Godzilla’s Origin in Singular Point?

True.

I did make a topic on how space travel could work, but You’ll have to find it yourself if your interested 

Ight.

SarcasticGoji,
I should've clarified. I was talking about your comment starting with,

"One thing that confuses me about your idea is if Archeype and kaiju come from othe demensions, then which one?"

G. H. (Gman)

An inverted cube does indeed make that shape. I’m questioning  the second demension because it’s the cube faces not the entire volume, but that doesn’t explain the kaiju

no wait the inverted cube is three demensional

Explain why it would be three-dimensional

the pictures of inverted used used have divided it into pyramids

The more I learn about Singular Point the more I love it

MAJOR SPOILERS:

It's now been suggested that Godzilla is a Singular Point. In the latest episode Yun posits that Singular Points do not come from our world. The closer Singular Points get to each other the more likely they are to offset a"prophesied" Catastrophe that leads to the end of the world.

This Catastrophe was seen by the scientist who discovered Archetype, via a "Super Calculator" used to decipher Archetype/Singular Points.

So it seems the kaiju do come from an alternate dimension, but how and why they got to our world is still a mystery.

I found a way to legally watch the show soo....

SPOILERS:

I'm actually gonna rant about Archetype and Godzilla being a singular point. 

Archetype is weird. Not only is a strange material that can trap light without converting it to heat, but also refract it through time. THis itself creates a singular point, in which photons from the future and present are indistinguishable. The ability for Archetype to create these points is interesting and probably explains why Godzilla (a singular point) can manipulate it. 

The Series seems to be toying with the idea that the future is fixed, and the ony reason it seems unpredictable is because we have no knowledge of it. 

If time is not fixed the explanation for time prediction, via archetype and anguirus could be the other material that I forget the name of.

The show also offers an interesting view at what 4d life could look like. Because we are 3d beings, we are not ablw to see their fourth demension, Time. But the abilities of Anguirus, Archetype, and that godzilla is a singular point, where time is indistinguishable, suggests that they can be measured in time at all moments.

So I submit, Kaiju are 4d.

I definitely think it's pushing for the "fixed loop" theory of time, hence the message Yun is getting from the future. Kaiju definitely seem to be 4th dimensional beings in this continuity which explains their ability to see time and/or manipulate it.

The Archetype seems to be from another dimension. So I am going to guess Godzilla and the other kaiju are from this Archetype Dimension.

 ErimakiAnguirus

It definitely is, I think the fourth demension specifically

One episode left... The latest episode really felt like a call to arms before a potentially hopeless showdown. Godzilla Singular Point has functioned like a steady climb toward the apocalypse since episode 1. Now that it's here I'm chomping at the bit for the conclusion to see if it can stick the landing. The series' attention to hard science as a solution that's ambiguously metaphorized via literature/myth is like a heightened variation of Honda's approach to kaiju stories. I almost hate to see it end, but I applaud how tight it's been.

P.S. Remember to sacrifice virgins in Kan Sawada's name before you hit the hay tonight for this reason:

Apalu Upala variation

P.P.S. I guess Godzilla Ultima is over 100 meters now...

Episode 12 has been my favorite so far.

G. H. (Gman)

HE didnt like the short jokes.

Also that variation is amazing

Unfortunately, I think the show is -- ultimately -- the vanity project of a Physics professor. I first thought it was great, and liked the science backbone. The new monster designs are amazing. But I'm now done with Episode 12, and the last two episodes were nearly all physics lessons. In Ep 12 specifically, Godzilla makes no appearance, and Salunga appears in one scene for about 5 seconds. In Ep 11, Godzilla had about 10 seconds of screentime, obscured in red dust.

I get that adding a science backstory is interesting, but people don't generally watch Godzilla shows for 6-hour lessons in speculative physics. Worse, while the characters are likeable, they are wholly undeveloped. We have no backstory for any of them, and they each exist merely to utter the writer's physics technobabble. Each episode is simply exposition.

I think it's a matter of vanity and budget. By not showing the monsters (other than the Anguiras fight, and then the JJ vs. Kumongas fight), the show could rely on the cheaper 2D animation. 

Maybe Episode 13 will knock it out of the park, with the last few eps have lowered my expectations for either a meaningful explanation or any actual excitement.

BigGrayGolem,
I vehemently disagree. All of EnJoe's work is high concept on this level and it's refreshing to have such a thing in the Godzilla franchise. This isn't an action series or a character driven series, it's all about the high concept. As such, characters in these stories, or stories like Shin Godzilla, or Gamera 2, don't have to be traditionally developed. In the latter cases, which are procedural based, not unlike Law & Order, the characters are conduits for the story's ideas and concepts. It's the same here. While the characters are not heavy on development, they work because their fascination and enthusiasm for the concept(s) invest us in it as well.

An example I've likened to this is many of Christopher Nolan's films, particularly Tenet from last year (which I loved). The main character has a vague backstory, but his passion and drive are steeped in his dedication to his work and the story's concept. There aren't many personal threads to work with. Likewise, Yun and Mei's passion and drive is to their work - to the mystery - to safeguarding humanity and acting as conduits for the story.

This most certainly drives traditionalist, character writers, and audiences, nuts, but it's also an example of how there are many ways to approach characters and what kind of emphasis is put on them.

If these aren't reasons some people watch Godzilla-related stories, there's certainly plenty of others to pick from instead. Otherwise, I don't think it hurts to create and/or find new reasons to watch Godzilla-related content. This in particular has become the most fascinating and re-watchable since GMK.

That's fine, but it's another case of a franchise moving to satisfy an aging demographic of adults who are still tied to their childhood, and abandoning people who are living their childhood RIGHT NOW... as in kids.

Our house has kids of various ages, 2-15, and all of them lost interest in Singular Point within 2 episodes. There's nothing here for them at all. And any Godzilla show that literally has only, maybe, five total minutes of Godzilla spread out over 6 hours is obviously doing something wrong.

Again, there was a way to have accomplished both aims, here. The show could have leaned into the physics stuff while still giving some "red meat" to fans who actually want to see kaiju in a show about kaiju. The only explanation as to Singular Points refusal to do so is either the creator's vanity/arrogance (trying to be the smartest guy in a room filled with otaku, which isn't hard), and/or budget. They simply couldn't afford the CGI monster animation, so packed it with hours and hours of 2d exposition scenes.

But if you're into Nolan, it makes sense. Nolan is another guy who tries to be the smartest guy while doing dumb things like eschewing character development or audible dialog as a means of looking artsy. But even Nolan got it right a few times; Dark Knight satisfied all audiences, both kids and adults alike.

I dunno. If I watch 6 hours of Godzilla, I wanna see Godzilla. Not people talking about Godzilla.

BigGrayGolem

About your point of GSP not being appealing to kids. Most sources I see its rated R15+ in Japan. So I dont think its trying to appeal to kids.

I'm fine with waiting for Goji if the payoff is right, or not right. Honestly I dont care if there is a fight.

As for the characters, I dont really see your point, they very clearly have different personalities and I have no idea what backstory they would need

You guys seriously went from godzilla to loop Quantum gravity in like 20 minutes

singular point is like that

BigGrayGolem,
I don't find specific material being unsatisfying to a particular age group very valid criticism for something unless it is specifically trying to do so. It's like criticizing Italian New Wave for not being in English because some people don't like reading subtitles. It's not for them. The Godzilla series is wide and expansive. If your kids aren't enjoying Singular Point there's plenty of other things to watch in the franchise instead. This particular piece is not for them and there's nothing wrong with that.

Additionally, assuming there's only two reasons Orange and Bones decided to execute the story the way they have comes off as fairly myopic. There can't be other reasons? It seems to match the question in regards to how we watch Godzilla--We have 65 years of monsters slugging each other. God forbid we find new reasons to enjoy and expound upon the franchise, I suppose. If you really want the same old formula, we have stuff like GvK for that.

G. H. (Gman) 

Im pretty sure they didnt want a "monster of the week" format seen in the kaiju genre.

HinikunaGoji,
We also get that plenty with things like the Ultraman franchise, Super Sentai and Kamen Rider. Additionally, the last two animated Godzilla series did that. We don't exactly need another and I for one would've gotten bored with that fairly quickly--Especially in light of the other media that saturate it and do it so well already.

I wonder what the other dimension looks like... Specifically the wherever Godzilla and the other kaiju are from. Does it look like Earth but just with red dust? Or does it look completely different?

ErimakiAnguirus 

I think completely different based on the 4d idea

My problem with the show, is that it relies so heavily on it's science that it becomes overwhelming, most of the show ends up feeling like a very long, overly stuffed and complicated physics and chemistry lesion, rather than feeling like an entertaining story. It may be great for professors, but for the average viewer it comes off as a jumbled mess. You shouldn't need a PhD in order to understand a show's plot. Adding physics and other types of science to a show's plot can be good, but when it's the main focus it starts to become boring and hard to follow. Most of the time it feels like the show is made up of the writers saying "look I'm smarter than you" and it starts to feel almost pretentious. Also, it ends up creating a narrative that anyone who doesn't like the show is "stupid", which I find a little insulting.

Overall the series feels like it's trying to be a complicated college physics course that's occasionally interrupted by kaiju attacks.

SasquaDash

That wasnt much of a problem for me with this show. It felt very easy to understand for me and the physics did seem oversimplified.

It feels more like real science fiction to me actually incorperating the real world and using theoretical science to justify the fantastical elements. Not like star wars, which is more fantasy but seems to get classified science fiction because its in space.

HinikunaGoji 

Well, I guess I'm just stupid then...

SasquaDash

I see the criticism in others reviews a lot, it has nothing to do with that. If you look farther back in this discussion youll see I spend time researching physics, I think this show just directly appeals to me.

HinikunaGoji

As someone who doesn't study physics and has a hard time with certain subjects (like various types of math), the show was a bit too overwhelming, The monster stuff was cool and I enjoyed some of it, but the fact that most of the show was made up of physics lectures made the plot difficult to follow and really dragged the show down for me.

I can see that, It was very interesting to me. AND i enjoy science being used and again I will say, fantasy just being labled scifi

The show is dense with its hard science, there's no arguing it. I've never enjoyed math or science, but in terms of films that like to use it, I've always been fascinated and it really encourages revisiting these stories. Doesn't hurt that I have some old friends that majored in this material and I was in shock at how much they told me was accurate.

I will say the English dub has made it easier to catch on in some ways and harder in others--But that comes from a deep place of cultural prejudice many of us have.

Personally, I'm waiting for all the Godzilla Singular Point episodes to come out on Netflix. After watching all the episodes, you can judge the origin: is Godzilla one of a kind? Or is the Ultima version a recurring spawn that leads to the catastrophe of the universe? Too many "maybe".And not enough employee monitoring