Debate Week season 4 finale! Godzilla (2014 vs Godzilla (1992)

Feed off the radiation from heisei's breath? Just because you feed of something doesnt mean you can absorb in is large qualities and take it. If I threw a super heated hamburger at you as hard as I could not like you'd get hit and think, "well I'm not hungry anymore" There's no evidence how well legendary absorbs radiation so the argument that heisei's breath wouldn't damage him due to being radiation is pretty flat. He absorbs radiation, if it was as simple as him just absorbing radiation then chances are he would have shown up to every atomic bomb testing and just sat in the drop zone since the one time he is hit by something like that he disappears for 70 years and according to the movie that I'm going off that probably means he gets damaged by it.

Lengendary Godzilla did not pick up the Golden Gate bridge. He moved one small part of it. When you have something over a mile long and move one part you can't take the bridges whole weight. That's like moving a 200 pound mans arm and equating it to moving the whole man. 

1. Knocks him over

2. Stomps his head in

you think Heisi's healing is powerful enough to heal that up? His healing ability isn't like the Wolverines or Deadpools. It's not instant. Heisi's head would be mushed.

And again with the one sided debate. It's like saying batman beats superman because he's batman(batman's a badass don't get me wrong).

Heisei King Ghidorah was 70,000 tons and jumped up and down on Godzilla's head repeatedly. No smushed head. No need for regenerative properties. And considering how Godzilla's wounds heal from one shot to the next in Godzilla vs. Biollante, yes I would consider his healing factor much faster than Wolverine's.

How is this comparable to that? Heisei wins because he's stronger, has insane healing, and a stronger atomic breath. Those a pretty important attributes to have in a 1v1 fight with someone. 

The same argument your using for heisei getting knocked over is so much more dangerous for legendary. Heisei can hit him with atomic breath to knock him over. Destroy a building causing it to fall and knock him over use the nuclear pulse to knock him over. The things go on, and if legendary did knock heisei over he'd use him atomic breath, as he has before, to repel him till he got back on his feet. What would Legendary do? Chances are Ford brody wouldn't blow up a nest to help him in this fight.

Did you ever see how slow ghidorah was jumping up and down on his head? Legendarys leg is comparable to a log. Biollantes little heads were tiny, basically bullets to him. Heisi's head isn't made of diamond, it's going to be smushed by legendary. And yes, Heisi is stronger but legendary has a further reach than heisi and heisi can't turn it's arms the way legendary can, his healing isn't instint, and his atomic breath is stronger but it's not going to put down legendary as fast as you think

Even with just one foot coming down on Heisei Godzilla's head, that wouldn't be enough to press all 90,000 tons of 2014 Godzilla's weight down. King Ghidorah was pressuring all of his weight on Heisei Godzilla over and over again with no visible damage to his head. Unless 2014 Godzilla grows wings and pounds all his weight over and over on Heisei Godzilla, his head would not be crushed.

What way did legendary turn his arms that heisei couldnt. His arms may be longer but I don't see them being any more flexible.

Even if heisei's healing isn't instant it fairly close, but legendary has none. That's the main factor here. Legendary doesn't have the stamina of heisei or the healing. Even if everything else was even that's a huge advantage for heisei.

Okay so if his atomic breath didn't put him down on the first blow the second of third would and since heisei can fire in quick succession there's no stopping him. All it takes is one blast that does knock him down and the fight is over. You still haven't answered how Legendary who both times that he got knocked over only managed to get up because the mutos weren't paying attention to him would manage to get back up against a monster that will continuously pound him with a beam? There won't be any distractions to save him so he has no chance. Say legendary does knock him over and tries to stomp him head in what stops heisei from just firing his atomic breath at the already off balance legendary thanks to him only relying on 1 leg while he uses the other to try to crush him. 

There are a lot of variables in this fight but most point towards heisei winning very easily.  

Legendary does have a healing factor. Only hours after the fight with the Mutos, he gets up with ease and with no wounds on him. And ghidorah, like I said, slowly stomped on his head, watch it again and then watch how legendary stomps in smash 3 and tell me which one is going to hurt more. And no, more variables point toward legendary. The only reasons that you gave are that heisi is stronger in muscles, but his arms cant extend like Legendarys. He has a more powerful atomic breath, he's going to survive the atomic breath if can tank through what happened in the movie and comic. His healing factor, and it's funny how you guys said it was instint and then you said well it's not so instint anymore.

I suggest you watch that scene again legendary Goji is still clearly injured or exhausted when he gets up, he just actually has the ability to move again rather than being unconscious. Being awake and being fully healed are two completely different things. 

Well in the movie legendary goji gets hit by a nuke disappears for 70 years, then gets double teamed and wrecked by the mutos, then collapses again after a building falls on him only having the strength afterwards to overpower an enemy that was distracted then collapsed again. I don't really see that much worthy to talk about in terms of his defenses. That makes you think he could handle the atomic breath from heisei Godzilla, especially continuous shots of it. So no I have to disagree I don't see almost any scenario where the legendary Godzilla comes out on top.

Just to add I never said his healing was instant I said it was close, which is much much more than what legendary Godzilla has.

The Heisei's atomic breath is a radiation stream, thus its effects, whilst still powerful, won't do as much damage to the Legendary Goji since he can feed on its radiation contents. The ratio of power-to-radiation isn't high enough to simply destroy Legendary Goji, and Legendary Goji was hit with more than one bomb, as the telltale nuclear tests implies more than one.

As well, there is no indication for the Heisei Goji surviving upwards of 15 megatons, or any nuclear-level yield for that matter. Legendary Goji survived Castle Bravo, the bombing of March 1st, 1954. Heisei Goji's greatest durability feat is swimming through magma unhindered, but Legendary Goji lives straight near the Earth's core anyways. The Heisei Goji was only fully double-teamed by Mothra and Battra, and was soundly not doing well till they tried carrying him away.

Legendary Goji easily stops either MUTO singlehandedly, his size and strength outdoing either, the flying ability of the male his only saving grace. As well, using his tail, the Legendary Goji took off one of the arms of the male with the force alone, and managed to hit him hard enough that concrete managed to pierce the male's hide despite normal immunity.

Legendary Goji easily pushes around the female whom is larger in overall mass than Heisei Goji, as well as doing so more aggressively. He also singlehandedly moved the enormous Golden Gate Bridge with one arm that, even whilst it was hoisted by suspension cables, still implies enormous strength.

He is only exhausted, like i said, there are no signs of wounds or any type of injury. And have you ever thought of the possibility that the nuke scared him off? Even then, when he comes back 70 years later, you'd think there would be scars or an indication that the nuke damaged him but nope.

Legendary godzilla did not get hit by castle bravo. The movie goes out of its way to address that the nukes used were kiloton. I don't know where you're getting this "power-to-radiation" equation you seem to be pulling out of thin air since like I addressed, we never see legendary absorb radiation in the movie we have no idea the amount and speed he does it. You can't assume that because it's radioactive it wouldn't effect him simply on that aspect.

"immune hide" that the muto has is also up for debate since his convenient power of an emp stopped him from ever getting hit by heavy ordinance so the fact he got impaled by a support of the building speaks a lot more for his defenses.

Godzilla has a rough looking hide meaning it would be harder to spot scars and cuts from a far away angle. His gait is proof enough he was still injured injured.

There was one point in the final fight, where Legendary let out blood when the MUTO stabbed him so that tells you right there that there would have to be a puncture or hole in his body. The diameter of the claw isnt tiny, it would be pretty noticible. However, no wound or injury. 

No, I'm not assuming it wouldn't effect him. I'm saying that due to the radiation content of the stream, which is purely radiation, the Heisei Goji's atomic breath couldn't do nearly enough damage as he'd like to Legendary Goji. As well, as the special features say, Operation: Lucky Dragon was commenced on March 1st, 1954.

That's the date of Castle Bravo's detonation, the same explosion is seen in the opening sequence of the movie, and the novelization points to it being Castle Bravo. All that leads to the bomb being Castle Bravo. It's less likely that it isn't Castle Bravo, as the evidence points to the other conclusion.

As well, at the least, the MUTOs were hit with heavy artillery and missile fire, the likes of which being more potentially potent than concrete impalement, male included. He's been slammed into buildigns before by Godzilla, but not the likes of the tail slam, which completely severed one of his arms.

Serious? Legit, 50 posts!!!!

When the male muto flew up and impaled him with his claws it was on the right side of his body on his shoulder. When the movie ended and you see him walking you see it from his left side. It never focused on his right side with the most you get to see it the shot at then end where he roars which wouldn't show the wound from that direction. As a side note chances are by that time even an average animal would develop a scab of some kind over it if you take the side relative to body. The fact is a scab would also be harder to notice so unless it actually gave you a close up from the effected side you woudln't see it anyway.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. This movie takes place in a fictional world everything in it doesn't have to correlate with the real world events. The idea that evidence points to it not being Castle Bravo holds little water with this quote directly from the movie which is the primary source of information to that vast majority of the audience.

serizawa-But we tried that before

navy officer- We're talking dialable yield; megatons not kilotons nothing can withstand that blast makes the bomb we used in 54 look like a firecracker.

That alone points out that no megaton bomb was used. If it was castle bravo that whole scene would have not only been pointless but incorrect which doesn't make sense does it? The fact the words Castle Bravo are never seen in the movie, the movie points out it used kilotons is more than enough evidence that it wasn't Castle Bravo being used. You don't put a minute scene in your movie that completely goes against what really happened. 

You don't seem to understand the point I'm making. Just because you can absorb something doesn't mean in insane amounts you can't handle it to the point it would be extremely dangerous for you. Our bodies absorb sunlight for Vitamin D that doesn't mean that you can take insane amounts it still be fine. Legendary absorbs radiation. That doesn't mean the superheated combustible radiation heisei shoots wouldn't effect him, or would be ineffective. Maybe not one shot him but he'd still get dropped like every other monster it was used on eventually.

The Mutos are never shown hit with heavy artillery besides the machine gun fire from rifles and the guns from the helicopter. No missiles were ever shown to make contact with him and the machine gun fire bothered him enough he activated his emp after getting fired upon. He was also never slammed into buildings as his one feature that kept him alive was the fact Godzilla could never get a good hold of him. He might have been knocked off kilter and collided with them but godzilla at no point visually had him and forcibly pushed his body into the building. As for whether it was Godzilla's tail that severed his arm or the building debris that also impaled him since you see it falling down with the arm are up for debate.

Female is hit plenty with heavy artillery fire, though you're right about the Male. Also, no debris was seen imbedded in the area where his arm fell off. His left side was the one hit by Godzilla's tail, and his left arm fell off, and no signs of debris indicate it wasn't broken off by the building, but the force of the tail slam itself.

As well, I'm not saying the atomic breath of Heisei isn't devastating. But, being a pure radiation stream, its effects are lessened, along with the fact that there's no indication for how powerful it is in regards to sheer damage potential compared to what Legendary Goji has endured.

March 1st, 1954 is the exact same date as Castle Bravo. The exact same explosion was seen in the opening sequence. The novelization states the bomb used was Castle Bravo. Operation: Lucky Dragon was in reference to the Lucky Dragon incident resultant of Castle Bravo. There are no historical records of more than one bomb test in a single day.

@Dannyblazor,

No offense but, you keep acting like the new G14 movie is the first time that godzilla has ever done biting and clawing at his opponents. May i remind you that, that is not true? Go back and watch godzilla raids again 1955, that was the first ever godzilla movie were we all see biting and clawing by godzilla and anguirus.

Now as far as the debate goes, i am sorry to say but, godzilla 1992 which is the same creature that becomes burning godzilla would utterly destroy G14.

And BigBadBen, I'm not liking all this "utterly destroy" thing going on. No offense.

I'm pretty sure it's already been highlighted that Legendary Goji is more than strong enough to tangle with Heisei Goji physically, and also durable enough to survive his special abilities, and also has a slight maneuverability advantage that can make him a bit more adept in phsyical combat.

The saving grace of the Heisei Goji, really, is his ability to just keep on going no matter what, simply outlasting the Legendary Goji long enough to take him down, though Legendary Goji could also just as easily down him with his physical stature.

^But it seems to me that most here are just wanting to say that heisei godzilla is not that physically strong at all.

You are correct about matching up against each other in terms of physical strength, but the point is, legendary goji does not have the same super healing ability as the heisei godzilla, which would wear legendary goji out very quickly.

Never said that Godzilla hasnt used biting/clawing etc. We both never once said that Heisi was weak. If anything, you're making it seem as if legendary has no strength at all. Legendary tops in speed, smarts. With endurance, heisi comes on top by a small margin. Atomic breath, heisi wins again but it wouldn't be enough to down legendary. With strength, heisi wins but again by a small margin. Heisi's arms may have a lot more muscle but the reach is smaller and won't benefit him one bit. When using force, speed goes into that equation. Legendarys speed is much greater and his tail slam knocked out and killed the Male MUTO. And about the Muto's, when legendary was down on the ground, both were stabbing him, and it was his left side. The female got inot the action too but again, no marks. 

And again about the healing, Heisi's isn't instint. And legendary most likely has a healing ability as well and there's proof that I've given.

Well until i see legendary pick up king ghidorah over his head, then i will say no i am not seeing that much as far as strength goes. Heisei godzilla has faced far bigger and far stronger enemies than what the muto's combined are. Biollante alone would kill the muto's.

Now i like legendary goji don't get me wrong, but the fact is, Toho has stated that heisie godzilla is still by far the strongest godzilla incarnation to date.

Well, Legendary Goji can move the Golden Gate Bridge singlehandedly, which is heavier than any single enemy faced by Heisei Goji. So, that at least puts Legendary Goji's strength somewhere slightly above or below Heisei Goji's strength. That, and he can effortlessly push around the Female, whom is larger in mass than Heisei Goji.

Then you have to remember that most of Heisei Goji's enemies haven't been downed easily by physical force, or even physically engaged for that matter, mostly special battles. The MUTOs may not be able to deal with beam-spammers that well, but their aggressive nature and speed means they could, together, take on a variety of those foes, and even the Heisei Godzilla himself, were it not for his special abilities and strength.

So, really, it all depends on who can knock down who onto the ground first. Once one of them is down, they're finished. Heisei Goji grounded will be stomped in by Legendary Goji, and Legendary grounded by Heisei will be stomped and blasted.

Godzilla ('91)

Height: 100 meters
Mass: 60,000 tons

Powers/Weapons: Atomic Ray; super regenerative power; able to unleash a Spiral Fire ray from his mouth after absorbing Rodan's life force; Nuclear Pulse; can absorb radiation; can conduct energy through its touch

Godzilla

Height: 108 meters
Mass: 81,500 tons

Powers/Weapons: Atomic ray

First Appearance: Godzilla (2014)

Hey, no spiral ray shenanigans! That was in '93!

legendary effortlessly tossed around the female muto who's mass is most likely around 60 tons. So i'm pretty sure he can lay heisi on the ground with ease.

And again with throwing opponents. Heisi's arms are shorter than legendarys. Legendarys reflexes are faster as well.

70 posts, wow this is a Debate Week national moment.

The fact it was named Operation: Lucky Dragon in the movies before the bomb even went off adds so much credence that this was not the castle bravo nuke since there was no way they'd knowingly name an operation after a tragic incident that happened, and here's the kicker; before the incident happened. That fact it was named Lucky Dragon is just a nod to the the bomb and tale that inspired the original it does not mean that that was the bomb that went off. The novel isn't the movie, I don't consider it or the prequel comics cannon especially when, I have and anyone who watched the movie has undesputed proof that no megaton bomb was used on Godzilla according to the movie, which is the source I'm using while judging this illiteration. It's clear this is a different world, and like I said things don't have to correlate with real world events. A bomb went off in this universe March 1, 1954, it was a kiloton nuke used to kill a giant monster. Using an extremely iconic nuclear blast from the 50s as for visuals doesn't add much to the point.

As for Godzilla's breath, we know it melts synthetic diamond after a few shots, and we know it has enough kinetic energy to launch Rodan backwards colliding with and destroying half the mountain he was hit into. It has also knocked bigger monsters off balance even if it appeared not to hurt them. 

There seems to be this idea the Female Muto has more mass than heisei, however she's 9 meters shorter and as far as I've seen has no official weight with any stats having an (estimated) next to weight they give.

True legendary has more weight and is slightly bigger, but MechaGodzilla,, Ghidorah, Destoroyah, Biollante, and SpaceGodzilla all had both more height and weight than heisei and that never seemed to change the equation. Having maybe a few meters in arm length an questionably faster reflexes doesn't overcome the less physical strength, weaker atomic breath, and lack of a healing factor. 

If Legendary tried to push around heisei chances are to do it in the most effective way his elbows wouldn't be locked and his hands extended. So due to this there's a really good chance that heisei's arms could reach him is some way so even if their strength is close which I don't agree with but I'll humor the argument, the longer arm range doesn't really factor in when its that little of a difference unless legendary Goji is going to step up slap him and quickly step pack and repeat that process. If legendary likes to brawl that's fine because he doesn't outclass heisei in this category so especially hard that he could win off it especially without any healing. They'd just brawl until Legendary got tired out from buildings falling onto them due to the obvious destructive force of their fight and collapse. To bad heisei doesn't really collapse from exhaustion.

Ever watched MMA? Probably not but reach means a lot in a fight. And I've given examples to how legendary has a healing factor. 

^Legendary and WB have not confirmed a healing factor. That means as of now, G14 is tough like showa godzilla.

Are we really comparing MMA that has years of specialized training to what monsters do? MMA has a lot of punches and they have the ability to do a lot of damage from punches. Chances are legendary isn't going to start boxing heisei. When grappling in the most basic form, which is what monsters would do, the arm length wouldn't really come into this. 

As BBB pointed out there is no confirmed healing on top of the fact, as I pointed out scars covered by dirt would be harder to spot on the dark rough skin skin Legendary has. 

75 posts?!? I must be dreaming!!

^Must be nice, I wish i could reach that on the first graphic novel i posted. :/

heisei g. he can take a beating and continue on. legendary is can take some hits too, but he did have to rest for a while after the fight. im pretty sure the swarming destroyahs put up more of a fight than the mutos. 

We are so close to 80!

Season 5 is coming.