Official Godzilla 2016 discussion thread!

The GMK suit feels to fake, the pure white eyes never made any sense to me it just made him look Demonic which he didn't need to look like.

And they made him way overpowered, i mean a Nuclear explosion beam? I understand for homaging purpose's but why couldnt 54 do that? Why is GMK so damn special? Sorry that part just kind of irked me.

GMK should have hade 54's amazing breath and should have been the same suit just for nostalgia, and he didn't even need white eyes make the 54 suit a bit more detailed if they must.

For me, the GMK-Goji personified the rage of a giant monster, mutated by nuclear weapons and angry at Japan for having precipitated Wortld War Two. The design conveys this, and it is at the heart of the story. Just look at Professor Isayama's riveting narration of the reasons behind his return and why the Guardian Monsters must be awakened. Godzilla is a menace in GMK; not the savior of Japan or it's guardian.

In an article penned by Norman England for Fangoria, Shusuke Kaneko said regarding Godzilla in GMK:

"The Godzilla in GMK will be different from recent Godzillas. Godzilla is malicious and relentless, having been given life by the spirits of WWII dead. Godzilla is at its heart the specter of war. Recent directors have tried too hard to create sympathy for Godzilla. This is wrong. Godzilla should be cruel throughout the whole film."

Then he said:

"Godzilla is a force. He is not something that can be stopped by human weapons. He is brutal and severe. My Godzilla will be the cruest and fiercest in the history of the series."

And he was.

And this is one of the many reasons why Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack is so special. 

"GMK should have hade 54's amazing breath and should have been the same suit just for nostalgia, and he didn't even need white eyes make the 54 suit a bit more detailed if they must."

Why? It is never established in the film that it is the same Godzilla from 1954 and the ambiguity of its genesis is part of why it's mysterious eyes and powerful ray made so much sense.

And nothing should ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be done JUST "for nostalgia."

Jamaal, I would also like to add that Tomoyuki Tanaka also stated that having Godzilla become a hero was a bit of a mistake and that they had to make him mean and destructive again. That's why in the return of Godzilla in 1984, he was a force of destruction once again. Godzilla is after all the embodiment of the atomic bomb, and a result of man's arrogance.

GMK is not the 1954 Godzilla, they specifically said that the first Godzilla attack was repulsed, the animal was killed by using an unknown chemical compound. The inventor has since died, and his records have been lost. 

GMK, Godzilla is another reason why we would like to see Shusuke Kaneko get another shot at Godzilla but, he won't. I have an article written by Matt Frank that says Kaneko already made his Godzilla film.

^Well, why couldn't he re-manifest or re-grow his body like he would no doubt have done eventually around his still beating heart?  If Godzilla in GMK was a supernatural force, than he would, like a ghost, always find a way to return.  Isayama states that the creature cannot be defeated by ANY weapon... the "Unknown chemical compound" stopped him... but did not kill him.

That's one problem I have with GMK is the origin especially in the english subs and dubs. It's one thing to be obscure and another thing to be outright confusing. Original godzilla or new one? Ghost or animal, possed or natural. All these are addressed but none have any answers, aaccording to the movie he's in some way all of the above depending on what characters you ask. As for design I don't really have a problem with the suit from the neck up, but I think that the only reason it really stand out is due to the abilities it had moreso than the design maybe if any other millennium suit could at least turn its head much less make facial expressions it wouldn't be so recognized. It was impressive though. I'm split on the white eyes, I don't think they'd really work in a movie outside a supernatural evil Godzilla. They were a nice touch, but I wouldn't like to see them again

I've always felt that the idea Godzilla reginerated from nothing for GMK and/or after the fact was taking fan speculation about his regeneration to the absolute silliest level.

First did the GMK Godzilla even have super regenerative powers? I don't think he did otherwise his neck wound would have healed during the battle. Even if it was the 1954 Godzilla with regenerative powers why did he "regenerate" to be 10 meters taller? Besides, Kaneko, like Tezuka, is a fan of the older Godzilla films where regeneration hadn't been mentioned or was even considered. I doubt he had that ability in mind when he made the film.

And he wasn't necessarily a supernatural force either. His rage was certainly fueled by them, but that's it. He wasn't a ghost, he wasn't a spirit, he was an enraged animal carrying the unrest of Pacific conflict within him.

As for the heart beating at the end, I think it means and stands for many things. But the very, very, very last thing it stands for is that Godzilla is going to "regenerate" from it. I absolutely despise how fans take that scene so literally.

Yeah, I think that heartbeat meant that Godzilla was not done with as far as that being the final installment. Hopefully with the resurrection of this new Godzilla, we can get at least 5-7 films in total depending on how successful each movie is.

I believe this new Godzilla will be a stand alone film due to the Legendary series. It may just be me, but it feel's like they are doing this just to sort of...do it. I think they just feel like doing a Godzilla movie, i dont think they will make more until after Legendary is over.

Huh, i always thought GMK was 1954. Still, the white eye's were to corny, he could have still been a evil demonic beast for you, "Destruction" lover's but he did not need the white eye's and the fat belly kind of took away the fear factor.

However i fear im going to be hated on for that. The new suit should look nothing like GMK, it need's to be something we haven't seen before, if not that then maybe the original suit would be great.

Now here is something you all are forgetting, this Godzilla most likely will be fighting another monster. We need to flush out what he will look like for this task, the original 1954 suit wasn't the best at combat, he was ferocious indeed, but he didn't compare to the likes of the later Showa, even Godzilla 2014.

I think he will be muscular like Heisei, yet will have 1954 features. But he is most likely going to be 60-80 meters.

^But we thought that when the new Legendary movie was announced. Sounds to me they'll keep going if it's successful. Why not? Getting a Godzilla movie from another country in between each other sounds like a likely scenerio that keeps Godzilla in the limelight.

No company makes this big of an announcement with likely plans to re-organize how they approach filmmaking from year-to-year, "just to do it". That severely undermines how huge this really is.

"...just to do it." "...just for nostalgia."  "...the film may be better in terms of story and nostalgia but it can never be the, "Better film."  Gorilla... When did you last take your meds?

I often ask myself that Gman2887.

GG, 

No one here is going to deny your passion for G14, we understand just how much you love it. We just want a Godzilla film that is going to reboot and resurrect Tohos franchise. It's how it started, and most likely how it will end when the time comes.

Gman2887, send me a Pm, I need to talk to you privately. :)

It's about your birthday present. :)

Now, if we are getting a vs. film, I would like to see old monsters like Hedorah, Megalon, Gigan, Biollante, and even King Kong to come back. Mothra, Mecha Godzilla, and of course King Ghidorah are the main money hitters. It would be nice to see Varan to have his match against Godzilla as well. Heck, it would be nice to see Anguirus again.

The white eyes of the GMK-Goji were meant to represent his malevolent nature along with the fact that he is possessed by the spirits of the soldiers who died in the Pacific War.

In GMK, Godzilla is literally and figuratively the specter of war. He's a physical being as well as a symbol. The eyes enhance his menace and destructive nature. 

Right on Jamaal, so in other words, we need and want this Godzilla to represent something.

Gman- ......

Well maybe i didn't word some things correctly.

Hey, im all for a resurrection of Toho's Godzilla, just it need's to be done in a way to make it most successful. Man i didn't realize the hate that would be coming at me from my word's, perhaps i should just leave this thread alone.

Jamaal- Good point's, but still he white eye's were just to corny in my opinion. There are many way's to make Godzilla Menacing, heck, we all thought 2014 was going to be menacing when we first saw him.

GG,

No one is hating on you. If I personally made u feel like I hated on you then I apologize. If I hated you, I wouldn't talk to you. You can't take things to heart though when we discuss a fictional character like Godzilla. We all have an undying passion for this famous franchise, that's why we continue to discuss things. Technically, there is no perfect Godzilla film, they all have some sort of flaws to them.

As Shinoda said in Godzilla 2000, join our network, you will learn something. :)

So, no. Don't leave, we all care for Tohos next installment, we want the best for it. :)

Thanks alot BBB :).

Perhaps we could change the subject to more on the lines of how the plot will go, what do you guys think currently?

It really all depends. Without knowing what they plan to do, its hard to say. I'm hoping for something unique though.

GorillaGodzilla:

One of the beauties of this fandom and this genre is its wideness: there's plenty of room for all tastes and preferences. So, there's no offense taken.

We all agree that we want to see a great film from Toho in 2016; that they have learned some things regarding production time, script and story preparation and giving filmmakers the room to practice their art.

So, we can disagree about films. There's no need to go away. We have a lot to look forward to, God willing. Hopefully this year things wil start to crank up. I am hoping to hear about the live action and special effects directors in a couple of months. I'm not holding my breath, but I'm hoping just the same. That's part of the joy of reading about and following film production: anticipating, and then enjoying whatever is sent our way. This is what it was like in 1999 while Godzilla 2000 Millenium wad being filmed. It would be nice, rather, it would be great, if we had someone like Hico of "Don't Be Defeated, Japanese Godzilla!" to send us what is released in Japan as the film moves toward completion. Hico, if you're out there and happen to read this, we would be happy for whatever you can send our way.

Jamaal is speaking my language here. 

GG, 

Jamaal is absolutely right. Godzilla is a worldwide icon, a pop culture of entertainment, he is made for everyone to enjoy. Our fan base is what connects us to each other. We all have our favorite films, suits, directors, etc. So what if we don't agree on some things? It's that passion that keeps us going.

Now, my question is this. Will Toho make this new film suitable for children as well? We also need to think about the children. :)

Hey i was around and still a big G-Fan during Godzilla 1999's production, it was indeed a fun experience. BBB i think all G movie's can be seen by children. I dont see why this would be any different.

I think it should have the same aspect all of the good Godzilla movies have. Have a story and characters children can watch and enjoy, but have a story compelling and characers deep enough that I can watch as an adult and see things I never knew were there.

I have a really good feeling about this film. I don't know why, other than the projected schedule Toho referred to generally, in the production announcement. It's been over ten years since Final Wars. I hope alot has been learned and the intent is to make a great film, something truly remarkable. I would like to be stunned-in a good way- when I see it. A jaw-dropping spectacle is what I really want Toho to deliver.

I think they can do this. I really do. 

^I do as well, but I'm too cynical to think it will really be that remarkable. It might be better than Godzilla '14, but the likelyhood of that is also dependant on a number of factors that we don't know the details to: Director, writer, cast...etc.

IF they're aiming as high as August Rogone predicts, then your feelings may be fairly justified Jamaal.

Another key factor is godzillas screen time. Throughout the years it has varied. I wouldn't mind seeing !have at least 15 minutes or more if they can make it count.

So, hopefully Godzilla can get the dame amount as he did in Godzilla 2000 or even Mothra vs. Godzilla 1964.

How do you all feel about Godzilla getting a good amount of screen time?

So many typos there, anyway, we also need and want this film to either.

A.) Equal that of Gamera 3.

Or B.) Somehow, someway be more along the lines of Ishiro Honda's work.

I hope to God that this film is very successful. I'd hate to think that we could see the end of an era.