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He was engaging. So that's something.

"No, I disagree. Seems strange we somehow know better than the studio whether a film is a flop or not. It's the bottom line that counts for them, not how it compares to other allegedly similar movies."

Godzillatheking123,
How it compares to similar movies should be pretty obvious. There's no precedence for the studio to have the final word on that. Be honest, do you not find it the least bit concerning that two movies based on a passing novel and dead video game franchise are likely to do better?

As for who decides what is and isn't a flop--The problem with this thinking is perception. The studio may be happy with profits, but that doesn't guarantee the perception that it was a success. The way audiences and media perceive a movie is what studios notice and studios act on those perceptions. This happened the first time with Godzilla in 1998:

“The movie made $375 million worldwide, and THE PERFECT STORM made $325 million. Also, GODZILLA made a billion dollars in merchandise. Sony Pictures was happy with what they got. They knew that because of the media reception, they couldn’t do a GODZILLA 2." - Roland Emmerich [Source]

The same thing happened with Transformers: The Last Knight. For the longest time, the Transformers movies were making so much money that negative perception didn't matter. The Last Knight didn't remotely flop, but it made a significant amount less than its predecessors. Coupled with the negative reaction from audiences and media, this forced Paramount to halt their "Hasbro universe" plans with G.I. Joe.

So while a studio or production company can reap the benefits of a production that's poorly received, it is historically media and audience perception that discerns a flop. Godzilla '98, was not a financial flop, but it's constantly cited as one. Notice we have no sequel to it.

My vote is for Legendary Godzilla 

Mecha-Ghidorah!!!!!! Would be so ****ing awesome!!!! Or maybe use it to create a new kaiju from his and other Kaiju cells, a new origin for Destoroyah maybe or some new Kaiju. Maybe Kiryu has the memories of Ghidorah instead of Godzilla, who knows?

I didn't say that there was two endings...there was one ending with two versions. One with the Godzilla roar (Japanese version) and one without the roar (US Version).

Yes I too agree that neither one should perish.  But let them both fight at one point in the movie and maybe the writers and producers can make them unite later on in the movie to kill the bad guy! Lol This could perhaps unite both fan bases! Maybe? What do ya think? lol

Man, this is great! Can’t wait for the next chapter!

That was a pretty good start. I like the use of Zilla.

It's finally time

I liked him.Well written and well acted.

Anguirus my fave classic Kaiju next to Godzilla

I mean in doing my part. Just got back from seeing it my 6th time.

 I didn't say that there was two endings...there was one ending with two versions. One with the Godzilla roar (Japanese version) and one without the roar (US Version).

Yes I too agree that neither one should perish.  But let them both fight at one point in the movie and maybe the writers and producers can make them unite later on in the movie to kill the bad guy! Lol This could perhaps unite both fan bases! Maybe? lol

D Man also put out a video like this, but he's always a reliable source.

Basically, whilst not great, the film likely won't "flop" as in actually fail to turn a profit. According to him, it's already done better than the 2 Pacific Rim movies in the same amount of time.

When I see videos like that, it shows me just how in denial this fandom is.

I don't think the film will be a flop as far as actual technical flops go, but it's certainly not looking to be a financial success story.

Unfortunate, but at least we can put that behind us and focus on the future.

It was not two endings but one with only a roar lacking in difference 

It was a classic monster movie trope to have the "hero" kaiju win just like how Mothra won King Kong won but of corse he did not kill godzilla 

And we can both agree that Kong and Godzilla need to survive

My favorite is and always will be Showa but got a soft spot for Godzilla 90's because he was almost always my main game Kaiju I'd play as

And legendary is epic

Minor soft spot for Godzilla 98 only for its tv series loved watching that on the tv

Godzillatheking123: No, I disagree. Seems strange we somehow know better than the studio whether a film is a flop or not. It's the bottom line that counts for them, not how it compares to other allegedly similar movies.

My favorite monster has to be Ghidorah. What I loved about this movie is they do everything to make him as evil as possible. Unique personalities for each head, with the middle head being an evil mastermind. Unlike the other monsters, Ghidorah seems to personally hate humans and enjoys killing them. He does this not just with a swift strike but actually toys with them. Having a F5 hurricane wherever he goes to create disasters and obliterating DC, regenerating limbs with ease, and dispatching a storied monster in Rodan all help to show how dominate The False King is. Even maintaining the monsters alien origins, which I as well as many fans did not expect them to keep. In short, I loved this movie because it treated these monsters and this franchise with the respect that they've earned over the past 65 years. Here's to 65 more years of Godzilla and Friends!

In the ending scene of the 1962 King Kong vs. Godzilla movie there are actually two versions. There is a slight difference between the two versions that implies King Kong may have been the winner, though: In the American release, we hear the sound of Kong roaring as he swims away at the end of the film and Godzilla never surfaces.  The omission of Godzilla’s roar at the end of the US version certainly could create the impression in viewers that only King Kong had survived. In the Japanese version, however, there are two roars — Godzilla first, then Kong.  This would dictate an ambiguous draw!  There was never a sinking dead Godzilla and clearly no definitive winner!  I too wanna see a great fight, but if MonsterVerse is to continue, you cannot kill off Godzilla! There’s too many other cool Monster’s too fight and who knows.  If Hollywood does it right, the two titans could possibly team up to fight off another evil Alpha Monster who's intention is to destroy the world.

 My favorite Titan is & always will be Godzilla! He's not just a monster, or a God or even animal but by hero! Watching GKOTM 3 times always keeps putting a smile on my face everything about it is a work of art but it also is dedicated to MonsterVerse fans of young & old. My favorite part might be the where Dr. Serizama died saving Godzilla in the hallow earth scene of the lost city of Atlantis which is was the home of Big G. The acting from Ken Watanabe was amazing to see as well as watch let alone hear in his voice. I loved all his lines especially his last ones in those scenes.

"Sometimes... in order to hear our wounds, we must make peace with the demons who created them".

"Saraba, tomo yo" (Goodbye, old friend.) 

That scene moved me so much to tears of emotions because it was a a full circle from 1954 Gojira with Dr. Serizama man who was killing Godzilla to save the world due to the mistakes humans made that created him, now this Dr. Serizama made peace with him know he was worth saving as well as dying for to save the world from the mistakes humans made about trying to destroy it through blind arrogance using Monster Zero as the false king. It was so sad & yet such joy the moment seeing Godzilla is revived from the ocean as his main theme played showing his close-ups which was the coolest thing I've ever seen as he glowed with the beautiful blue atomic energy getting stronger through Dr. Serizama's resolve. "Either we all come together or we fall apart. We must take responsibility for our mistakes & learn from them." By doing so, this shows how much Mothra trusted the humans like Dr. Serizama & Monarch to do the right thing to confront the real enemy on both our side & their side with King Ghidora threatening the planet & help Godzilla who is their the saviour become the new King. 

Godzilla is my favorite because he is my hero since I was a little boy. My mom introduced me to the original Godzilla from The Showa series. Yes they were in English dub at the time but I didn't care I was having fun watching Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, & King Ghidora through all the movies that still make me a kid at heart, the thrill of seeing towering buildings crumble under their might, their roars so loud it can be heard through out the world, their epic battles making the whole earth shake. I'm still like that & the director Michael Dougherty along with everyone on the set with the cast are all fans of the Godzilla movies since their were young. That just puts a smile on my face their efforts to please the audience fanbase or anyone new to the Monster-Verse. I can't wait to see Big G take on Kong next year, that's gonna have me on edge of my seat like this one did! Spectacular & Epic! I just keep wanting to watch it more & more because this is my high at the movies for now. Can't wait to own on home video for 4K format & digital this gonna be so friggin awesome to have as a Kaiju fan. This is now on my top favorite movie list of all time. Long Live The King of the Monsters that is GODZILLA! 

I don't think the re-shoots thing is true. But the switching dates are. August is the perfect month to place it as there is virtually no competition at all, just a bunch of indie films and less-known films with no nerd culture element at all. March was once filled with no competition, but with Mulan, Pixar's Onward, A Quiet Place 2 and a bunch more films flooding the March date, it's quickly becoming a death zone for GvK so I'm glad they switch the date. This will also give them more time to polish CG and VFX stuff. If they chose August which I hope they would, it would give GvK big box office money with long legs, of course, good marketing and word of mouth will boost it further especially this film will attract more normies than KOTM thanks to the two BIG names pitting each other in the big screen since the 60's.

What I love most about KOTM is that it respects Toho's roots as a Godzilla film. Besides the Toho-esque but freshly molded designs of the Titans/kaijus, their iconic sounds, and magnificent roars, and the soundtrack that makes the film magical with the accompanying scenes that weave with the classic motifs (a bit like how Honda and Ifukube create some of their scenes). I appreciate their passion for making this film, as a love letter to the older eras of Showa and Heisei. I also appreciate the few real-world themes that carry this film like from the environmental issues to military intervention, it's one of the staples of the Godzilla franchise. Add that with a lot of easter eggs, nods, and references as an icing on the cake that our super fan, Michael Dougherty had given to us. This is my definitive Hollywood Godzilla film and a Godzilla film that I really love like the franchise was.

For the human story, I didn't really expect a master class story so I leave the film not too disappointed with it. I only love the bits of the world building with the Titans origins and their symbiotic relationship with ancient humanity as well as the co-existence between humans and Gojira with the benevolent Titans as a possible solution to a growing modern Titan-human problem. Also, Serizawa's sacrifice is touching and honorable, just like the 54' I'm honestly sad to see him gone, his character is one of my favorites in the Monsterverse.

About the favorite Titan, it's pretty hard to say, at least for me, on which one is really is my favorite one. I love them all and the filmmakers made them so good to match with the classics, I can't even decide. But for the sake of it, I'll honestly pick Mothra as my favorite Monsterverse Titan right now mostly because she stole the show on the film which I didn't actually expect at all (I thought it's Rodan who will steal the show) and I'm thankfully ecstatic when seeing her on the big screen. Other than that, her presence on every scene is so awe-magnifico and really beautiful to watch especially her god-rays and the colorful bioluminescence. Her iconic music and sounds spices it up more to bump it on my no.1 spot (formerly it's Godzilla). The filmmakers did an excellent job with her (as well as every kaiju thing in this film). I also love the inclusion of the twins. I'm still Team Ghidorah though for the sole reason that he would win the dominance realistically if the humans didn't intervene with the fight of Gojira and friends, no major spoilers though for that.

As for the new Titans, Titanus Behemoth is my favorite out of the new 4 that was shown on-screen. His design is quite a breath of fresh air to see. His design is mammalian looking with a unique fusion of ape, elephantine and sloth design. In fact, we rarely see any mammal type kaijus on the big screen besides Kong and I'm glad they made another one. I hope we see more of them in GvK.

Fun Fact: This Titan was created for the sole reason that Kong doesn't have any giant mammal friends, to begin with, according to Michael Dougherty.

Um first in the original movie King Kong did win the fight so there's that

Second we don't know Kongs full abilities yet so he could surprise you

Personally i just want a great fight 

I'd have to say watching the movies with my dad can't remember the first one i watched just that i would stay up late to watc marathons of old monster movie's and Godzilla was always my favorite. Nothing beats just watching them with my dad back then.....

Echoing what everyone else said, this is a great design, albeit not for Ghidorah. It's easy to see why they would go this route for the concept art. They definitely had the idea from the beginning that Ghidorah was going to be an extraterrestrial alien, and this look definitely embodies that.

My favorite monsterverse Titan had to be Mothra, because the movie started with him and how it would eventually do its part on helping/saving the the king of kings (Godzilla) to be able to with stand all the fighting he faced especially Ghidorah!

The best part of Godzilla King of the Monsters, on a serious note was that gave a story line more pinned pointed for the making of all the monsters to appear and come face to face to the leader only in the end to find out their true leader! Godzilla King of the Monsters! On a broader perspective gave each scene more action packed a bit more detail on the story line for every character who took part and how they would help or interfere in the action packed monster scenes!

The best part of Godzilla King of the Monsters, was every single scene and detail that was missed on Godzilla 2014!

I think it's pretty clear what's embarrassing if you have 1 of if not the premier giant monster name behind your film and throw aways from books like the meg, or dead video game franchises like Rampage outgross you. Studios buy characters for marquee value if the return on that can be made by less known or iconic things there's no point in buying that name. No one likes making sequels and seeing continuous lower returns which is the clear case with the monsterverse thus far, and when they dump almost 200mil(not counting money spend on advertisement) into a movie and see a 300mil total that's not a reassuring number.

Godzillatheking123,
I think claiming only studios can decide what's "embarrassing" really deflects the issue: Far lesser movies, based on far less iconic material, may in fact gross more than a movie with a massive legacy to its name. Godzilla's name should carry some sort of draw--At least a draw greater than a niche video game and semi-popular novel. The fact it hasn't had the same momentum is pretty embarrassing.

Now, while it's true Legendary may get more out of the Chinese market because they're owned by Wanda - who controls massive theater chains in both China and America (AMC) - there's been no official word on that for this production. In fact, everything about the Yahoo article (which you can just read on you're own - we really don't need a youtuber to do it for us) is unofficial. No one from Legendary actually came out and said they weren't worried--This is all coming from analysts and undisclosed sources. So we're not sure how Legendary feels outside of extrapolating Toby Emmerich's comment about pushing back GvK. (And even he isn't necessarily in charge of Legendary.)

Additionally, the Chinese box office take for Godzilla is, unfortunately, slowing. Movies in the market are very front loaded and the life cycle for foreign films in China is about 3-4 weeks--Godzilla is tracking $48M behind Skull Island's final Chinese take of $168M. Once the Chinese run is finished we'll be seeing far less revenue world wide.

Even Japan, where it has been pretty successful, has had to check its initial $40M prediction. It may have to crawl past $30M--Barely beating 2014.

I loved how much it played out like the 90s Toho Godzilla’s, but with a much larger scale. I thoroughly enjoyed King of The Monsters.

My favorite Titan is of course Godzilla, but I’d give Ghidorah a close second.

G. H. (Gman): I don't think what is considered "embarrassing" is for us to decide, it's ultimately what the studio decides. And as MR H indicates, this is more like a Chinese co-production (Legendary), so they will keep the bulk of the revenue in the Chinese box office.

my favorite parts of KOTM was anything involving Mothra, i started to tear up pretty much every time she was in a scene. The beginning when maddie touched mothra, when mothra exited her cacoon, her fight with rodan and obviously the final scene she is in. All the callbacks to the showa movies really got me too, Serizawa's fate, the oxygen destroyer, mothra's theme (speaking of the music is so good in this movie, especially the credits song), the shobijin, you can tell this was made by someone with a lot of respect to the source material.

And of course Mothra is my favorite, she's been my favorite for as long as i can remember, but I'm really excited to see Behemoth and the other titans do in GvK. 

Youtube video aside, I still think it's a little too early to say one way or another.

Looking long term: When compared to other, similar, big budget, "dumb-but-fun" monster movies of the last several years I could see why it might be remembered as a bomb.

The fact is this movie has "Godzilla" in the title--It really should be leading the charge of these giant monster movies. But now there's a very real possibility it won't hit the world wide gross of inferior, throwaway flicks like The Meg and Rampage. And even those were only considered "modest" successes by studios and pundits.

If KotM finishes behind those movies, that's really embarrassing. Hopefully it can at least reach Pacific Rim's gross...

Man,this film was just.......AMAZING. KOTM just starts with Godzilla's roar. Pretty symbolic as Kong Skull Island ended with his roar and the new movie began with it. First our boy Michael Doughtery IS A FAN OF THE MOVIE HE'S DIRECTING. You couldn't go wrong with his direction and team of writers. Mothra basically got a buff in this film, which is nice, The biggest node to the twins too oooohhhhh mmmmmmaaaaaaannnnnnnn, and her OG roar was included in. Rodan had an AWESOME ENTERANCE. He came out and right after that starts fighting the military in a perfectly put sequence. Then Mothra and Rodan start fighting, it was cool so cool to see them on screen together since the early showa era of flims and it warmed my heart. King Ghidorah. The way he came out slowly and just a obliterates the soldiers. I loved the way the heads were each unique and their roar, I was waiting to hear some of his OG sounds like he'd always make but I didn't his new roars and sound effects were chilling enough for me. The one thing I'm thrilled about is the fact they kept Ghidorah's origins from the showa films, ALIEN.......yes he is. It opens so many possibilities and its exciting. You know this entire movie opens sssssoooo many possibilities and that only is just exhilarating. It's a damn good time for Godzilla fans and the newcomers.

What I loved about KoTM was how it played out like a classic Godzilla film. It had people driving the plot, but had plenty of monster action in between! Godzilla faces the new enemy, only for them to get away, forcing him to chase them and fight a few more times before finally reaching the epic climax! I love how each of the monsters felt like distinct characters, and how much power each one wielded. Ghidorah was interesting with how each of his heads had different personalities, Rodan pretty much kissed the boots of whoever was in charge, and Mothra was absolutely gorgeous. My absolute favorite thing that drives the film home for me, though, is the soundtrack. The use of the classic themes is beautiful, and the original Godzilla theme being worked into the music that plays during Godzilla's first fight with Ghidorah still gives me chills. Overall, a great movie that I will enjoy over and over again!

My favorite Titan would of course be the G-Man himself. I really like how he is portrayed as a true force of nature whose goal is to protect his planet and assert himself as the true king of the monsters. He felt a bit more fleshed out in this film, like how he strobes the glowing of his dorsal plates to intimidate, and I also felt his connection with mankind in this one. Honorable mention, Mothra is an absolutely gorgeous Titan, and it's great how she was such a team player in this film. It felt right in character for her to help out in the way she did.

While this was awesome, it's not nearly as strong as Burning Godzilla is. That's the strongest Godzilla in the entirety of the movies and always will be.

I will always call it Nova Godzilla, because Godzilla is basically a walking star in that form. Melting everything, and at the end, he goes Supernova.

I have been a Godzilla fan since I was young, my mon who is in her 70's introduced me to the King of the Monsters Godzilla along with Rodan, Mothra, and King Gidorah.   I have all the movies even the original one with Raymond Burr, I cannot really say which one is the best as they are all different and introduce many different Kaiju.    My mom would say that back in her day Godzilla was considered a Horror/Monster Movie.      I have to say that the part that got me hooked about the reboot was how the redid all the monsters and when I took my daughter to see Godzilla 2014 she was almost out of her seat when the flame scene came on, that was exciting and everyone cheared in the theatre.    I hope that there is plenty of more movies to come in the future

If phase 2 does happen I would like to see a little bit of the old and new.     There are ones that I would like to see come back like Angilus, Gigan, and a couple more but also add some new Kaiju to the mix that are created by our talented artists that are working on this project know.