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Your a new member, you have only been active on the godzilla forums and you haven't posted anything thats not godzilla related, so I dont think you would of gotten an "account warning for posting in the wrong forum" and i dont think that even exists, that doesn't make any sense. also, this forum isnt just godzilla, its pretty much an all-around hub for all tokusatsu and giant monster shit. and evangelion definitely qualifies as giant monster shit. which qualifys it for this forum.
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goatuire This is a very good list, I think you might be the first person in this thread who put KotM above G14. I agree with your take on GvK though. 14 to KotM definitely had some amount of a leap in technology but it still felt somewhat reasonable, GvK leapt straight ahead into futuristic sci-fi bullshit. I remember seeing the H.E.A.V.s or whatever they're called for the first time and being pretty stunned. Sci-fi bullshit tends to be where a lot of kaiju properties fall apart in my opinion, and it has me worried for the future of the Monsterverse.
EliteFreakozoid,
The idea of "home-y" or "coming home" is probably the best argument I've heard for staunchly connected universes. A sense of returning the audience to a world they're already invested in has its merits--if done well anyway.
There isn't any confirmation that it'll be part of the MonsterVerse (though it would be cool if ended up being part of the series). It is interesting that Kong: Skull Island made a reference to Them! though...
G. H. (Gman) The Gamera trilogy is absolutely S tier. Some of the best films in the entire genre.
I don't like the Showa or Millennium series any LESS because they don't have an overarching story, and I don't give the individual Monsterverse movies any additional credit because GvK is technically the same universe as G2014 even though they couldn't be more tonally distinct from each other.
However, I do sometimes want my cool kaiju movies to be more than drop in/drop out romps in a world we'll never see again. I think there's something to be said for a connected world that starts to feel familiar. Almost home-y. Again, that isn't to say a solo outing can't be deeply impactful and more meaningful than an interconnected story. Gojira and GMK are 2 of my all time favorites. There's plenty of room for both.
EliteFreakozoid,
I don't really think an interconnected series of films is important for quality. The fact that the Showa series and Millennium series don't put much emphasis on that is a strength rather than a weakness. While the Millennium Series gave writers more freedom to do what they wish, rebuilding an entire world from scratch with almost each movie was time consuming and I think the way they introduced each world quickly mostly worked.
In terms of kaiju films where an interconnected through line was at its best, the Gamera Trilogy has still yet to be topped. I remember watching King of the Monsters in theaters and thinking to myself, "Y'know, I could just be watching Gamera..."
G. H. (Gman) Oh I absolutely agree on the space pollution thing. I love the Heisei series, in my opinion it's probably the most consistently enjoyable to watch era of Godzilla, but it's absolutely full of wasted potential and nonsense plotline. I loved Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah when I was younger, but it's pretty rough to get through now with the nonsense time travel plotline. Battle for Earth reads as more of an Indiana Jones movie during the human plot than a kaiju movie, and while that's infinitely charming to me I also fully recognize that it's absurd.
It's interesting to me that Heisei is the first time they really tried to do a fully interconnected series of Godzilla films, and yet the writers decided to do a lot of coke while they tried to settle on a consistent tone for the series. Going from the heart-wrenching A plot of Biollante into yet another scene with Sunglasses Assassin is... pretty wild. Instead of trying to do better with the Millenium era they just dropped the idea of telling a larger story at all, giving us some of the most and least interesting G movies in about a five year span. Say what you will about the Monsterverse, but I'm glad someone decided to try and take up that mantle.
Cutie Hugsploder Our lists are too similar, you have to change yours. This is silly.
In regards to 84 though, I made an effort to use all tiers with a somewhat even distribution. Even the movies in E tier are ones I would happily watch again basically any time. That said, if I were to rewatch the whole series I'm sure some placements would change. Maybe even the anime trilogy could move up a tier or two lol.
To all the anime movie enjoyers it seems weird that you all place the first higher than the third which I think had the most clever ideas of all three. is it because of Ghidorahs weird design change? the time distortion scene where the spaceship gets destroyed and they see and hear their deaths on the monitor before they die is the best scene in all three movies in my opinion.
EliteFreakozoid, what a bad list! /s
the hate on 84 is sad though. the theme alone should bring it up a rank.
my brother told me he did one of these so I made one without looking at his list first. I've been watching these movies since I was still in a crib so not all my choices are rational. these are in order of how much I enjoy them and also how likely I would be to re-watch it given the chance. I am now off to tell my brother his list is bad. cheers.3.png)
EliteFreakozoid,
It wasn't exactly a hot button topic in 1994 though. My main issue is that it was really looking for a message to tack on at last minute and treat space pollution as if it were some ecological concern. And the thing is, I might've bought it had there been some parallels between it and pollution on Earth--the movie did include Mothra after all. It was a missed opportunity. But, then, that's kind of the whole movie.
I'm more excited for the upcoming Rendezvous with Rama movie
Wow, I can’t believe how expansive monsterverse is getting.
undulate Congrats on 1000 supports btw.
Hydra It happens to me too.
Hydra Oh. I mean it grew when you haven't joined.
Them! and The Deadly Mantis are my 2 favorite 50's sci fi movies well other than Gojira of course
G. H. (Gman) Had fun listening to that, thanks for the link! I would need to rewatch the movie to really solidify my feelings about it, and I still enjoy the movie, but I'll definitely admit that it's an absolutely braindead movie. I love a good dumb movie from time to time, and I still adore the kaiju designs from the Heisei era. Godzilla was in his edgy teenager phase and it really showed through monster designs.
I will say, however, that the only thing I can actually refute from your podcast is that "Space Pollution" is actually a real thing. Not in the way the movie seems to want it to be a thing, but debris from rocket launches, dead satellites, and an increasing number of ACTIVE satellites has actually started to become a problem.
They're not generating evil crystal clones though. That's silly. This isn't a defense of the movie.
Ants. BIG ants. Which happen to sound like birds... wait a minute...
Cool Godzilla,
For good reason.
EliteFreakozoid,
I'm going to have to give a shameless plug here, but only out of exhaustion for explaining why this movie is a slog of an insulting bore. I think Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla takes everything about the genre up to that point and presents them as weak or cliche with the most ridiculous lip service I've ever witnessed.
The Monster vs. Men podcast dared us to tackle the movie on our podcast and I used it as my last say on why the movie doesn't work in the least: The Drift Space - Episode 39 - Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla. (Also available on iTunes and other platforms <-- more shameless plug.) Point is, I think we do a pretty good job highlighting the issues there.
I have an Alien List on the Alien forums
I would probably go for the Kiryu despite its colour.
Monsterzero11 Yep. Scified has reached the Tier List Age. XD
Why are there so many tier lists?!
G. H. (Gman) Godzilla KOTM and GvK are in F? That's very low.
G. H. (Gman) Interesting list. Can I ask why the hate for SpaceGodzilla? I've seen that sentiment a lot and never really had someone tell me why they dislike it so much. While I agree that it's fairly unremarkable among the other Heisei movies, I still had a lot of fun watching it. Might just be nostalgia goggles though, I was probably like 2 or 3 years old when I saw it for the first time.
I've always enjoyed watching some good old ultraman, such a fun series.
still watching through all the ultra-stuff at the time of this comments postage. so these rankings may change overtime as I keep watching.
I need to get off my lazy ass and watch some Ultraman
Difficult as I'm still working my way through them. I'm sure these are some controversial takes.
I haven't seen enough King Kong movies to make a list
Kong: Skull Island and GVK respectively deserve an A and a B in my opinion.
I have now created my own list for the Alien/Predator series
https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/51673
