Official Godzilla 2016 discussion thread!

"See your basing Toho winning off of a personal Bias" GG, look man i am like Jamaal, Gman2887 and so many other "OG's" Fans. Personal opinion? Yes! But, it isn't just my opinion, i go by what abilities each of the monsters have, so in other words i also go with "Facts" I know you love G14, nothing wrong with that or you. :)

But the thing is, i have been a fan of the franchise for over 20 years now. That's why i continue to draw, help share what little knowledge i have, and help those out who want to furthur their knowledge. G14 may or may not have proven much yet, i am giving it a chance. As for know though G14 only has the power of the atomic ray like all other incarnations, but the one thing heisei godzilla has that G14 does not is the super regenative healing ability. As long as that remains a factor in heisei godzilla i do not see legendary godzilla ever stepping up with the heisei godzilla which is the same creature from 84-95.

@GG,

I'm not trying to sound rude nor bring you down. As for now though in my book, Legendary Godzilla is tough like the showa godzilla, who didn't need a healing factor to kick some kaiju a**.

Back to the topic though, Jamaal, yes we need to hear those thundering footsteps through out the movie.

Also Jamaal, I personally loved the thunder effect that the later heisei godzilla had in the 1991 film godzilla vs king ghidorah. His dorsal plates glowed and it seemed like a small fraction of it made a lightning effect. Pretty awesome in my book.

And yes, this movie may or may not have a message to carry along with it. The thing about most of the godzilla movies is that they had a message to carry along with it. For examples..

1. G54, message about the usage of H-bombs

2. Mothra vs Godzilla 1964, message about how good will triumph over evil (So to speak)

3. Godzilla vs Hedorah 1971, message about pollution

4. Son of Godzilla 1967, Godzilla happened to showcase parenting tools

5. The return of Godzilla 1984, message about the cold war

So, hopefully this new Toho Godzilla film will have some kind of meaning and message to go with it.

I think im an OG to, i have been a fan since 94.

BBB- I understand, but 2014 does not only have the ray. He unlike most incarnations, really melee's he gets up close bite's, pushes, throws, and even slams with his tail. He even used his Atomic Breath in strategical ways which hasn't happend since the Showa era.

^I think you often forget that the first godzilla film to have biting, clawing, and pushing. Godzilla raids again 1955 was the first film to do that. I get your point though, i am actually glad they went back to that in Legendary's film. Personally though, i didn't mind the later showa films which had a WWE style of fighting, pretty fun movies in between the whole series.

Also i wanted to say one thing on the subject of, "Heisei has taken on opponents twice his size and taller, 14 stands no chance." Those opponents were not equal to him, by equal i mean they fought back but in a way that if he grabbed onto them they would just sit there, sort of like a plot device.

Whereas 2014 will not allow himself to be picked up, at his full strength i even bet 14 could pick up Heisei. 2014 would be biting and clawing 94 all the way, and as we have seen Heisei has never been a close up melee fighter, and before the hate comes in i mean when the opponent isn't just sitting there im talking about someone who is fighting with all his might blocking attacks and tackling him. And that is exactly Godzilla 14!

^That's another thing that needs to be brought up, Showa was all melee, Heisei relied on shear power, and the millenium was a bit of a cross between the other two eras.

However i agree that Heisei's healing factor is hax.

I think a cool social issue the new movie could address would be the growing technology dependence Japan seems to be going through. It seems a group in Japan are weary of the possible negatives it brings.

What better way to show how small technology is than a giant monster that is able to wipeout communication, ect on a country wide scale similar to the MUTO.

^Not bad....not bad at all there durp.

I really think the 2014 movie missed out by not focusing more on how the MUTO's emp effected people. It was just addressed whenever they wanted to avoid having to have it confront the military. So much could have been looked at with a monster that deploys emps on this technology driven country.

Well, they said in the film that the EMP's effected every thing electrical for 5 miles, so without electricity in the winter time, we would freeze to death. However, hospitals would also loose alot of lives especially those on life support. The main thing the EMP's could have done was hit the powergrid here in the U.S.  Every thing electrical would have been knocked out completely, then what do we do?

There's also the fact that EMPs short out fuses meaning even after they left it wouldn't come back on, and they wouldn't be a fast fix. It be a walking blackout leaving people in its wake. Cars, phones, everything in that path between Vegas and San Francisco would be dead. People would be missing with no transportation or ability to call for help. Any city would be rendered useless. Basically becoming giant hollow castles to provide shelter but nothing else. People would be at a loss, especially the younger generation, the dependence on electrical conveniences is crazy for us. All of that could hve been looked at, maybe have Ford go through on of the cities, and see the effects rather than just Hawaii which was devestated from the tsunami and attacks, an electrical attack would be diffferent though, a seemingly untouched city that lays there empty.

Well, this has nothing to do with Toho's Godzilla, but what do you guys think of this?

Although, not 100% legit, but Legendary did say that they would try to make King Ghidorah more Smaug looking. I think this falls into that catagory.

Back to the topic though, I hope that Toho gets enough courage and confidence to release their new movie world wide.

I think Durpoo4'a idea is great, intriguing actually. A scary sub-text to a kaiju film makes it that much more enjoyable as there are threats coming from different directions. This is especially true if the new perils are caused by something the kaiju does or a power he has.

Part of the fascination in this is seeing how the people rise to and respond to the threats. Anything which brings out the best in people and showcases the better aspects of human nature, is good. 

It just has to be well-written and performed with passion, wthout being over the top, so to speak.

One thing still bugs me, and yes, at this stage, maybe its too early to tell, but would  Toho Godzilla 2016 get a wide release in North America? I'll hate to have to search for it through only some specialty cinema or wait XX years for it to be released on DVD here.

^I don't think it will get a wide theatrical release in North America. I see Legendary aquiring it for a North American DVD/Bluray for sure and perhaps putting it in some specialty theaters simply for promotional sake.

I also don't think we would have to wait much more than a year. The Millennium films came out pretty quickly (under Sony) after each film was released in Japanese theaters and with Godzilla in the limelight again we won't have to wait as long as we did with the Heisei series.

In addition, Toho seems insistant on producing something very special. If it's as notable as they hope distributors will be more inclined to aquire it fast.

^Makes sense to me.  With Legendary partnered with Universal now, chances are we will see the new film released via Universal Home Video on DVD/BD.  It could see a limited theatrical run ala Tristar and Godzilla 2000, but time will tell... ;)

^Considering the deal for new Godzilla movies is between Legendary and Warner Brothers (regardless of the partnership) I think we might still see it released under the WB banner. Toho has made no agreements with Universal.

Although I might be getting ahead of myself. I have no idea whether or not the new deal with Legendary includes home video/theatrical distribution of any kind. For all we know that deal may still fall with Sony.

And Godzilla 2000 was actually a wide release. I think if the 2016 film got released in theaters it would be more like a release that Godzilla '54 got this past year and in 2004. Although that film toured small specialty and art theaters around the country. I'm betting it'll simply come out in select cities' arthouse theaters for a few days or so. (If it is released at all.)

Hi guys, here is a couple of things we have yet to discuss for this new Toho godzilla film, and that is his height and weight.

From 1954-1975 godzilla was 50 meters tall or 164 feet.

From 1984-1989 godzilla was 80 meters tall or 262 feet.

From 1991-1995 godzilla was 100 meters tall and also in 2004, which is 328 feet tall.

Godzilla 2000 and vs. megaguirus, godzilla was 55 meters tall.

GMK, godzilla was 60 meters tall.

Legendary godzilla is 108 meters tall, 355 feet.

The weight have varied also with these different heights.

Personally, i would not mind godzilla reaching 120 meters tall for the first time ever, but i am more comfortable with godzilla ranging between 50-80 meters. How do you guys feel regarding this issue? How tall would you like him to be?

Honestly, if it's for toku, I like Godzilla to be smaller. A smaller Godzilla makes for more detailed miniatures which is one reason why the miniature sets in the later Heisei movies and Final Wars looked so bland. I'm all for 50 meters.

I completely agree gman. I also would like to see Yukijiro Hotaru play a role in this film. I loved his acting in the gamera heisei trilogy, along with GMK.

^Agreed wholehearredly.

He is a fan favorite and a link to the Heisei Gamera films and GMK. Having him in Toho Godzilla 2016 would be a nice tip-of-the-hat. It would be good to see him, even if he doesn't do his usual shtick, i.e., the panicked, reluctant comedy foil thust into the midst of events they are way beyond his control.

Of course, it would be better if he did.

As for Godzilla's size, I would like to see at about 60 meters as he was in GMK. As Gman2887 mentioned, it makes for better, more detailed and therefore more convincing miniatures.

I really love the miniature work in Gamera, Giant Monster Mid-Air Battle.

Glad to know that I'm not the only one who likes his acting.

@Gman2887,

My question to you  this, do you want Godzilla to be tough like showa or with regenerative powers like heisei? You know, it won't bother me if he has regenerative powers. I do like his toughness though from showa.

I vote for Showa-Tough. Especially if an early, Showa-like design is used (e.g., Shodai-Goji, Mosu-Goji, etc.)

Yep, everyone loves a tough Godzilla. Hopefully it could match that of the original, mosugoji, or even the GMK design.

GMK just goes to show how tough the showa was. I mean it took a hell of an attack from king ghidorah to puncture a hole above his left shoulder, no healing powers needed for the rest of the fight though.

I also wish that Nick Adams was still alive to play a role in this Godzilla movie. I loved him in both invasion of astro monster and Frankenstein conquers the world.

By the way, Gman2887 your birthday gift is completed. :)

When I send it in the PM I hope you like it.

Nick Adams is the reason why Monster Zero (Invasion of the Astro Monster) is the only Godzilla film that I prefer to watch in English. His lines, his character are a great part of what makes this film so much fun. I love this film, one of the best of the Series.

@BigBadBen:

The GMK-Goji is a great, imposing design, scary, even. It's a great example of a design fitting the atmosphere and story of the film it's in.

If Toho goes with something like it, I'll be a happy man.