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Ohhh yeah

SarcasticGoji,
I don't think there's any fighting going on. Just a lot of disagreements that some are taking too personally. As far as not giving the Monsterverse credit for not inspiring newcomers to watch other movies--Why should I if it's not? If that's something people are taking offense to, why? Even sonictiger said he wasn't going to, so he even helped that consensus. I don't really get it.

"Why can’t I voice my words, In the way I mean them?"

You can. And that's exactly what I'm doing. So I suppose I should ask the same question if this isn't the case.

Debate and arguments are part of discourse. In fact they keep things interesting. And on this particular forum, I don't think there's anything here that has been said that really necessitates the label of flame wars or harmful arguments. Just a lot of disagreements that some are taking too personally.

My favorite moment is when Godzilla blasted the MUTO’s head off

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Gman, my *point* is that the constant wars and arguments can turn new people off from the community, also, they're just pointless. :/

Hopefully GVK makes kotm rewatchable.

Wow Gman.  Do you aren’t even trying to stop arguments.

that’s disappointing

@SonicPanthera tigris

I don’t understand why you say that you like the film, but won’t watch it again because it keeps getting worse. I rewatch films I enjoy multiple times. If it is a consequence of other peoples opinions, I’d rather you rewatch again with a clean slate and find out what you like and don’t like. Then again, I don’t know if I’m just trying to enforce my experiences on you, so ultimately it’s up to you.

@Gman

Please understand I am not trying to offend you. You don’t have to bash SonicTiger for not wanting to watch older films. Maybe this is not your intention and I’m misreading this, “And I was going to praise it for getting other people to watch the other films, but if it's not doing that then I won't.” If I misread this please tell me. But doing that just incites more anger. 

Like I said (maybe, I can’t remeber if I said it yet.) saying things online is tricky. You can’t really convey emotion. 

I am not trying to be rude... I’m just tired of the fighting, and  when I first found this website , there wasn’t bickering that was obvious to me. I barely know anyone who is a Godzilla fan in real life. I’m just getting sad that this is happening. 
I am not trying to blame you. It’s just frustrating to me. 


can’t online communication be kinder? Why can’t I voice my words, In the way I mean them? It’s just I wish that this forum would stay on talking about cool things, not dividing the community. 

I mean no I’ll feeling.

@Gman,

But in my opinion it shouldn’t be. People should know to restrain themselves, especially online. Just because it happens and is inevitable doesn’t mean that it’s a good thing. Manners and respect are still needed. Just because we don’t know who they are and probably never will does not give me or anyone an excuse. As for solving this problem... I’m still thinking

sonictiger,
I do. And I've made them known in other threads. I think Kong: Skull Island is a solid movie, probably the best of the Monsterverse. And the best thing about King of the Monsters was it made Godzilla '14 look a lot better. Also have to give props to Bear McCreary's score--Which is probably the best score for a Godzilla film since 2003.

And I was going to praise it for getting other people to watch the other films, but if it's not doing that then I won't.

sonictiger,
Then ignore it.

G theorist,
None of this is really new. It's been going on with Godzilla fan forums since 1995. If some people don't like something there are inevitable clashes and in a lot of cases they were, much, much, much worse back then and in the early 2000s.

But you know what? Everyone landed safely. We survived the 1998 backlash, the massive headbutting over eras, death threats during the Millennium series and the division brought by Final Wars. People would get into flame wars and then land perfectly safe the very next week.

It's simply part of internet discourse. Always has been.

I know!  I can be a real B sometimes...  XD

Honestly, I still don’t see how this movie can do everything seen in the trailers in less than 2 hours

One thing I hate about this, Is the changing of opinion. No one should say things about a movie that they wouldn’t have said before, because people are squashing their opinions.

Don’t think I’m saying that I’m perfect and not doing anything, because that is far from true. Recently I’ve been trying to stop fighting

I’ve always loved the movie concept art style, I wish I could understand lighting like that

This is why I typically don’t share my opinion, I’d rather not have someone make a list to destroy everything on it.

I'm just quickly going to throw my own 2 cents into this discussion. Something I'll always say and will say again is that there is a difference between a GOOD movie and a movie you LIKE with this movie being a prime example of this.

Do I think this is a structurally and objectively good movie? No, far from it. The characters are a bit bland with motivations which don't make a lot of sense and which are for the most part pretty forgettable. You are supposed to care when the Mother (spoilers) dies, but you just don't care. There are likely other problems, but I'm just naming the big one right now.

But having said this you would probably think I either hate/dislike this movie or I think it's alright, but I love this movie. One of the main reasons being that this movie was clearly made by people who respects, understand and love this franchise and its characters. My mom who has never seen a Godzilla movie in her life can name the 4 main Kaiju and their individual personalities. When you watch the behind the scenes where they talk about the designs, you see how much thought went into every little aspact, making for some of my favorite/definitive designs.

I have so many fond memories from this movie. From the action with Rodan's awakening and the final battle to the beauty of Mothra's hatching with her original theme. I know it's fan service and there's a lot of it, but I've always loved that. This is the same reason why Ready Player One is one of my favorite movies from the last few years. Some my call it a cheap thrill, but little things like that make me feel like a kid again watching these movies for the first time.

To quickly conclude this, I love the Monsterverse and KotM specifically, but that doesn't mean they are "good" movies. Everyone will have their own experience and opinions and that's oké. For every terrible movie there will always be a person who likes it, it's discussing why they think that way which makes fanbases like ours. At the end of the day, if everyone had the same opinion, what would be the point of discussing anything?

Ok

@sonictiger , then you can DM him about it and talk. Arguments never solve anything.

Remember the days where people could just have an opinion without someone else raising pitchforks and torches? Yeah me neither...

This is actually what inspired me to change my signature (besides me just having a really jumpy attention span)

Yeah, everyone kinda needs to chill out. Even me, probably-

Honestly gman, it’s really annoying every time you decide to pound the MonsterVerse for being bad or “inferior to the other movies besides ‘98”

Any positive thoughts about these movies?

I try to keep it calm but some people (Gman) just trash talk about everything and it makes me mad.

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I'm just saying from experience when you get excessive with your passions people get turned off to the things you like, especially when you put down the spin-off or adaptation they like of what you like.

Like I said I tend to be an elitist when it comes to the Alien series when regards to that awful AVP movie directed by Paul W S Anderson or the Disney run of Star Wars or how the Terminator movies haven't been good since Terminator 2 or how people keep comparing Camp Cretaceous as being on the same serious level as the Live Action Jurassic Park movies, I personally find Camp Cretaceous to be very childish and flanderize many aspects of the franchise but that is a topic for another discussion.

It's like saying, "don't overkill your love for something" as well though. Some people get tired of hearing it.

"Its deja vu of 1998 all over again."

It's really not.

I'm not attacking your opinion. Its okay if the MonsterVerse isn't your cup of tea but don't overkill your disdain for the cinematic universe. It feels like no matter what hollywood does it can never please certain members of this fandom and a lot of new comers are driven away by like minded hardcore fans for liking the Legendary's Series instead of Toho's Series. Its deja vu of 1998 all over again.

Xenotaris,
Once again, you continue to misconstrue things you don't fully understand. For example, you're only looking for me hounding the Monsterverse at this point. If you've been paying attention, I've only been responding when asked about it and when I'm called into question (like in this thread). I'm even tired of talking about the Monsterverse as I feel I've explained why it's inferior in spades. No need to be a broken record unless asked--But we all are.

Thus, I will not refrain from stating opinions when asked and when the conversation is open to it. If someone asks, "Should the Monsterverse Continue after Godzilla vs. Kong," then that opens it up to those who don't think it should as well. If someone tells me, "Admit it's ambitious," and I disagree, I'm going to.

If you can't accept negative backlash, maybe don't ask the questions.

Grammarmonster

@SarcasticGoji

You mean Apu will get to see it before Homer?  Oh, No!!!

"they're", btw  :)

this is pretty neat

ah okay then

I was trying to make that segment from the perspective of muto prime herself

wait what? that is no fair!

not awful, but dang thats wacky dude

I would also try out Mothra (1961) and Rodan (1958) to get some backstory on those two monsters and maybe Ghidorah The Three Headed Monster but that one is optional

I might watch the OG and maybe 1962 kvg

When/if you do go on a Toho Godzilla marathon some of the latter Showa movies can be a drag to watch with all the stock footage you'll be seeing, mostly the reuse of Godzilla and Pals fighting King Ghidorah but its worth it because after the Terror of Mechagodzilla is the first Heisei Godzilla, I liked most of the Heisei series except for Godzilla vs King Ghidorah.

I watched Kong skull island and I was confused on why Godzilla was featured in the post credits

and then I watched the trailer for kotm and watched the movie and I liked it

and now imma hyped for Godzilla vs Kong