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Hi, Gojira316.

My name is Nick.

I am a huge fan of Godzilla.

I don't what might be the end of GVSK.

I really hope those two can become well... Allies in the end.

If Possible, If GvsK is Going to be the last monsterverse, Maybe you and me can work on a project that is Monsterverse's legacy.

I really look forward to Rise of The King Book of yours.

P.S. I don't know how you will get it on Amazon.

But i bet it will be exciting!

Nickodzilla

here is an updated link that won't need permission https://docs.google.com/document/d/12V2iBojrc3h6_5SoSvJCdof_MQtgRMZWqdopNoT5xvY/edit?usp=sharing

i gave you permission. 

G. H. (Gman),
But even switching over to "Godzilla's POV" has its drawbacks. I'm watching him battle a creature that the film already established he won against and literally put on ice. Their first battle ended with King Ghidorah retreating. Their second battle was interrupted with Godzilla clearly having the upper hand. (Made worse by Dougherty later confirming Godzilla would've won that round had the military not interfered.) The movie established the least threatening variation of the monster yet building with little or no suspense to the final battle. There was never a moment I thought, "how is he going to win this one?" Like Ghidorah: The Three Headed Monster or The Planet Eater. It was just noise to me--I hate using this comparison, because it's overdone, but it reminded me of the exhausting, jumbled battles in Bay's Transformers movies. I just wanted it to end.

This prototype is obviously incomplete. It needs a tree in Kong's free hand.

"C'mon, Goji, time to eat yer veggies!"

here is a cover draft, (not final art) if anyone is good at Godzilla art online, at wouldn't mind making one for me, let me know!

this is set between Godzilla KOM and Godzilla vs KONG, it is just an idea of what should happen

I first saw Godzilla in Godzilla 2010. But i really became a fan just a few months ago.

Thank you and Happy New Year to you as well.

dk
You definitely made a mistake shutting off 2014 before it finished, all the actual monster stuff happens in the last quarter. I'd advise picking up where you left off so you don't have to sit through the parts you didn't like again.

G. H. (Gman)
Yes, but a well-constructed or bombastic fight scene can be a joy in and of itself, no preestablished stakes required. If Planet Eater had been two original kaiju I most likely would have felt differently, but it was Godzilla and Ghidorah battling, those names come with a long history of kinetic combat that I don't think should have been disregarded so quickly. The final battle felt like the producers finally giving us what we wanted out of an anime Godzilla in the first place, but in the least-fulfilling way possible that didn't utilize the limitlessness of animation in any way.

Aside from the human assistance KOTM's climax was Godzilla's fight with Ghidorah, not the human characters. Godzilla is facing off against his mortal enemy, the biggest and most enduring threat to his life and home that's been haunting him for millennia. If you switch POV I'd say that battle has some more stakes. Think of KOTM as Godzilla's movie that spends too long with the supporting cast. :P

Not much change, but this looks like an improvement to me compared to the design in KOTM.

Gomi: Ninja Monster,
I disagree completely. The staging of action should be interesting, but action should compliment the stakes in some form. And while I'll concede the battle between Godzilla and King Ghidorah wasn't particularly kinetic, there was a real sense of two gods in a suspended confrontation, literally looming over the fate of mankind's remnants.

Nothing about the climax of King of the Monsters struck me as particularly exciting or complimentary to the otherwise grating characters. In fact, I probably could've done with some shots trimmed out.

LOL it even reminds me a little bit of this 

It is a neat sculpt but the scale seems wrong. Godzilla is way bigger, even in the Monsterverse trilogy. May as well throw a raptor and Xenomorph in the mix for good measure.

I liked 2014 for the creature design and some sequences, but was pretty bored with most everything else- enough to shutting it off before the end. The characters bored me to tears and I simply didn't care about them.

I had initial misgivings for KOTM. For me, it seemed to have 3 parts regarding characters. 

The first part was all about the creatures while the human characters wee mostly insignificant save for the scientist and female military leader- can't remember the names.

The second part is where human characters developed while the monsters took a back seat. Fair enough since we knew about the monsters by now.

The third part was engaging for me since I knew most of everyone's motivations- humans and monsters.

I know KOTM doesn't list well with hardened fans, and that is fine. But for a casual fan, it drew me in and made me want to pay attention to what is coming next and maybe checking stuff out from the past- like Shin.

It should be remembered that the franchise needs to attempt satisfying old fans while attracting new ones. KOTM roped in a casual fan who is motivated to check out more. 

I will not kid anyone and say I will watch the entire catalog. I will continue forward with the current trilogy and likely back track to Shin since it gets such high praise on the Forum.

Happy new year everyone, wish you all a year full of happiness and luck. Cheers to another decade of monster goodness.

I can't quite fathom that mindset, the point of action is to be interesting, but I get the part about stakes. Again, Planet Eater had good stakes, and even a great introduction to Ghidorah showcasing just how unstoppable he was, but to then cut back from the high tension character moments to Godzilla slowly resisting barely moving space noodle necks would snap me out of it every time. Were it a wrestling match or Godzilla firing and flailing desperately it wouldn't have bothered me, what we got felt like cutting back to a statue every couple minutes.

I usually find any action, kaiju or otherwise, to be hopelessly boring if the story and characters don't justify it with high stakes. I suppose that's why The Planet Eater works for me where King of the Monsters does not. The Planet Eater set up the stakes where humanity was literally going extinct on-screen. King Ghidorah was such a nightmarish terror wiping out the remains of humanity that you couldn't help root for the few that were left. So as slight as the confrontation was, it had enough gravity to be exciting. Whereas King of the Monsters made me wonder why I was supposed to be rooting for Godzilla.

Hmm. Thanks for letting us know. Will look in to it.

JurassicKaiju14,
I forgot about that line from Tokyo SOS. Good catch, yes, that's another example of at least acknowledging it.

Tokyo is such a vast city that saying, "Godzilla's attacking Tokyo," means about as much as, "Godzilla's attacking Texas!" Well, okay, where? Tokyo is the third largest city in the world. Godzilla could be attacking and a good portion would be fine.

Interestingly, after the original film, Godzilla didn't attack Tokyo again until Destroy All Monsters (1968). He fought against other monsters in the Tokyo area throughout the 1970s films where it became a catch-all for monster mayhem.

Nice, this is staying remarkably civil for a ranking post. Guess I can toss my list in then.

5. Planet of the Monsters
4. The Planet Eater
3. Godzilla 2014
2. Shin Godzilla
1. KOTM

I'm not denying that Shin is a superior movie in terms of general quality, but KOTM has the top spot for the same reason Final Wars used to share no.1 with Shin: I like kaiju action, occasionally goofy, nonsensical, giant monster brawls. No amount of technically questionable plot or story decisions and character writing will change that. Same reason 2014 beats Planet Eater. Aside from Joe Brody the main characters of '14 were boring to watch, but when Godzilla and Co. were actually on screen it was glorious, whereas Planet Eater had the exact opposite problem. The plot and character drama actually got me intrigued and invested in PE, but aside from the initial epic entrance of Ghidorah the monster segments almost bored me to tears. That is inexcusable for a Kaiju film in my opinion.

Had the anime trilogy been its own thing I might have looked on it more fondly as an interesting twist on the kaiju formula, but with Godzilla's name and pantheon attached it's just disappointing. I still think the core new ideas are great and even cool for Godzilla, I just wish they had gone further with the kaiju's roles and action scenes.

@Titan of Water

I know, KotM for me is the most rewatchable, but as far as quality goes, it's at the bottom of the list. 

Aw what they heck, why not both.

Based on enjoyment:

1. KOTM 

2. Shin Godzilla 

3. Godzilla 2014

4. Planet of the Monsters 

5. City on the Edge of Battle

6. Planet Eater 

Based on Quality:

1. Shin Godzilla 

2. Planet of the Monsters 

3. Planet Eater

4. Godzilla 2014

5. City on the Edge of Battle 

6. KOTM 

I don’t know whether to make my list based on enjoyment level or quality level, cause that choices will make a big difference where KOTM ends up.

I found one on Amazon. I don't mind overdubs since most older Godzilla movies and other movies have had them. Some are pretty good while others are ridiculous. What I don't like is reading dialogue while action is happening. 

G. H. (Gman) Yeah, they do seem to swap locales quite a bit, don't they? One movie it's Tokyo, then it's Osaka, then it's Yokohama or Fukuoka or Nemuro...truth be told, I've learned the names for a lot of Japanese locales via the Godzilla series.

On a related note, I do remember from my viewing of Tokyo S.O.S. that they were going to try and steer Godzilla into fighting Kiryu into the Shinigawa area of Tokyo because it was still damaged from the last movie, and they wanted to minimize urban destruction in the surrounding area as much as possible.

That sort of thing is addressed in the Gamera trilogy, though as it turns out the monsters never attack the same place twice.

Actually, most of the time neither do Godzilla and his adversaries--But the rebuilding portion is never addressed like Gamera.

dk,
There is an English dub by the same voice actors FUNimation uses for their anime--So it's quite... "animated".

I can't deal with English dubs, but Shin Godzilla is very dialog heavy and just missing one line could potentially throw the entire movie off for you. On the other hand it's made it very rewatchable.

I think it would be interesting to see G return to a Tokyo that is still rebuilding and squash their progress LOL! They never learn!

dk Oh, I daresay Tokyo will be rebuilt...by the power of plot convenience!

@dk

I borrowed the movie from the library twice, and both times I watched it in the original Japanese language with English subtitles, but I never checked to see if there was an English dub. I did just google it, and I read that there is dub in both the blu-ray and dvd, so you should be able to see to see it in English no problem.

KingSalomonMMIV I am looking to see if there is an English dubbed version since I would rather not deal with subtitles. Thank you.

@dk

Yes, Shin is a must see

It is sounding more and more like Shin is the one to see. 

We definitely need a GMan version of this breakdown to contrast my list hahaha

Happy New Year to you as well.

Maybe in the 20s we will see Godzilla come back to a Tokyo that hasn't started rebuilding from the last visit!

I don't particularly like listing, but my certainty is that Shin Godzilla was easily the best. King of the Monsters, the worst.

Though I think it might've been more interesting to look at the varied films from a stylistic perspective than ranking. The fact we got 6 Godzilla films this decade that are more varied than the Millennium series is quite a treat.

The Hooded Figure I do plan on seeing all of them eventually. I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

dk,
And they all largely do.

Given the history and sheer amount of movies, I have seen about 4 or 5 DVDs that I own and the rest were a blur on a marathon back in 2015 or 16 on Hulu- or stuff I saw on Creature Feature as a kid. I don't know which movies were in a specific series or timeline since everything was out of order. All I remember was the ones I really liked were the Toho ones. I just judge each movie on its own merits.

That said, I consider the Monsterversr as the only series I have seen all movies and am tracking so far.

And shouldn't a movie stand on its own anyway?