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You know, I'm reading the 4 comments above this one, and I'm wondering this: Should Legendary's Monsterverse include a scene where Kamoebas makes an appearance similar to his in Tokyo S.O.S. ? 

that would be awesome to see Godzilla and Gamera fight in their original country. the fanbase would go insane!!!

I am hoping that the monsterverse is going to be successful in the future and add Gamera to a larger audience. This is how I am hoping to see the monsterverse playout in the future

phase 1 of the monsterverse (Godzilla 2014 - Godzilla vs kong 2020) had a pretty bad start seeing as Godzilla 2014 and K: SI were released so far from each other that people don't link the 2 as being in the same universe. that's why I think Godzilla vs kong will be very important to the future of the monsterverse. because when they see this movie, they will understand that this is a shared universe and might get a little bit excited about it (just like we are).

phase 2 is where we are going to see spin-offs and new monster movies with the addition of Godzilla 3 and kong 2. this could include a Rodan or Mothra solo movie and a reboot possible of "the beast from 20.000 phantoms".

Around phase 3, the monsterverse might have a good enough reputation for them to introduce some of the more outlandish ideas. this I am talking about aliens and mechs (although mechs could also be introduced in phase 2 too). some more risks can be taken in this phase and we might just see if it works out for them. this is also the phase where I would introduce Gamera. this is because, in phase 3, Godzilla and kong will have an iron man and captain America status in this universe. whenever people will think of the monsterverse, they will be the most iconic (although that will happen anyway). this status would definitely not be beaten by Gamera if he gets added and I think that is something Toho might choose to be okay with.

^yup. There is a great opportunity here to try and get the rights to all these monsters but that there lies the problem. Its pretty expensive to gather all the rights to these monsters and use them in a movie. I would love to see Gorgo, Reptillicus, the Rhedosaurus and Varan all going in on a movie.

To be honest tho, if I were given a choice on how I would see a Gamera and Godzilla film featuring the 2 fighting. I would choose to see it not in a Legendary Monsterverse setting, but I would love to see Toho studios produce the film in Japan themselves. That to me is where it should take place. That would be epic.

There is still a possibility of more Monsterverse to come. I hope G:KOTM and GvK bring in packed theaters and bring the franchise to a new level that would let Toho think about continuing the use of Godzilla pass the year 2020 and have more monster movies.

"I even would be okay with pacific rim entering the monsterverse."

I think that bridge has already been burned. I don't think its going to happen. Unfortunately.

Unfortunately what you said is very true. I am so annoyed that a little bit of rivalry between 2 companies can destroy our dreams like that. Maybe if the monsterverse gets popular enough, then I could see it happen, if the allows it of course. I think this would happen in a 3rd phase if it gets this far.

If gamera doesn’t get added, than I am hoping to see other non-Toho monsters are added in the future. I am talking about rhedosaurus or gorgo. And if that doesn’t happen, Toho has a couple of non-Godzilla monsters themselves like the gargantuas or Varan. I am just hoping to see more than just king long or Godzilla monsters join the monsterverse. I even would be okay with pacific rim entering the monsterverse.

I don't think so. I don't think Toho will let Godzilla near that property.  Or in other words, they wont let Gamera near Godzilla at least.

I think Legendary would be taking a huge risk taking Gamera under their wing. If Toho wont let Godzilla and Gamera meet in anyway, then they could only use Gamera in his own film away from any Toho properties. Since the Monsterverse is so far comprised of mostly Toho monsters then you have a character you cant expand on and help make a franchise with.

If Legendary's Monsterverse is going to follow a similar route as Marvels Universe and have its movies follow one and other in a formula that has been so far successful in todays movie box office. It would be a risk to add a character that cant be included with your movie universe. Unless Toho lets it happen.

Now, do I hope they have Gamera in the Monsterverse? HELL YES! I think Toho should let those two meet and fight or help one and other out in a fight. To see those 2 in the same movie would be amazing! Legendary has a plethora of Monsters to use in this monsterverse to make it an amazing cinematic universe! If they do use Gamera in this universe, and its successful, then the flood gates could open for more possible classic giant monsters to be introduced. I hope after 2020 we see more Monsterverse in that fashion.

Just a little question to everyone. Do you think Gamera has even a small chance of getting in the monsterverse? If so, why do you think that? I feel like this is an important question for this subject.

^I really don't care about whatever name or future Zilla has. Zilla isn't going to make any comebacks anytime soon. He is featured in comic books along side Godzilla, youtube, only 2 movie entries(one pretty much a cameo), I mean I cannot deny the movie has doesn't have some kind of impact on all of us no matter how small that may be.

To me Zilla already made a name for itself, its not a good one, and most including myself rather not say his name(haha, he who should not be named). Hell, Zilla already has his name ripped in half. He is minus a God. That there says enough to me.

He's never coming back into another movie along side Godzilla, we all need to face it and welcome it. That atrocity wont ever taint the Godzilla universe again. Thank God....zilla(haha).

However, I've heard from some people that it's good that Zilla is earning a name for himself. Would you agree or disagree with that? For me, I'm split.

I just remembered that some Youtube channels use Zilla as a character (most notably, Lbrosfilm), so maybe not.

^That I can agree with.

The memory will probably disappear by the end of the century. But let's not jinx it.

^Im sorry... what?

Zilla Jr. has more "what" than his father? Im not sure what your referring to and what ever that may be, Im still saying Zilla Jr also has just as much as chance to show up in any other form as its pathetic film father did. Zilla Jr is still just as hated and unwanted in the series. Though the cartoon series is somewhat enjoyable, it doesn't change the fact that it still has no place in an actual setting where real monsters can just kill it so easily.

And the reason why it took so long to kill Zilla was because it was running like a little coward every time something shot at it. Its pretty hard to kill anything that runs away so much in a movie. That's why it took the movie 2 hours to kill it.

Its supposed to be Godzilla! Godzilla never ran away from anything that shot at him!

And you cant compare Zilla to the first Pacific Rim movie. That film was made by artists and people with vision and respect for what they were making. Not a bunch of misguided hacks like the ones who made Zilla 98. There is no comparison. Plus they are Giant Robots punching and stabbing the kaiju. Yes there are missiles, but that on top off a gigantic robot hitting you a lot? What monster wouldn't die from that? Except Godzilla. haha

Im just telling you the general consensus on this imposter monster. Its a joke now with anything related to Godzilla. Its a very hated character so much so that it was blown up in a movie and celebrated and the entire fan base cheered its demise. Even Toho doesn't want it lingering in its copyright vault. Im sure they are glad they own the rights to Zilla so that no one can ever use it again. Slowly starving it out of peoples memories so we can all forget that it even happened.

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So, you're pretty much saying that Zilla Jr., even though he has more than his father, is still just as bad as the 1998 Zilla?

"For once the army actually kills a giant monster with just missiles?!" Even though it took them much longer (6 days and 35 miles later, to be exact), didn't they do the same thing in the first Pacific Rim?

^Nothing much. Still a bastard son of Zilla. That thing is a byproduct of a failed attempt to cash in on a possible sequel to an abortion of a movie featuring a gigantic coward of a monster that happens to be killed so easily by some missiles at the end of a 120 minute joke. I mean...Really?! For once the army actually kills a giant monster with just missiles?! Not a fancy wonder weapon of some kind? Maybe they should have tried something easier like killing it with a giant pointy stick. That could have worked. Or a really heavy rock that gets dropped on its head. It would have save the tax payers some money. Sorry, but Zilla is a joke not just to the Godzilla fan base but to all of giant monsters everywhere!

I apologize to anyone and everyone who enjoys this miscarriage of a monster movie or its cancer of a cartoon series. It is not my place to judge ones idea of art and entertainment. I too once loved this movie when it came out 20 years ago. I was a young boy then. But you all need help now. haha

What about this guy:

What do you have to say about him?

Sure thing. Just love these types of forums, is all.

Those Kaiju's(IMO) are much better use of a time to use than Zilla. Even Ebirah, Gabara and Minilla are way more better than Zilla.

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Thanks for those pictures. I really like the 3rd Godzilla jr picture, that just looks like a baby 2014 Godzilla to me personally. I have seen the 2nd Biollante picture many times before and it is the picture that convinced me that I want Biollante in this universe. If I am going to make a forum for Biollante, than I will 100% use that picture.

Just a little request, please a little fewer pictures next time. They really fill up the comments, but if you just add around 3 pictures at a time that would be nice.

@KaijuWorld Nice forum. Can't wait for the Godzilla Jr. forum. Here's some pictures to get started (also for inspiration):

Also, here's some for Biollante (also inspiration):

You're welcome for the inspiration. And speaking of, here's one for Gamera:

That is all. You're welcome.

Very good point. I can see your direction and give it kudos on staying with both the Showa and Heisei origins. Boy I keep forgetting that there is that Monarch site in Siberia.

I do think we will get answers by 2020 on what is in Siberia. Maybe a crazy battle between Kong, Godzilla and Gamera. That would blow my mind.

I would imagine Gamera's jets to work like how the "Assblasters" in Tremors 3 take flight. They literally ignite chemicals in there butts to shoot into the air and glide around to spread their eggs around the world. Now of course not as comical as the "Assblaster" idea. But that would kind of work for something like Gamera in my opinion. 

I can definitely see your point, but I feel like the hollow earth theory can be applied to too many monsters. Baragon, Varan, gorosaurus and Megalon just to name a few all can use this idea. Anguirus could work with the hollow earth theory too, but I personally think that he is the monster in Siberia from the monarch timeline. Of course, some of those monsters can use that idea, but Gamera should be very unique and stand out compared to the others.

Also, I wanted to stay as true to the original origins of Gamera and modernizing it. I tried to combine the Showa and Heisei origins into one and maybe the Heisei part is the part that is unbelievable, so maybe if you just take out the Atlantis part of the story it could work as well. But I'm happy to hear that you like the concept though.

I think everyone would love to see a Gamera crossover into the Legendary Godzilla Monsterverse. Hell, I would love for any incarnation of Gamera to come into play here.

I like the way you used the Heisei story to Gamera, but even for the Monsterverse I see it as a stretch for a back story. Who knows? I cant wait to see how they bring Mothra into this universe. Will she have worshippers similar to Kong:SI? If they keep Mothra's deity background intact then I can see Gamera having that backstory. But I feel like if Legendary wanted Gamera in there monsterverse, they will use the "hollow earth" theory to explain Gamera.

This is fun.

Zilla is much more hated and is celebrated when he dies in the Godzilla fandom. Gabera carries on in the Godzilla fandom. Zilla is buried under it. Plus you ask anyone in the fandom which film would they rather watch I would bet 9 out of 10 fans would pick All Monsters Attack over Zilla(98).

Back to the topic at hand, I am very curious about how they will portray Mothra's head and face in this movie? Will they go with the round head with big round eyes or go with a actual moth face and head making Mothra look even more insect like?

I just feel like King Ghidorah is going to be this wing walker(not happy with this expectation) dragon like being. Im more anxious than excited to see what will happen with Ghidorah. Looking at the history thus far with Legendary's creative designs for monster foes like the MUTO and the Skull Crawler's. Both  foes hunched over crawling around rather than like Godzilla and Kong who both stand upright on there hind legs. This is what makes me believe that King Ghidorah would be designed to crawl around when on the ground.  

I've waited my whole life for this rematch. Even hearing that it got a production title is getting me hyped.

"But in terms of a [Baby] Godzilla design (which is what it was intended to be) it doesn't look anything like him."

That is what I'm asking. If you think of it as any other baby dinosaur and not as a Baby Godzilla design, then does it look better?

I'm not sure it what context the question is relevant. Is the design on its own good? Maybe--That's highly subjective without base context. But in terms of a [Baby] Godzilla design (which is what it was intended to be) it doesn't look anything like him.

 You know, the one about the baby Zilla.

And what do you think of the comment above yours?

The question was, who is more hated.

All Monsters Attack has a longer legacy with more years bookending it. Although it's an unfairly maligned movie, one of the more forgiven aspects has universally been Gabera and the new footage with him.

Meanwhile, the '98 movie and creature design purposefully strayed from everything that was considered Godzilla up to that point--The creators even had the audacity to call it superior in every way to the original. This lead to plenty of hate from the fanbase and although Toho has rebanded the design, the association is still there. (Hence why people cheered when he was defeated so embarrassingly in Final Wars.)

The '98 Godzilla is easily more hated.

If you think of this picture from the perspective of a dinosaur fan and not a Godzilla fan, then it's not as bad. Here's the picture:

Who agrees with me?

It wouldn't surprise me, even though I don't consider the 1998 film to be terrible.

@Kulaas I can't believe I'm saying this, but trust me, the series is better (but still as cringy and outdated) than the 1998 film.

I guess. Not like I ever saw the series, though, lol.

Yeah, but at least we got Zilla Jr. and his animated series out of the 1998 film, right?

One movie is all the 1998 Godzilla needed to have a larger fanbase, especially with its hypetrain. Don't forget, All Monsters Attack/Godzilla's Revenge is a 60s film, and had a much smaller fanbase behind it.

But they both have only one movie. How does one have a bigger following than the other?

Probably Zilla. Gabera has a decent following.

Also, who is more hated between these two? Here they are:

What? For me, it shows something different. How is that possible?

Uh, yeah. That's exactly what's showing: