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well crocodilians in the distant past have achieved dinosaurian-like forms or at the very least bipedalism.
Initially in my homebrew setting it would be grounded closer to our reality as far as all non-avian dinosaurs would be extinct, so instead of godzilla mutating from a dinosaur, he would mutate from a crocodilian at a Japanese zoo during World War III's nuclear winter.
Logically a Salt Water crocodile would be the perfect Godzilla candidate but then I thought about my new Godzilla ending up with a longer snout than Toho's so I then thought about Godzilla mutating from an American Alligator for a more traditional Godzilla muzzle
okay I was wrong about the flop but imagine if they would have used stop motion rather than suitmation
From a scientific view, any fact has at least a small amount of bias. Plus as much as we love and respect the creators of Godzilla. We were not there. We do not truly know their thoughts and motivations. And Xenotarus chose to look at what happened in one way, while Gman chose another. Simply stating that something is used too much by producers or came from a tight budget does not get rid of any artistry that can be achieved.
One thing also. Godzilla isn’t real. As much as we love characters, they don’t exist. They are not ours. The creators get ownership, Yet their lives did not just revolve around Godzilla or Ultraman. They had lives too. Evidence of this is after Ishiro Honda was asked to make another film for the Hesei era, he said something along the lines of, “Can’t you let me make something else?” I just wanted to say that people’s memories get fractured over time. We don’t know how much they remembered. I recently moved, and I thought it was life changing, but now I find it hard to picture the old house.
My point is, the people who created Godzilla, indeed are People.
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Xenotaris,
You're half right. While Tsuburaya wanted to use stop motion special effects, he calculated before Godzilla was even designed that such a project would take exactly seven years to complete.
According to the book, "Eiji Tsuburaya: Master of Monsters", tokusatsu was developed as an art form out of the necessity of time. So while the style was developed due to resource constraints, Tsuburaya had no interest in turning back from it once the ball was rolling. Remember, after Godzilla '54 Tsuburaya had access to some of the most advanced visual effects technology in the world, including an optical printer of which only four existed by the time he got one. Tsuburaya founded a successful style, not unlike film noir of the 1940s or German expressionism in the 1920s and he wasn't turning back.
As far as "Gojira was a flop in japan" that is categorically, 150% false. I'm not sure where you got that idea, because literally every viable source speaks to the contrary.
According to Kogyotsushin, in 2021, the original film is the oldest movie in the top 25 most attended films of all time. It has an attendance record of 9.62 million which is higher than every Godzilla movie in Japan except for one. It was even more successful than Seven Samurai of the same year by 2.62 million tickets. The book, "Ishiro Honda: A Life in Film from Godzilla to Kurosawa" says, "The film set a new opening day record for a Toho feature," and explains how it sold out theaters. "Eiji Tsuburaya: Master of Monsters" also says it broke box office records becoming one of the biggest films of the year, earning awards and establishing Toho as, "the world's premier visual effects facility."
So while the 1956 cut, Godzilla, King of the Monsters helped Godzilla reach international fame, it was already a box office smash in Japan. There is no reason they would have fast tracked Godzilla Raids Again for a release three months later had it not been. There also would have been no insentive to green light Rodan and The Mysterians, both of which were completed before the American cut's release.
This is off topic, But I love the little editing mistakes in the original. The movie is great, but it’s age does show a little.
I’d say the Theropod because of how they are built is closer to Godzilla. But a crocodilians one could be interesting. But so could and Theorpod. But then again, a crocodile. But, Dinosaur, umm... I dunno, maybe you could do both and see what you like better
actually Gman, the reason why Godzilla became a Tokusatsu wasn't out of art but out of efficiency (Time is money friend!). Originally Godzilla was going to be stop-motion like King Kong (1933) but it would have taken Toho several years to complete all of the stop motion effects and that would have been very expensive for Japan's first monster movie. Initially Gojira was a flop in japan but became a success in America through Godzilla: King of the Monsters! (1956) which help pole vault Godzilla's popularity in Japan years later after the American Edit was redubbed in Japanese.
I've been toying around with some Godzilla designs in my own Homebrew Godzilla setting separate from my Gojiverse. Kind of bouncing back and forth between a crocodilian origin or a traditional theropod origin
@SarcasticGoji true, but toho made a deal with legendary that godzilla wasnt allowed to die, so godzilla isnt gonna die in the movie
that’s interesting
The trailer calls Godzilla the "God of Destruction."
This is one of his popular titles that has been used for GMK, Shin Godzilla and the Anime Trilogy.
Kong won't take the mantle of King I don't think but yeah Godzilla could just be killed and resurrected at some point.
I honestly think that the axe will either be gotten at the beginning or climax of the film. Kong and Godzilla will have fought a lot and Godzilla will have won a lot. King will get the axe and the fight will be even. King doesn’t care about the Titan Monarchy and if (and in my opinion when) he wins, he will not take superiority. Godzilla realizes that he is doing wrong in his rampages, and then they take down Mecha G together. I did not really explain all the details in my predictions but I put the basic storyline.
@MechaniKong
They killed Goji in 1954, 1995, technically 2001, and 1993, he was ressurected.
That sounds cool!
I try to emulate 1954 Godzilla in my design, but this image kind of fails to show that.
i love kong but he looks scared?
That's cool. My Godzilla design would be a fuse of 2019goji & 2004goji. And a lil design of the 2002 spikes. The mouth will split like shin's, a spike at the end of the tail like Gorosaurus, the atomic breathe will sound like the 2019, 2002, 2016, 1954 fuse sounds. And stands 154.14m tall. Roar is fuse of 2014, 2004, heisei's, & 1954
Godzilla Likes to Roar? Ok, I feel silly.
they are BUT..am really waiting to see if the official poster range comes close to matching the incredible artwork produced for GKOTM, lucky enough to have all of them :-)_.jpg)
waaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day I liked this! https://www.amazon.co.uk/Godzilla-Likes-Pictureback-Shape-Official/dp/0679891250
but toho wont allow for godzilla to die
Whoa, didn't know they did children's books.
These are really good.
It does have the movie characters though. It’ll probably be like, “kong is my friend. He fights giant monsters.” or something, I don’t write kids books.
Biollante should just be the King Of The Skullcrawlers
If Godzilla dies, it'll be by MechaGodzilla. Also this leak is 100% wrong
Oh no is right. Especially since Kong looks like this from "Missing Link":
Oh well, gotta start them young!
I guess I didn’t explain my reasoning, it was realistic I the sense that there was a natural disaster that had to be stopped. I don’t mean every tiny detail. If you watch the first two movies, you can see the difference.
I like In and Out
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and Oh no.
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SarcasticGoji,
Just because Godzilla '54, for example, wasn't "fun" doesn't mean it was "realistic". Out of the gate, Tsuburaya was not trying to compete with Hollywood. He called upon Japan's technique for miniatures inspired by bonsai plants, and the like, to create a completely unique look unto Japan. And he did.
That look endures today as a decision made by tokusatsu filmmakers. It's far less prevalent and more unique of a look than the fast food we see today.
@Gman
Your last statement confuses me. I said I like realism when I create art and appreciate it in others art. But I never said it was the reason I like Godzilla. Personally I think realism suits some of the very well, some are Gojira 1954 and Shin Godzilla and G(14) Godzilla didn’t start out as the fun franchise that many people know of today. I understand how you feel about CGI, but I kind of like fast food.
Battra, kiryu, king ghidorah or spacegodzilla
