tsuburaya who invited the technique of this style of special effects, and their "realistic" storytelling about modern times in Japan or events that they have had trouble with in the past. Ishiro Honda makes storytelling at its finest while Hideaki Anno and Shusuke Kaneko are right there with him in storytelling. Has 2014 win any awards? No. Critics all across the globe praise Shin Godzilla for everything the film had to offer and it'll stand out through the test of time as just one of the few most important films ever made throughout the Godzilla series. It was so good and highly praised that it won 7 awards including best director and best picture. 

Like all the others, I'm eager to see where Legendary takes the next step, but Toho will always provide the better film. I don't see any Legendary film "standing taller all Toho incarnations" at any point. 2014 is probably more bottom-center of the road compared to many other Godzilla films already released prior in the last 60+ years. 

 

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     Sorry guys I didn't mean to seem like I hated the Toho versions. They are all great and special in their own way. Godzilla 2014 is very low on my top Godzilla movie list,(mainly from cutting away from action) though it still has the best special effects/sounds effects out of any Godzilla movie of all time.

   I have G1954/GvMG 1974/TOMG being my top 3. (Major respect Ishiro Honda)(Goat). I also love all of the suits as it gives you that you could actually touch it feeling. I feel as if those latter 2 Toho movies had better sound effects than Shin did. I know y'all said the director was re using old sound effects from 1954, which sounds ridiculous to me if you want people to believe what's going on. But I just couldn't do it when the missile literally just bounced off of his face with that cartoonish "dink" noise. 

     It just felt so cheesy that my best friend and I both walked out of the theatres. I did notice the practical effects and those were very good. The first three life forms grossed me out so bad I was questioning if this was even Godzilla.

    Once I'm able to find it on DVD, I intend to watch the original then Shin directly after. I'm hoping that will help me understand why so many hardcore G fans think so highly of it. 

  I have very high hopes for KOTM after seeing G2014 and then the improvements made with Kong, aka actually showing Kong! You know what they say, 3rd times the charm.      

     Still can't get over the fact Legendary killed Hesinberg. Ahhh :( damn you Gareth

   Adam Wingard is supposed to be a pretty big Godzilla fan so I have very high hopes he's gonna give us something we've all been waiting for. I really wish they would put the Ifukube score in these films as well. It's like Star Wars with no John Williams.

   

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 ^I get it. I actually walked out of Cloverfield right as the action started. my friends wanted to sit right up front and I got motion sickness from that movie. I walked out and thought it was terrible. Then it came out on DVD now it shares the same shelf with my Giant Monster Movie collection. I love it now.

Shin Gojira just came out on Aug. 1 so maybe you can check it out on your own time and give it another chance. if you lived close I would show you at my backyard theater. every month I show rare and cult movies to groups of friends on a giant projection screen. this month im doing a double creature feature. im showing Kong: Skull Island and then followed by Shin Gojira. Many of my friends have not seen either so I thought it would be fun to do instead of old horror movies for once. something that was made in the past 25 years. haha

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Jumping in on the Toho movies and Legendary movies, while I agree Shin is better than G14, by a pretty large margin, I have a lot more fun with Skull Island than I did Shin. I think that with the way legendary is going, I'm looking forward to them a lot. I don't hate any of the entries in either universe, but If I had to rank K:SI>Shin>G14.

 

Maybe it's because I'm not the biggest fan of the millennium series as a whole, but because of those and overall Toho G movies, let's be honest Shin is kind of the best movie we've gotten from them in a while, and is a standout amongst their 60+ years with Godzilla. Not saying they can't do better, IMO they have, but I think looking at their track record it's more likely they do worse than Shin than better.

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I agree that Shin was better than G'14, but I can't help but feel more excited for KotM than Monster Planet. I know people will argue all day about if Toho or Legendary is better, but I have to admit, I'm glad both are making Godzilla movies. Legendary can do the big popcorn flicks and Toho can do the more profound storytelling movies. The franchise has been both and there's enough room for both.  

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 Actually watching Kong Skull Island and followed up by Shin Godzilla, I can't agree that Kong is the better film. Kong is a fun movie with the monster action, but the story and characters don't hold up too well except John C Reilly. He's the only character I thought made the film feel saved. While Shin Godzilla doesn't have the equal amount of monster action, it is played safely and effectively once Godzilla is on screen, and the characters in Shin Godzilla are the second best characters since the cast of Monster Zero 1965. The story itself, is great. Japanese politics and their form of government. 

 

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Personally there are quite a few Godzilla characters I'd prefer to follow than Shin's group. They're not bad or anything, but I think their strength is what they represent rather than the characters themselves.

 

In characters I can't say I personally was any more invested in Shin's than K:SI.

 

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Agreed for some reason I'm not hyped at all for Monster Planet, but am getting more and more excited for G:KOTM 

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I really cant hold the two up to the same light and say what is better than the other.

in one hand if you say what was a better action movie I think K:SI is a lot of fun and there is plenty of action. Its sometimes funny and tragic. But when one of the cast dies (except J Goodman, that scene made me jump when he died), I didn't feel terrible. I kinda cheered. Shin G wasn't supposed to be a full on action movie, even though there are action scene's in it. Shin belongs more to a suspense.

Shin to me was more of a horror flic! those opening scenes left me knowing I was not going to see a normal Godzilla movie.

But for my movie night my patrons wanted to see the new Monster movies and since they know I have both in my possession they wanted to see what I have been raving about. They are in no way committed G fans like we all are. They just want a Double Creature Feature, featuring the newest monsters. So I'm giving them what they want. im sure they can enjoy both in one night. cant wait to see their faces watching Shin G tho.

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That it true comparing K:SI to Shin is like apples to oranges in most senses.

And like apples and oranges your preference for one is based largely on taste alone rather than one being objectively better than the other.

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Yeah, I like Skull Island a lot, but for completely different reasons than Shin Godzilla. During my immediate Blu-ray viewing, I was a little more bored during it than what I remember experiencing in theaters. Whereas I was completely attentive and in to Shin Godzilla yesterday. (In fact, my friend watching it with me flat out said Shin Godzilla will be the first Godzilla movie he owns--He's never been much of a fan of the series.)

I think the reason is that Skull Island is just really, really dumb. It's okay if a movie is dumb as long as it knows it and takes advantage of it--Sort of like Jurassic World or The Avengers. Skull Island makes use of its spectacle and outlandish ideas and goes crazy without apologizing. It's a lot of fun, but as a result there's not a whole lot to chew on after the fact.

Shin Godzilla makes you use your noggin a bit more. The movie is very re-watchable because it's easy to miss things--Going back to explore details about the government process, story and Godzilla's biology feels fresh each time because its so dense with information. Shin Godzilla says a lot. Skull Island asks us to check our brains at the door. Both work, but for different reasons.

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You keep mentioning missiles "bouncing off" Godzilla as if it were cartoony. But those weren't missiles. They were free-fall-bombs dropped by F2 fighters. They're not suppose to detonate until after they hit their target. The noise you keep complaining about is the mechanical component igniting the bomb. These bombs have been portrayed the same way in other movies, including Hollywood. A very silly reason to walk out of... well... any movie.

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I think K:SI is the best Kong movie since the remake of 1976. Peter Jacksons was fun and all but waaaaaaay to long. and some scenes to me did not have to be in there(for ex: the ice skating scene, kong just killed some people a few minutes ago but let make sure everyone see's his soft playful side, uh....no thank you).

But hopefully we do see a different kind of Kong when GvKK shows in theaters. 

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   I appreciate everyone defending ShinGodzilla and pointing out the positive aspects of the movie. It will definitely allow me to see it in a different light this next go around.

@riggazamortis that sounds freaking epic! I hope to have a personal theatre room one day where I can just chill and watch all the G movies on the big screen as they were intended to be seen.

    I'm fairly young so the first G movie I ever saw in theatres was Godzilla 2000.(loved it) As of right now the only big Toho movies I haven't seen are Mothra(1963) and War of the Gargantuans. I'm sure there's a few I don't know about. I'd like to re watch all of the showa movies post GvK62, especially with GKOTM coming out but it seems they quit printing all of them.

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I think you can buy the DVDs online, I think, don't take my word.

Godzilla Generations was a beautiful game! I loved the fact that there's a laser cannon inside of Dr. Serizawa's eyepatch.

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@gman I still can't get over that noise! It just sounded so silly. It makes sense though if it's not supposed to detonate until after it hits it's target. Though if you're trying to hurt a giant monster you'd think the millitary would like for it to blow up on impact.(more damage)

     Anyways, I'm going to take into consideration what you've said and hopefully that will allow me to be more open minded and enjoy the movie this time around.

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TrapZilla,
Honestly, those issues seem very superficial. I had no issue with the free-fall-bombs hitting Godzilla and I thought the execution and sound effect was very cool and pretty spot on for that kind of artillery.

What's more important is the film's meaning, what it says and understanding what kind of film it is. I'm reminded of a recent foreign language Meet Me group my girlfriend went to. She told me she and a friend of hers spoke to a Japanese fellow about Shin Godzilla. He asked them if they liked it and both of them said they enjoyed it immensely. The Japanese man was somewhat surprised because apparently Japan sees Americans as a culture that can only appreciate action movies. He very avidly admitted Shin Godzilla was not strictly an action movie by any stretch, but that's not uncommon for a movie like that in Japan.

Additionally, he felt that countries outside of Japan simply wouldn't get it because most people outside of Japan don't understand what's going on currently in the nation. And that is what the movie is really about. It is very Japanese and it uses Godzilla in a strictly Japanese sense.

This is why I feel none of the Hollywood Godzilla movies can ever reach the heights of movies from Toho--At best, Legendary's Godzilla will be a convincing doppelganger of something very strictly Japanese. It's not that it isn't Godzilla, but it can't be used in the same way here in America. I said in one of my articles,

"The monster was born of the post-war's socio-political climate and he continues to embody ideological shifts in Japanese culture. GMK and Shin Godzilla represent the most important facet of the character's career—The ability to encapsulate cultural anxiety and compel the Japanese people to engage it."

There are many things about the character that America simply can't relate to. Thus, he can't always represent the same, more poignant ideas.

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So, on the actual main topic of the OP whilst also incorporating the recent discussion, how could we possibly get our "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" of the MonsterVerse?

A film that's generally quite well received critically, and is often cited as pursuing interesting and mature themes and world developments that resonate with modern audiences?

What kinds of issues or current events could influence what kind of thematic approach the future of the MonsterVerse could potentially take? The war on terror? The shifting global economy? Something else entirely?

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I think GKOTM has potential to be the Captain America: Winter Soldier(Loved that movie) of the MonsterVerse.

Godzilla Generations was a beautiful game! I loved the fact that there's a laser cannon inside of Dr. Serizawa's eyepatch.

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How about the war on monsters?

* quote from Randa when he's talking to general Packard*

"This planet doesn't belong to us. Ancient species owned this Earth long before mankind, and if we keep our heads buried in the sand they will take it back. My agency is known as MONARCH. We specialize in the hunting of Massive Unidentified Terrestrial Organisms."

"I'm sorry for your men. Believe me I truly am. Get us home. With proof. So that we can send the cavalry."

 Sounds like MONARCH may be sending the Calvary after Rodan/Mothra/Godzilla/Ghidorah.

   Also, I would love to see the mazer guns return or any super weapon, with humans confidently attempting to stop these monsters only for it to horribly fail.

   Just thought of this but, in GKOTM,  I'd love to see a Godzilla who feeds on radiation by destroying power plants or nuclear weapons facilities in the city killing hundreds of thousands, leaving hummanity unsure whether he is a friend or foe. Only for Ghidorah to show up as the true villain. It would have hummanity running in circles trying to figure out what to do, possibly having them make an irrational decision to destroy all the monsters. Leaving them feeling like idiots when  Godzilla and his buddies save the Earth.

 I also think it would be pretty cool if the prescence of Ghidorah wakes up Rodan and Mothra, making them true protectors of Earth. 

*Sorry guys just started fantasizing about GKOTM*

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I don't know... Stuffing a bunch of characters in need of origin stories into a single movie feels a lot less like Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and more like Spider-Man 3 or The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

In terms of themes, I think the best lead we have is the animal rights issues that Millie Bobby Brown mentioned Dougherty was passionate about. He's also hinted this on his Twitter. I'm not sure how relevant such a topic is, especially to the Godzilla series, but at most I can say it would be a unique issue to bring up in the franchise.

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I like that in Monarch there are agents bent on destroying MUTO's and others that want to simply study them. I think one movie can feature a shift in agenda within the agency. I think that would be a cool way to get into the KKvG.

@TrapZilla, I have a big backyard, I built a huge projection screen out of some 2X4's and a california king bed sheet that I can roll up and move around. I hook up my projector to a 400 watt amp sound system(never needing that much) and hook up all my 4 speakers around my yard to project the sound all around my beer shaped fire pit, my DIY tiki bar "The Friki Tiki", and in my basement near the basement bar. I'm not wealthy by any means, but i know how to make a set up with little or no money at all. My friends love my house, unfortunately they are not as big on Godzilla as I am. If they were, I would have marathons every weekend of the summer. Need some of you guys to come over to experience this fun. haha

I have never seen the captain America movies, but one day i hope to have a marathon of them in order to catch up. But i know of the synopsis and know enough what you all are talking about. I just hope Monarch comes out into the public eye and we see how the world in this universe adapts or rebels against the fact that MUTO's are out there.

I have not read the K:SI comic yet. Does Agent Randa and Serizawa ever meet? Im not sure when the old Serizawa died, and his son joins Monarch? I know the answer is in G:14 comic but not sure if its ever really mentioned.

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I want to see a movie about Gigan's origin.

At first, he has this design.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3597/3609469461_f5696ef5d5_o.jpg

He is found barely alive by aliens visiting a planet after being brutally attacked by other monsters on the planet. They haul him onto their ship and turn him into a cyborg to be used as a war machine in an ongoing inter-planetary war and is named Gigan. Gigan is an efficient fighter at first but gets pulversized and mutilated in battle with another cyborg monster. Gigan wins, but has suffered fatal skin damage and his spikes and wings are completely destroyed. The side that made Gigan into a cyborg won the battle, but the enemy takes Gigan's dead body back to their planet, revive, repair, and upgrade him so he looks like he did at first in Final Wars. Gigan is reprogrammed and used in another war and is defeated, but not before wiping out a third of the enemies defenses. Gigan is upgraded AGAIN, this time into the Final Wars version with chainsaws and destroys the enemy completely, acting on his own the whole time, just obeying orders. At the end, the aliens arriving in our solar system. It ends on a zooming shot of Gigan's red-glowing visor and Earth being reflected in it.

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@Evil Gigan, you got some pretty good ideas there. I'd love to see an evil Gigan team up with Mecha G and Mecha King Ghidorah, all being rebuilt/cloned by some transformers like technology from some aliens. It would make for one hell of movie special effects wise. They could do some pretty crazy stuff with Gigan especially.

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I would love to see Gigan come into play. Unfortunately I do not see it happening in the Monsterverse. Maybe again in the toho comeback movies but I highly doubt it. I love the idea of a back story though. To maybe see what Gigan looked like before he turned into a cyborg. pretty sweet.

 

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This is what I thinking for Monster-Verse

1) Godzilla (2014)

2) Kong: Skull Island (2017)

3) Godzilla: King Of The Monsters (2018)

4) Godzilla vs. Kong (2020)

5) Godzilla: War Of The Monsters (2022)

6) Kong: Return To Skull Island (2023)

etc...

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I just hope they don't include mechagodzilla, unless its of alien origin.

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