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dude a 3rd biollante form... that would be epic,that's a very interesting theroy that biollante can have a third form, what would that look like, a plant version of super/spacegodzilla???

ok if toho made a new series we can include other monsters and have ghidorah in one movie(preferably the last one) if it would be a small series, if it is longer than the heiesi series then maybe two. the other movies of that series can have either new ones or monsters with small movie apperences like megalon, titanosaurs, biollante, altought this new series that toho may start may have new monsters or be influenced by popularity. but if ghidorah was in a new movie, i would want him as the ultimate bad guy, being so smart and evil and can have mind control over human (can) and can actually injure godzilla and push him to the limits, they could have godzilla have assitance from mothra who would be the polar opposite of ghidorah, thats just my ghidorah movie idea.

Don't get me wrong I see why Ghidorah is a good enemy and acknowledge he needed to be returned to. I enjoy most of his movies with the exception of GMK and possisbly final wars which I have a love hate relationship with. To exclude his after the first movie would take away some of the best entries in the entire series however, now after he has been returned to and redone a break is needed. As this goes back to the endless cycle of return to a popular monster because he's popular while leaving other monsters without the chance to build a following, or at least maintain a steady 1. Rodan is my personal favorite monster so I'm hoping, despite my stance of not returning to the overused monsters with Rodan being on the cusp of that catagory, that he's a monster brought back if they do return any toho monsters, but I wouldn't be disappointed if a different more underused monster took his place. Main point being not 1 of the big 3 that I like to refer to them as including Mothra, Ghidorah, and MechaG 

I personally love Destroyah's design. It was just unfortunate that conventional suit actor effects weren't able to utilize the character.

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The oxygen destroyah would destroy any living thing in minutes. Man killed the first Godzilla. Than they created mechagodzilla 1993 which again killed Godzilla, even though he was ressurected about 60 seconds later. We buried him in an avalanche which took him 7 years to get out of and tossed him into a volcano which took him 5 years to get out of.

If you mean just monsters, Biollante can't die, just further evolves each time it's body is destroyed. Think about how weak it's first form was and than the next evolution was HUGE and was easily able to pierce Godzilla's skin, the third form would have been insanely powerful.

yes thank you gman, he is a cool monster, but he is if you think about it the same as spacegodzilla and even he did suffered because of the movie but he still seemed really powerful and evil.

It's unfortunate that monsters are judged by how powerful they are and what their backstories include these days. Considering this is an offshoot of the King Ghidorah thread, I think I'll leave my finer points there. Here I'll simply say:

Destroyah's a cool monster in theory, but there's nothing about him that was executed much differently than most Heisei beasts.

biollante deserves to be in a flim more than destoryah, she technically didn't even lose or die and she had a unique origins (the gcells part was orginal at the time)

yeah rodan seem like a good choice and i respect your opinions on the others

Destroyah could be brought back, in a sequel to the upcoming movie. We have no idea what weapons will be used in the upcoming movie. I could easily see a test weapon possibly something like the anti nuclear Bacteria from Godzilla vs Biollante creating him, thus he is made, once again by a weapon created specifically to combat and kill Godzilla that's where his symbolism lies it doesn't necessarily need to be a Oxygen Destroyer, it'd be nice but concessions would have to be made similar to how they'd have to change almost any Godzilla foe if they were to be brought back.

I could get behind more Rodan. I've always found it odd that there was never a Godzilla vs Rodan movie, but I guess there wasn't much of a point of it after Ghidorah: The Three Headed Monster. I suppose we can call that "Godzilla vs. Rodan: With a Twist to the Screenplay," it shows how innovative Toho was at the time. Giving us a simple Godzilla/Rodan match-up would've been too easy.

Gigan is another one, even though he's typically portrayed in a fairly dopey manner. IDW comics had a great backstory to Gigan, but Toho shot it down. It would've been cool to see the monster taken in that direction though.

The others I could take or leave. I don't dislike any of them, but as far as impressions go I don't have that much interest in seeing them again...

i have a feeling that this a topic based on my 'destroyah is overrrated' post

yeah kiryu's movies weren't good he looked cool and definatly better than mg2, mg1 is more terrifing, i would like a combo of kiryu and mg1

well if i picked monsters beside ghidorah or even mothra who need to have more movies about are, #5. orga (make him a creature who can adapt to anything and minus godzilla dna in his being) #4 megalon(make him more better, cooler and less generic) #3. rodan (possbilby give him a new seperate movie) #2. gigan( the same reason as anyone else) #1. biollante, she was an absolute badass, had an original concept at the time,the g cell plot works with her and it would be awesome. 

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I think you're still missing the point. It's not simply that King Ghidorah brought in mass ticket sales, it's that his popularity turned people on to both new series. Japanese attendence for Godzilla 1984 and Godzilla vs. Biollante were hardly par for the course. After vs. King Ghidorah was released, audiences clearly started paying more attention to the Heisei series.

In 1995 when Godzilla vs. Destroyah was released more attention was focused on Godzilla's death. Not Destroyah. When Toho markets a movie as the last of the series and toutes that Godzilla will die (as plastered on the poster) the thing audiences are going to see is the big payoff: His death. (And yet, vs. Destroyah still did less business than another movie with a very popular monster: Godzilla and Mothra: Battle for Earth.)

Destroyah was a wonderful idea for a monster, one that should be iconic, I agree. The problem is it was executed with the same type of style and attitude from the crew members as other Heisei monsters: A large, lurbing, overly stocky beast thay fires a beam. It didn't show audiences anything new. It didn't do anything that that SpaceGodzilla, Mecha-Godzilla or Biollante hadn't done-- a monster that sits there, looks massive and mostly shoots at Godzilla. Sure there's the multi-form trait, but nothing that we hadn't seen from Hedorah. Not to mention the Arregate Destroyahs crawling everywhere were done far superior in Gamera 2 the following year. (I mean Bandai toys? Really Toho?)

Meanwhile, King Ghidorah was the beast that first dwarfed Godzilla in both size and power, but he did more than brawl or beat away at Godzilla as seen in Raids Again, King Kong vs. Godzilla or Mothra vs. Godzilla. It was an invention by Eiji Tsuburya that was very different. A huge beast that was fast, chaotic and diligent at destroying cities quickly. Indeed, the roster of monsters did help his popularity, but that's part of the charm. How genius was it to pit three of Toho's toughest and most established franchises against one insane monster?

See, Destroyah has a great backstory, but that doesn't mean he was executed well enough to convince audiences how powerful he was. I've noticed here there's an argument that Godzilla was winning that battle most of the fight. I don't necessarily have a stance on it, but if the point is in contention amongst fans then it's clearly debatable.

Ghidorah: The Three-Headed Monster is not. It clearly took Toho's roster to beat King Ghidorah. And if anything, the next movie proved a stalemate is probable when Mothra isn't around to help.

That said, I do like Destroyah as I'm convinced all kaiju are unique in some way or another. I just think the style Kawikata brought him life with was uninteresting by this point. He could've been more. It's unfortunate most fans come to bat for Destroyah simply because of his backstory.

I have every Godzilla film on dvd, been a fan my whole life and have seen so many ups and downs. Destroyah was one of the lowest points in the series for me. I don't get why so many people love it. To put it bluntly, it's incredibly boring with some embarassing effects. The destroyah design is awesome . . .until you see it move, or attempt to move. It's so bulky and lifeless. Than we get the standard hesei series ray battles with neither opponent seeminging to get the upper hand.  Destroyah didn't come off all that powerful to me.The Junior/crab destroyah fight was better. Now when I first watched Biollante as a kid I was horrified. I thought Godzilla was going to die.

Oh and since we're talking about overrated creatures . . .Kiryu. BOTH Kiryu movies were so awful to me and while it's a better design than 93 Mechagodzilla, it's the least interesting/powerful of them all.

look i love that movie, it was the best movie to end the heisei series, i liked the fact that the oxygen destoryer, the weapon that killed the first godzilla was a cool twist in a movie that had a dying godzilla whose death could destory earth. but that's not the point, the point was that i think destoryah is a bit too overrrated, so much to the fact that somepeople want him in either in the maybe sequels of godzilla 2014, also anouther movie with destoryah would only work if this movie was a sequel to gojira 1954, if he has no direct link to the O.D in any future movie then that takes away from destoryah's symbolism.

King Kong was Godzilla's enemy, being a protagonist, antagonist, ect doesn't effect who his enemy is, an enemy is some1 who goes against something, and that's what Kong did. I don't know why you brought Destroyah up as I only referred to him 1 time before every1 else started talking about him, as I was mainly focused on Ghidorah not needing to be in any more movie, as I said. It's not hate, I actually would put monster Zero, and Godzilla vs King Ghidorah both in my top 10 favorite Godzilla movies of all time. I just think the character needs to be put aside so other monsters have a chance to build their fame and fan base instead of throwing them out with the idea Ghidorah is more popular and will make more money which ironically causes a cycle that makes it logical to always bring him back as he's constantly getting a fan base while other monsters don't get the chance to. 

You're entitled to your opinion GODZILLAFAN1995, but the fact is that Destoroyah is Godzilla's single most powerful enemy.

Why?

Because, as I've said in other threads, he's the ONLY opponent that was able to withstand over half a dozen blasts of Godzilla's red-spiral ray in close proximity without sustaining more than minor damage. The worst it did to him was start tearing at his wings and blast one of the frills off the side of his head. That's it. Mechagodzilla II was obliterated after 3-4 direct blasts, and Spacegodzilla was knocked over and forced to retreat into an energy form like Billante did after about 3-4 blasts.

And another important fact to consider about that fight is this: if Spacegodzilla hadn't had his power crystals in the first place, Godzilla could have kicked his ass a lot sooner given how quickly the tide turned at the end of the fight when his shoulder crystals were gone.

I don't believe you've watched the fight against Destoroyah enough. Godzilla is knocked down multiple times, draged around by his throat not once but twice, sliced and cut deeper than any other enemy has ever been able to do (in critical mass no less), and pushed to the brink before he finally hit the final stage of his meltdown.

It's not an opinion that Destoroyah is Godzilla's single most powerful enemy, it's a fact.

Monster X and Kaizer Ghidorah come close, but they're both the same creature and even in his final form, Godzilla only needed the mutant's boost of power to take him down and one, count it, ONE, red-spiral ray to obliterate him.

Destoroyah, unlike King Ghidorah or other fan favorite Godzilla foes, actually has a reputation which he's rightfully earned. In fact, I counted nine total blasts from the red-spiral ray before Destoroyah started flying away. Godzilla was knocked down three times, dragged around twice, and thrown entirely off the ground once before the fight ended.

Also, had the Super X III and the military not interfered, Destoroyah could have either sucessfully completed his retreat to fight another day as Godzilla melted down, or broken himself up and reformed again good as new to continue the fight.

Godzilla didn't defeat Destoroyah at all, the military's freezing weapons did. That fact, in and of itself, also counts towards Destoroyah's power and reputation.

Again, it's not an opinion that Destoroyah is Godzilla's single most powerful opponent. It's a fact. Even Godzilla's most powerful form couldn't defeat it, and in the end it took a weapon other than Godzilla to destroy it. Had Godzilla Junior's revived form engaged Destoroyah, I can guarantee he'd have lost handily when even his father's most powerful form couldn't prevail.

fuck king kong, you seriously are a ghidorah hater, im not going to just accept that ghidorah is either overrated or should not be in anymore movies and yes mecha g goes into that catagory, also king kong wasn't the antgonist nor the protaganist or the anti-hero/hero of the movie where as ghidorah in GtTHM was the true villian of the movie. ghidorah is a good monster in my opinion, not eveyone has to put destoryah as #1 in a top 10 godzilla monsters.

Not raging as much as pointing out facts behind why people see this monster as such a great enemy, or classify him as the strongest monster Godzilla's faced. 

Personally Godzilla vs Destroyah is my favorite movie of the series, not because of Destroyah but because of the story around the monster. Godzilla is at his peak of power to the point even the whole world is in danger, he's beaten every enemy he's gone up against from old rivals to new clones and he's stronger than ever before, what could possibly go against him besides the embodyment of the only weapon to ever kill a godzilla? While the monster itself is interesting it's the story the the movies creates all the things throughout the whole heisei era leading up to the final confrontation that makes him 1 of the greatest. We get to see Godzilla get to absorb stronger radiation in Godzilla vs Ghidorah. We get to see him get even stronger from Rodan and then finally it becomes too much for even him and while Destroyah is normally seen as the antagonist, for a small section of the movie you can see how he can actually be the protagonist for the humans who's world could end with him being the only thing that can possibly stop Godzilla before the melts down and takes japan with him. Granted that's somewhat thrown away with the ice weapon ending but the sentiment is there

If by your logic true enemy means some1 he never allied with then Kong is his first true enemy. Saying only a true enemy is some1 who appears in various movies and always antagonistic narrows it down basically MechaG Ghidorah, and Maybe Gigan for the most part. I can see the point of allies, but once again Kong never allied with him and even though he only appeared in 1 movie that's simply because TOHO doesn't have rights to him as I guarantee if they did we'd have seen at least 1 more Godzilla vs Kong movie by this point. 

can i just point out that this was 'MY'! opinion, i said to not rage at me because 'I' think destoryah is overrrated.

edit: forget what i just said, i realize that i asked for other peoples opinions.

Technically going off that was it not Ghidorah who got help before the computers were destroyed? Nothing weakened him physically after they were destroyed he just didn't have a human mind behind his physical strength to help him win. Once the computers were destroyed it was essentially 1v1 and Godzilla won. Well before Gigan left it was essentially 3v2 since the Godzilla tower had more than enough firepower to count as a monster itself while only being stationary. So if Ghidorah was so powerful could he not outdo Godzilla in a movie that the odds were the most stacked in his favor?

Yes Destroyah reformed and tossed him, but point is godzilla still had the wounds from Destroyah's horn while Destroyah showed no blood or injury from what had been done to him before. Had godzilla not hit critical could he have had any more power than what he already used? Eventually Destroyah would have worn him down as I said, most of the fight besides the small portion that Godzilla made him puke blood, despite getting wounded by the horn in the process, so arguably went even, it was in Destroyah favor. He's not just tough his offenses are also extremely powerful as 2 shots from his breath killed the baby who was basically Godzilla at that point in the series, and horn could wound even the adult Godzilla; that included in his sheer size and strength that he showed by easily dragging Godzilla and throwing him around adds enough credit to the argument that the monster had more than defense. 

why do i call ghidorah godzilla's FIRST true enemy, because he only fought angirus and king kong once(angirus soon being classed as his true ally) mothra is a mix between his ally and enemy and he fought rodan and became allies with him in ghidorah's debut movie and ghidorah has always been godzilla's enemy since his debut, even becoming mothra's enemy in the rebirth of mothra 1(des ghidorah) and 3

Ghidorah was the 4th monster to fight Godzilla. Definitely not the first true enemy unless you don't view enemies until Godzilla became a Good guy which I don't agree with. His first movie was extremely popular, HOWEVER it did have an incredible monster roster at the time of 3 bigtime already established monsters to bring in a crowd. To credit the success strictly to Ghidorah is completely wrong. Afterwards he's immediately brought back then returned again in Destroy all Monsters as the main antagonist, however at the time Ghidorah was the only space monster in the series and they weren't coming out with a new monster for what was supposed to be the final enstallment thus Ghidorah was the only monster that could fit the role of villain in that particular setting.

you say godzilla beat ghidorah 1 on 1 in godzilla vs king ghidorah but you do know godzilla only starting winning when he 'got help' from the humans who smashed to future peoples computer and messed up ghiodrah control which stunned him, i'm still going to defend ghidorah, also ghidorah is the enemy of course he's going to lose, also gigan almost tried to leave him. also when destoryah reformed all he did was toss him, that was it then godzilla (even though he was starting to melt) pretty much owned him, destoryah is very durable and tough, but that doesn't make him the most powerfull, at leat the way he was shown in the movie.

Rodan's power gave godzilla the spiral ray so it's safe to say that if the plating remained it would have been melted by the ray. Godzilla never used the ray until the end but I doubt something that almost instantly killed spaceGodzilla would have been hindered much by his tower being there.

And yes Godzilla made Destroyah puke blood, the Destrayah separated, reformed and showed no sign of injury and at and went back to throwing Godzilla around. Point still remains Godzilla had no real advantage till he hit critical the fight just went back and forth mostly in Destroyah's favor. 

Ghidorah's been beaten 2 times in fair fights between him and Godzilla. In Godzilla vs Gigan it was 2v2 and Ghidorah lost. In Godzilla vs King Ghidorah he was beaten again, without use of the spiral ray the Godzilla needed to beat almost every other enemy in that series. 

just remember ghidorah was the first true enemy (and still is) in the godzilla series, his appearence changed godzilla's agenda to anti hero and eventually the hero

also i thought most people did not like mothra, she is a good monster and the most brave, taking ghidorah head on as a larva, fighting godzilla when she is dying. godzilla, mothra and king ghidorah can work well as well, godzilla the anti hero, mothra the brave couragous goddess and ghidorah the planet destoryer.

GMAN2887 if we truly are just going off box office and ticket sales for why Ghidorah is brought back over other monsters then Destroyah who's movie outdid Ghidorah's movie by quite a substantial amount when it came out should get a reboot as despite being a known character Ghidorah couldn't outclass Destroyah's movie in terms of ticket sales. Granted there's the fact it was known that was godzilla's supposed last movie so maybe that's not a fair comparison, but SpaceGodzilla, another new monster who still currently only has 1 movie under his belt also outdid Ghidorah in ticket sales. 

Point being other monsters have done just as well if not better and have still not seen a return to their characters, so while it's true he does well, it is evident other monsters also hold that potential, toho just doesn't give them their chance. 

As a side note i completely disagree with Destroyah not being an iconic character. Being created by the only true thing to kill Godzilla makes him much more suited for the role of "ulitmate rival" in my opinion than a dragon from space.

well the only reason godzilla was able to take down super mg was because his diamond sheild melted due to rodans energy tranfering, spacegodzilla lost his crystal power tower, was tagged team by the asstitance of mogera(who destoryed his shoulder crystals) and was already dying before godzilla finished him off with his sprial beam. godzilla did more significant damage to destoryah, yes he tossed godzilla mutiple times but godzilla made him vomit blood and could hit him in close quaters and that was before when went crtical(melting point), yes destroyah could withstand the most powerful attack but he wasn't close to killing godzilla and the beam still hurt him, if anything he made him more angry by killing his son. and if your argument against ghidorah is that he has been defeated more times, then has he ever been defeated by 'just' godzilla (gmk does not count), oh and the gforce killing destoryah does not count either.

Godzilla at his meltdown was the strongest incarnation of Godzilla and most of the fight, Destroyh was clearly winning with Godzilla not having a chance. Godzilla was in Melee very strong, but Destroyh beat him a few times. That thing with the spiral heat ray is right, Godzilla killed Gidorah with his normal atmoic breath and Mecha and Space G had no chance against the power ray, but Destroyh took it a thousand times and was still beating Godzilla.

Yes, he was killed by the army, but this was a stupid ending, that was not the real ending. The reale ending is much better, in this, they shoot Destroyah the same way, he falls down but he don't die. Then he and Godzilla fight another times, this time the army helps Godzilla with their ice weapons and he finally beats Destroyah. It is so much better, Destroyah isn't killed by the army and Godzilla himselfs finishs him. But still, he was only able to kill Destroyh, because the army helped him.

I like Destroyah, one of my favorite monsters, but I think noboda likes all the monsters. A lot of people like Mothra, for me, it's a stupid butterfly. Everybode has a his own opinion.

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If you think Godzilla mostly kicked his ass I suggest you rewatch the fight as Destroyah was winning very obviously until Godzilla hit his critical temp and was giving off so much energy and heat even his spines were melting. 

Destroyah beating Godzilla for most of a fight when he's his most powerful has much more weight than almost killing him when he's in a weaker form. Sure MechaG was the closest to killing him, but then Godzilla aquired his spiral ray and took him out very quickly. The same spiral ray that Destroyah took point blank numerous times without flinching. Point is Ghidorah never even got hit by the spiral ray and was still beaten, MechaG took it maybe 3 times before he got destroyed, and SpaceGodzilla took it maybe 4 or 5 before he was beaten, but Destroyah fought when that was the only thing being used on him.

If any1's overrated it's Ghidorah who has been beaten by Godzilla more times than any other monster but still is considered the strongest by those who argue against it being Destroyah.

The thing is, no matter what Godzilla could throw at Destroyah, he would simply shrug it off and either not care, or recombinate out and back into his Final Form. Even when it seemed that Godzilla had the upper hand in the end, Destroyah would likely just recombinate as he did before, and couldn't truly be killed, like how the only thing that truly killed any Godzilla iteration was the Oxygen Destroyer and a self-induced-uncontrollable nuclear meltdown. Besides, almost every monster has some sort of specific weakness, and Godzilla didn't possess the means to exploit Destroyah's, but G-Force and the JSDF did, just like how Dr. Serizawa did as well in 1954.

I dont get it when people say "done to death". He has been in alot of movies, or "done to death" as some say because he is a popular foe of Godzilla. And lets be honest, there is a reason.

Its like Batman and The Joker. The Joker is probably also the Batman villain thats been done mostly, but that doesnt mean we wouldnt want too see him in a new medium. 

This isnt another TOHO movie/Batman comic, where Ghidorah/The Joker could be featured, its an american remake/film adaption (think Burton here people).

And if he wasnt featured at some point, it would be a shame. It doesnt have to be in the first, second or third movie. He might not another movie, but he deserves it. And i would happily accept him.

5. ghidorah the three headed monster

4. godzilla vs destoryah

3.king kong vs godzilla

2. GMK

1. Godzilla vs King ghidorah

honourable mentions: terror of mechagodzilla, godzilla vs biollante, godzilla final wars, invasion of the astromonster, gojira/godzilla 1954

i agree with you gman,he's cool but i ever saw destroyah as the most powerful monster, he only withstood godzilla's beam at the height of his power, but he didn't even get close to killing him or overpowering him, godzilla kicked destroyah's ass more than destroyah did to godzilla. and nothing is wrong with re using ghidorah even with mechagodzilla, in godzilla vs king ghidorah, ghidorah was winning untill his control was severed and it stuned him, but destoryah had a weakness. ghidorah also works as godzilla greatest foe in that he has no weakness, is powerful and has high durability.

Yes, the Wii Version of Godzilla Unleashed, that looks much better than the Ps2 Version. The worst thing is, that on the back of the shell, there is a picture showing King Caesar and Krystalak fighting. But they aren't in the Ps 2 game, so it's just lying.

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