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1. Godzilla Rulers of Earth (without a doubt)
2. Godzilla Rage Across Time
3. Godzilla Ongoing/History's Greatest Monster
4. Godzilla Kingdom of Monsters
5. Godzilla in Hell
6. Godzilla Cataclysm
7. Godzilla Half-Century War
8. Godzilla Legends
9. Godzilla Oblivion
10. Godzilla Gangsters & Goliaths
Honestly, I think these are all of IDW's Godzilla Graphic Novels. I hope they make more soon. All of theirs are very good.
I'm more so confused as to why they use fan art to promote the video?! Why not use art from the actual film?
As much as I love King Ghidorah and his constant harassment of Godzilla, I don't feel that he was a legitimate threat to Godzilla after Invasion of Astro Monster. I still consider him Godzilla's Arch-nemesis though. He practically got curb-stomped in Destroy All Monsters (I always felt a little bad for KG) and I don't feel like he was anywhere close to killing Godzilla in vs King Ghidorah or GMK.
I personally feel like Mechagodzilla should be the top of the list, since in most of his appearances he manages to really push Godzilla to his limits, in both the original, Mechagodzilla II, and the Kiryu saga. It was a close call in all of these cases.
I agree that Gigan definitely made a splash in his first appearance (like Ghidorah) but beyond that he didn't do much either.
Destoroyah gets too much credit. He was somewhat challenging, and even killed Jr, but he got demolished pretty effortlessly. Of course, Godzilla was also powered up insanely by his meltdown.
I think a character who doesn't get enough credit is Orga. Godzilla barely even scratched him during every single one of their encounters. He got bested by the ship on several occasions. Heck, he couldn't even leave a mark of Orga with his atomic breath because of Regenerator G-1. If it hadn't tried to eat him, it would have been fine.
Very excited for this, though in my perfect world I wish it had been traditional anime rather than CGI models. I don't want it to look cheap like say the first Appleseed CGI film's models looked, but I'm confident it will be polished. Just super psyched to finally get the Big G in a real anime after all these years of waiting for it, so very long overdue.
I really wish I knew what they were saying.
Huh, I never thought about that symbolism with Marlow and Gunpei. Very interesting theory
Even then I feel like it has to be a "door open" scenario. On Legendary's end, just in case their "last one" makes a tone of dough, they would probably leave a thread available for yanking Godzilla out of the grave.
Lets be honest, no self-respecting company/studio decides to kill a franchise. If Marvel killed Iron Man, that's billions of dollars worth in films and merchandise that they're not receiving every year. I'm pretty sure Legendary is more than happy to abide by Toho's condition to not kill Godzilla.
I tend to think if this monsterverse is a big success and they keep it going after Kong vs Godzilla legendary will probably have to talk to toho about keeping the rights. Depending on their trackrecord with the monster I could see Legendary being able to negotiate killing their Godzilla at the end of their series.
I know toho supposedly gave Legendary a rulebook worth or regulations for G14, but this was the first hollywood outing for the monster since the 98 mess, so naturally toho would be super strict with their ruling at the time.
Not saying Legendary will kill him off, or could, but if their movies do well enough they might have more room to negotiate with Toho about that being a possible endgame scenario.
Yes, word of mouth for Kong has been much better than Godzilla and repeat business has been a factor indicating that audiences really like it. Though the movie still lacks strong characters, it did deliver ones that were more engaging with an adventure story that entertains. People just like this movie and that's great news.
"With me, I've wanted to see how the world around Godzilla would be without him,"
It's an interesting thing worth exploring in the Monsterverse that might be possible as long as Legendary brings Godzilla back or he's simply mistook for being dead. (ala, Superman in Batman v. Superman it seems.)
But while Legendary has the rights to use Godzilla, fans need to undestand it's more of a conditional agreement: "You can borrow my car as long as you don't paint it or put bumper stickers on it and I have to okay the hubcaps."
This is largely because of the treatment Godzilla got from Hollywood 19 years ago. Now Toho is very strict about the way the character is used by other studios, comics, video games, etc. (Toho had an artist redraw an entire cover for one of IDW's comics because they didn't like how Godzilla's fingers were positioned.) Godzilla is always Toho's, everyone else is just walking on eggshells to borrow him.
Godzilla's name recognition and its killer ad/marketing campaign made people want to see it, but word of mouth cooled it down. Considering it made $93 mil it’s first weekend, which was fantastic, it took a painfully long time to reach $200 mil.
It's been the complete opposite with Kong. It looks like Legendary learned their lesson with Godzilla, because even though Edwards is a better filmmaker, from a movie-going entertainment experience, overall Kong delivered where Godzilla didn’t, and that's the difference.
It makes me look forward to their future movies in this monsterverse even more.
I know Toho told IDW that they couldn't kill Godzilla in the comics.
The thing is Toho has placed a lot of restrictions, conditions and mandates over how Legendary is allowed to handle Godzilla. One of the reasons Godzilla fought another monster in the 2014 movie is because Toho required it. Among those heavily circulating, but not necessarily confirmed conditions was that Legendary is not allowed to kill Godzilla. This is the most believable one considering Toho's many requirements were put in place to avoid another 1998 debacle.
I'm sure there may be some loopholes in consideration of Godzilla's death; there may have to be another Godzilla to take his place. Or perhaps he comes back to life--But one of the most popular words on Toho's massive list of conditions was that killing him was off limits.
Besides, why kill the golden egg layer?
Jiger,
Currently Skull Island has passed $150 million at the domestic box office. It'll probably trickle into the $160-170 million range by the end of its run. Godzilla hit $200 million domestically. It's still a domestic success, especially considering the insane competition. Quite frankly I thought Skull Island would be lucky to surpass $100 million domestically.
Skull Island made $32 million worldwide on the last four weekdays. I'm willing to bet it hits or surpasses Godzilla's final worldwide gross by the end of the weekend. If not, it will definitely pass Godzilla's $529 million sometime next week.
I think my favorite version would have to be Grand King Ghidorah.
@KoldWarKid62 I think it will too. It already has as far as foreign numbers and it will worldwide as well. I don't know about domestically though.
Kong: Skull Island is at $509 mil and climbing! That's in four weeks. It will eventually overtake G 14, which had a run of about 15 weeks. I think it's safe to say it will be a success for Legendary.
I think one thing I particularly enjoy about the Millennium series is the look and tone of these movies never get stale. Their ideas might, but an Okawara movie doesn't look like a Kaneko movie, which doesn't look like a Tezuka movie, which doesn't look like a Kitamura movie.
It also helps that these films had four different effects directors across six movies. It certainly helped Tezuka's films since he worked with three out of those four. (And pretty much torpedoed the career of one of them, but I digress.)
After a decade of Koichi Kawakita's eye level beam spamming, sparks and glitter, it was a welcomed change of pace regardless of whether or not the new effects always worked.
Ebirah Horror From the Deep strangely came to my mind first when I thought about it so going with that one.
Least favorite, well gonna go ahead and say Godzilla vs Hedorah. There might be worse, but without rewatching the movies going to go with my least favorite movie of the series and a cast that did nothing to try to change my mind
Well going with the majority on this one and saying Showa.
Well I think the response consensus seems to be yes, however for me it's a hard no.
Granted I'm someone who runs off nostalgia so even if I don't like a movie later on in life having fond childhood memories of the movie tends to bump it up a few points for me, hence movies like Godzilla Vs SpaceGodzilla, and Godzilla vs Mothra: BfE I tend to get more enjoyment out of them most of the millennium movies.
I like Godzilla 2000, but big surprise this is the only movie of this series I saw when I was under the age of 12.
Godzilla vs Megaguirus I have no love for. It's probably one of the Godzilla movies I've watched the least in life, and never really convinces me to look at it in another way.
GMK A lot of people love this movie and view it as the standout movie for this series, but I never liked it. Granted my opinion of it has improved but it still is lower middle of the ground for me at best
Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla Characters really just never made sense to me. They're like better version of the vs Megaguirus cast, but I was glad we didn't see them much in the sequel
Tokyo SOS I like this one, had a lot of fun with it and probably would rank it higher than every other installment in the millennium series than G2000
Final Wars Don't really know how to describe it, but it's like if you showed a western viewer that knew nothing about godzilla only this movie it seems like it has every laughable cheesy thing that they would negatively assume with Japanese movies.
So for me the millennium series did hit as the low point. It has individual movies that I prefer of some installments from the other 2 but it's easily the last if I was asked to rank them.
KingKaijuGojira You know what, you're right. I totally want that poster. I almost forgot that even existed. That would be glorious.
I honestly stopped paying attention to the thread I made. Is that bad? Anyways, I just want HD, deleted scenes, subtitles, a decent dub, and that Godzilla vs Evangelion poster.
^This one here. That's all I want.
Gman,
It's fine, unlike too many fans I don't experience butthurt over the movie preferences of others, I just like fans to be more mature and not write off movies as trash because they don't happen to prefer them, I don't care for that kind of extreme broadbrushing. All the films have pros and cons, and I'm sure some fans would throw a conniption fit over the fact that there are 5 Toho Godzilla films I enjoy less than GINO in my overall ranking. But who cares, right? They're movies, everyone will have a different ranking and preferences. I'm sure it won't keep you awake at night if I said Megaguirus is in my top 5. Neither of our positions makes us any less "legit" fans. Anywho, keep up the good work.
Heisei Ghidorah is probably my favorite King Ghidorah design. Death Ghidorah is my favorite one that isn't King Ghidorah.
(I agree with all the points about Kaizer. Monster X was pretty cool, but why couldn't they use King Ghidorah?)
GMK is my second favorite Godzilla movie and the 2002 suit is my favorite Godzilla design, so I agree with the Millennium series being underrated.
KoldWarKid,
I actually like Final Wars more than Megaguirus. For all of the contempt I see in Final Wars, I think the way it was shot and the fact it feels so different from anything that's come before makes it more watchable than Megaguirus.
YukisSpecial,
Glad you enjoyed the articles. I want to clarify, though, that my criticisms for Tezuka's films are not indicative of his hard working character and passion. I like Tezuka and, to some extent or another, I appreciate his Kiryu films. But I don't think he's much of a filmmaker. I consider Tokyo SOS his most honest work in the series and I sort of love the idea that the entire message reflects his approach toward his own Godzilla movies. (Leave the metaphors dead and focus on the alternative instead.) It's not exactly a winning scenario for any movie, but it represents Tezuka well--For better or for worse.
Megaguirus on the other hand--You'd be hard pressed to get me to say anything positive about it. I don't like ranking the series, but if I did it's easily in the top (bottom?) 5 worst of the series.
@Gman
I read through all of your articles and I commend you for your thoroughness, most were very enlightening and full of a lot of interesting information I wasn't privy to before. I didn't agree with some of your assessments on the quality of some of the movies, indeed I thought you gave some of them (especially Megaguirus) too harsh an overall judgment, but tastes are tastes and I'm not gonna fault anyone for preferring some films to others, I just thought it was funny at the time (I was only on the visitor's comments at the time) that someone informed me Megaguirus was terrible because you had sufficient sources in your article to prove it was awful :P I dunno, I just remembered that clearly because I thought it was so funny, as if cited sources on a film's history was enough to "prove" that it was terrible, but I digress.
I think what I liked most about your reviews was that it gave me even more appreciation for Masaaki Tezuka, I met him at G-Fest and he was very pleasant and approachable, and it made me curious how while I loved Megaguirus I wasn't really at all enamored with the Kiryu films, but it was nice to know he seemed so passionate about all of them. Overall the Millennium series is my "least" favorite of all Godzilla series, but that's not at all to say I don't like it, there's no G-Film I genuinely hate or even dislike, but it's all in degrees of liking.
For me, in the Millennium series, there's only one clunker that is hard for me to sit through. That's Final Wars. Quite honestly, I can't say that about Heisei or Showa for that matter. There are more than half of either of those eras for which there are movies I'd have a hard time sitting through at this point in my life.
I probably have 12-15 total that would be my favorites and I would watch regularly.
Gman, I actually joined this forum because of those posts. It is one of my favorite articles of this site. They definitely inspired me to write this. I really just wanted to gauge the feelings of the community towards the Millennium series, as well as try to hopefully get people to see that they're actually "okay" films.
SchizoidHorse9,
I did a series of write-ups leading up to the release of Shin Godzilla in America you might find interesting. They're very thorough go through the production history and meanings of each film as well as my own, brief critical analysis.
Overall I agree the Millennium series gets the short end of the stick, but not because it's overall a great set of movies. They struggled to do something different and I admire the attempt, even if they didn't quite succeed. I do think they've aged better than the Heisei series which becomes increasingly more difficult to sit through.
Check it out when you've got time to kill. I think you'll find some interesting information regarding the films as a whole:
1) Before Shin Godzilla - Retrospect of the Last Era, Part 1: Godzilla 2000
2) Before Shin Godzilla - Retrospect of the Last Era, Part 2: Godzilla x Megaguirus
3) Before Shin Godzilla - Retrospect of the Last Era, Part 3: Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah
4) Before Shin Godzilla - Retrospect of the Last Era, Part 4: Godzilla x MechaGodzilla
5) Before Shin Godzilla - Retrospect of the Last Era, Part 5: Godzilla: Tokyo SOS
6) Before Shin Godzilla - Retrospect of the Last Era, Part 6: Godzilla: Final Wars
Death Ghidorah was okay. If they were going to do a quad-dorah, I'm glad it was so far removed from the real King Ghidorah to be its own entity. It was sort of interesting to see a variant on the Ghidorah species as well.
Kaiser Ghidorah, on the other hand, is one of Toho's worst creations. Period. The quad-dorah concept was done better with Death Ghidorah and Kaiser basically just looked like a poor attempt to one-up the traditional, superior King Ghidorah. It reminds me of crumpled tinfoil, smashed together and splashed with gold paint. And why does it have those tiny wings? What's the purpose of those? Awful design and terrible execution.
Some films in the series I feel are underrated for sure, but as with all movies it boils down to what you enjoy. I love G2000 and Megaguirus, but Megaguirus especially gets hate and I never understood that, it is one of the more original films in the later years and tried to do some new things, and on the flip side the Kiryu saga is to me two of the most boring movies in the whole series period, and young fans especially adore those. But it is what it is, the series has a lot of highs and lows, I guess I just tend to get more genuine entertainment value and enjoyment out of some of the lows than the more critical fans.
I too am in the minority in that I prefer the Millennium series to the Heisei series, and think it's underrated. The Heisei films had a staleness to them, whereas I think there was far more variety and creativeness to Millennium. I think as a series it is far more interesting. I'm also a fan of G Vs. Megaguirus - again in the minority.
Moving forward, I'd love to see each film have a new director and creative team, so that each has it's own uniqueness and vision.
I'm glad to see that you guys enjoyed this topic! I kind of figured ShodaiGhido would be the unanimous champion of this discussion. OG always wins in the Godzilla forums.
On a related note, what did you guys think of non-"King" Ghidorahs (ie, Desighidorah, Keizer Ghidorah)
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