Godzilla 2014s Melee may succeed previous incarnations

well you are mostly correct, exept for the fact that shwa godzilla was more of a mele figther along with certain millenium ones, but still G14 would kill almost every godzilla

Quick question have you watched the showa movies? If so you'll know that godzilla was VERY melee oriented, and while the moves were cheesy karate esque they were far better than anything the new Godzilla used. You say hes fast and that he gets up easily but when did you see that? He gets knocked over by the muto is scrolls to ford, the building collapes on him and it cuts back to Ford. The only time you ever see him get up is at the end when there's no other monster there to keep him down. He's hardly fast either, as he did nothing that made me think he outperforms other Godzillas, especially the showa, is speed.

Most muscular? So Showa godzilla picking up ghidorah isn't muscular, how about heisei shouldering the much larger metal mechagodzilla? If that's not enough there are other examples.  It's clear you like the new godzilla the most but let's not confuse you liking a monster with them being the strongest incarnation. It's not even as though he fought all that much, yeah he wrestled the female back, but afterwards he's knocked to the ground by the male then only able to get up because the female gets distracted. He's not this amazing brawler than just dumpstered the mutos no problem, and his atomic breath has a longer charge up time than the others so that's a huge negative especially looking at how strong the atomic breath is from other incarnations.

Well, Durp004, to be fair, those EMP attacks DID specifically hinder Godzilla's atomic breath ability, even when he did get to use it. At least he's not comparing 2005 Kong to 2014 Godzilla :P

burning godzilla would over power G14, but G14 is bigger and stronger than the showa, even thouhg they migth put a good figth G14 migth still win unleas godzilla does a waky last ditch move like

Whenever there's a debate about godzillas I take size out of the equation as according to it the only Godzilla's that could even reasonably think about fighting the 2014 Godzilla is late heisei and final wars Godzilla. I compare their abilities and stats relative to their size to come out with which one is better is which case the 2014 Godzilla is pretty unimpressive compared to his predecessors, in basically every category besides size there's a Godzilla that's better.

While I really enjoy Godzilla 2014, I can't agree that he's the strongest. Some of the Toho incarnations reached anime-levels of stupid powerful.

The two examples that come to mind would be "Godzilla vs Megaguirus", where he was shot multiple times by a black hole weapon and came out without a scratch, and "Final Wars", where he murdered the ever-loving crap out of a dozen Toho beasties in the span of two days without slowing down or exerting much effort at all.

In terms of spectacle and raw, bestial fury, I would definitely say Godzilla 2014 takes the cake. Still, being incredibly large and fierce doesn't always make you the winner.

I think this is a case of fans wanting to tout the new Godzilla because... he's new. Legendary's Godzilla probably isn't in the top 5 most powerful versions of the character.

Durpoo- Remember we still havent seen him at his full power, Also this Godzilla was ealing with to viscious mosters who all they wanted was to kill him, And they were teamed to do so. Even though the showa Godzilla took on titanosaurus and mechagodzilla, Those still were reletively weak monsters compared to what the mutos were capable of. Also i wasnt mentioning most of the millenium series, as final wars Godzilla and burning Godzilla would most likely defeat him. Also Godzilla 2014 unlike the Heisei was being pummeled by the mutos making him unable to get up, While Heisei was just knocked over and couldnt get up because of his suit xD, Maybe it was that he was also being blasted by some kind of beam when it was happening, But still he wasnt being meleed to death. Also i wasnt comparing him to being stronger than most Godzillas, I was saying that he has better melee capabillitys.

Gman2887- I would say he is the third strongest, Falling behind burning and final.

durpoo- Also i wouldnt say that having a skyscraper falling on you is something that you can easily overcome, A skyscraper would probably knock out most of the original Godzillas.

well i thing FW is the only one that has the oportunity to beat him in a pure meale battle, but in a beeam battle FW wins for sure 

Gman2887- Also i wasnt touting him, I was just saying that he has better melee capabillities comapred to his predessors.

I'm curious what the mutos have the make them stronger opponents than mechagodzilla who was a walking fortress, and Titanosaurus that towered over that Godzilla. Both mutos were smaller than Godzilla. The only other time that the main opponents for a Godzilla were smaller than him was GMK and he destroyed them. I think you're severly overrating the mutos if you rank them high on the list of Godzilla's opponents at least higher than mechagodzilla as I could give a list of reasons why that's wrong.

Wow, there's so much wrong with this, I don't even know where to start.

I keep getting the feeling when reading your posts that you haven't seen any classic Godzilla movies other than the Heisei series for a while, because most of what you're saying about "most other Godzillas ("The original Godzillas mainly used there Atomic breath to fight with some attacks here and there, But there movements were way to slow to actually melee") applies to literally only the Heisei Godzilla; most incarnations have mainly used melee attacks with an Atomic Breath here and there. Most of them have been as fast as or faster than G2014.

You have never explained why you think G2014 has superior durability. If it's because he tanked a nuke, you should know that Godzilla has been immune to H-bombs since the very first movie, with a few possible exceptions; if it's because of the Permian meteor thing, it's very debatable whether anything from the Awakening comic is canon; based on what we see in the film, it's quite possible that his durability is sub-par, as the claws of two very average monsters were able to visibly draw blood from him, whereas most Godzillas are difficult even for other monsters to hurt.

We haven't seen him at his full power? Where did you get that from? Does it have something to do with that "electric sack" business from the novelization? The canon of the novel is completely separate from that of the film, which is the case with all movie novelizations, as far as I'm aware. They're like video game adaptations- they just have a  similar plot with a lot of changes to better fit the different medium.

Mechagodzilla and Titanosaurus are weak compared to the Mutos? Perhaps, but only because they're so much smaller; if they were scaled to similar sizes, and MG was EMP shielded, the Mutos would be severely outmatched.

A skyscraper would knock out most of the previous Godzillas?! I'm sorry, I must have missed the part of physics class where they taught us that a falling building was more powerful than a nuclear bomb.

Literally the only thing G2014 has over most other Godzillas is his size (and he isn't even the best in that category, as Marvel Godzilla is significantly larger than him); if every incarnation were the same size, he would be in the lower half of them in terms of power.

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And some links for good measure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRVUOGUmxJI?t=6s

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Thanks for posting this. I agree this could be the toughest Godzilla (besides GMK)

Linkzilla- I was stating that in melee most of the other Godzillas get defeated except the showa, Heisei Godzilla was visibley wounded by Destroyah's sword beam.

If Destroyah got more hits in it probably would have killed him, Also the Heisei Godzillas would be very weak if they didnt have there G cells, Thats why i was saying that Godzilla 2014 in overall physical combat and armor shielding can defeat most Godzillas, Those include Millenium, "Except megaguirus Godzilla and Final wars" and all of the heisei, Im not sure if burning could win in hand to hand melee.

Like for example, Godzilla vs mechagodzilla II he was getting very easily defeated once they knocked him over, This Godzilla would be able to manuever around the attacks after getting knocked over. Also most of the original Godzillas, Except a good portion of showa. Always need help from another monster, Mechagodzilla II Godzilla would have died if it wasnt for Rodan, Godzilla final wars would have died if it wasnt for the Crazy Ninja Samurai.

Also Godzilla 2014 has no feats? Swam non stop for 4 entire days then got up and fought and won. Also i forgot to mention in swimming Godzilla 2014 wins due to him being much faster than, All of the heisei, Most of millenium, Not sure about showa so im not gonna say.

Also you guys are underestimating what this post was ment for, Melee capabillitys, The Mutos could most likely beat MechaGodzilla and Titanosaurus in over ferocity and melee. Godzilla 2014 had to withstand a non stop fight for 3 hours and 25 minutes.

So what i was saying is that Godzilla 2014 is not the overall strongest Godzilla, But in melee he can beat a good portion of the original Godzillas.

I'm gonna have to agree with Linkzilla on this one. Goji2014 isn't capable of much when compared to the previous Godzilla's.

As for MUTOs versus MecahG and Titano, they'd be Titano, and MechaG would crush them. You said melee, and putting that at the forefront still leaves MechaG with some serious steel to dish out, since saying melee removes the MUTOs' EMP.

I really am beginning to doubt you've seen most of the Godzilla movies. The things you say make it obvious you know about them, but maybe you've just watched the fight scenes on youtube, or saw them when you were young and don't remember them well. Either way a lot of the things you seem to think or say are wrong in terms of their power. Like I said if you think this new Godzilla is awesome that's great, but if you try to convince a forum, most of whom and have seen all other installments that the new one is the strongest, or best at some particular category you're going to get proven wrong in most cases.

Just to enlighten you, in Godzilla vs MGII the reason he couldn't get up was because they destroyed his second brain making him paralyzed from the waist down,, and after it was healed he didn't seem to have any trouble getting up and then pushing mechag to the ground before destroying him.

Swimming isn't a feat for a godzilla, every Godilla ever swam to tokyo or japan at one point. If it was like Godzilla vs Mothra where he swam though molten rock then maybe I'd conder it but just water is no. What make shim faster? Did I miss a scene where he just zips around and destroys the mutos? From what I remember the reason the male muto was giving him so much trouble was because he couldn't keep up with it. I wouldn't even put tht mutos speed on the same level as Rodan, Megaguirus, or even Mothra so him struggling so much with him isn't really a testiment to his speed.

I would point out why you are so wrong about the mutos and titanosaurus/mechaG, but instead I'll ask you to give me a reason how they're more ferocious than those two. Tell me how the mutos outclass titanosaurus who bit Godzilla's mouth picked him up by it and threw him, then proceeded to bury him and stomp on him in an attempt to crush him.

Is this Godzilla better than a small portion of Godzillas? Sure, but definitely is in the middle to lower level in terms of most categories including melee as other Godzillas have much more to show. 

Both the mutos when they were teamed could take out titansaurus, And im talking about MechaGodzilla 1, who got beaten by his head being twisted off. Seeing how smart the mutos were to know to hit Godzilla in his gills im sure they would try and twist off his head. I mean look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thPymMTVatI And im not trying to tell anyone that Godzilla 2014 is better, Im saying that his melee capabillities succeed a good portion of the original Godzillas. Also the original Godzillas were incredibley slow when it comes to swimming, Godzilla 2014 was releitively fast. And in melee his bites and tail strikes and overall strength could beat the showa and a good portion of Heisei. I think he could also beat Godzilla 2000, Maybe not Megaguirus and maybe Final wars IN STRAIGHT UP MELEE NOTHING ELSE.

look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OTAmi8yxSg If it wasnt for his atomic breath he wouldnt have been able to kill anguirus. Also all Godzillas have the abillity to lift and throw over Monsters that are bigger than them. Thats why in ferocious ferocity and tooth and nail, Godzilla 2014 takes the cake.

@ Gorillagodzilla77897 What the heck is that second link?!?!?  G-millenium vs Final Wars Anguirus?  Is that from a tv show or something?  I've never seen it before.

Seriously did I miss a movie?

@GORILLAGODZILLA77897

"Both the mutos when they were teamed could take out titansaurus"

And Mechagodzilla would just stand around and let them?

"Seeing how smart the mutos were to know to hit Godzilla in his gills im sure they would try and twist off his head."

They knew to attack his gills because of instinct, not intelligence. They're natural enemies, remember? Besides, figuring out that something's head is suscepible to specifically being twisted off is a bit more complicated than figuring out that you can attack its weak point for massive damage, and Showa Godzilla needed to use his magnetic powers to be able to do that.

"And im not trying to tell anyone that Godzilla 2014 is better, Im saying that his melee capabillities succeed a good portion of the original Godzillas."

If Heisei Godzilla and maybe two or three of the Millenium Godzillas is "a good portion," then yes, I suppose you're right.

"Also the original Godzillas were incredibley slow when it comes to swimming, Godzilla 2014 was releitively fast."

What? Once again, I must ask, where did you get that from? There have been only two or three brief scenes at most where we have actually seen any of the Toho Godzillas swimming underwater, and they looked just as fast as, if not faster than, G2014. All he did was outswim an aircraft carrier, which are probably pretty slow compared to most modern boats judging by how huge they are.

"I think he could also beat... Final wars IN STRAIGHT UP MELEE NOTHING ELSE"

FW Godzilla fought like a giant martial artist and was strong enough to throw another monster over the horizon. Legendary Godzilla is like a toddler wearing lead boots compared to him.

"Also all Godzillas have the abillity to lift and throw over Monsters that are bigger than them."

G2014 never even lifted and threw a monster smaller than him.

I agree with DURP004; with each post you make, it seems more and more like you haven't seen most of the Godzilla movies.

@PANTHALASSAN I think it's from some Japanese slot machine game.

I agree with everything Linkzilla said but would like to add

If you had seen Terror of MechaGodzilla you would know tearing of MechaGodzilla's head doesn't work anymore so that strategy would fail if they tried and he would continue to blast them. Watch all of the old movies fully then you can make posts talking about strongest incarnations, and actually have enough knowledge to defend your topic.

LinkZilla- Exactly there arent any swimming scenes in the old movies, its just them walking through the sea onto land, For example Godzilla vs Mothra Heisei, He was having so much trouble fighting the larvae in the water and he was walk/Swim in the ocean, Hence heisei is very slow in water.

Godzilla 2014 was able to swim from the Bikin Islands to Hawaii in 12 hours. Also the original Godzillas when they fought on land for the first time would always lose.

Also i wasnt talking about a tag team i was saying if Titanosaurus, was alone both mutos would get him. Also im talking about this Godzilla 2014 and the future ones where there are Definitely going to be bigger monsters.

But all forms of the King have thrown bigger monsters then them around. And in a melee fight with, "Atleast Burning Godzilla" Godzilla 2014 could win as how Burning just stood there as Destroyah cut him with the beam.

If you guys could read the topic im saying is that, In Straight up Ferocity melee or i should say BloodLust Godzilla 2014 can beat Most of the Heisei, Most of Millenium, And a good portion of Showa.

Watch the movie again and see how he fights. Also this is only the first movie with him fighting, Perhaps we need to put this conversation on hold till the sequel come out. Also explain this http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkl8i2_godzilla-vs-spacegodzilla-frist-fight_shortfilms He only used his Atomic breath, If he was fighting Godzilla 2014 Godzilla would have already tackled him.

Also i was talking about the original Mechagodzilla not Terror of Mechagodzilla. Also the main reason Burning Godzilla survived, is Because of his Supreme Durabillity And regenerater G-1.

Without that i dont know how long the Original Godzillas could last. I have watched all of original Godzillas i can take a picture and post it here if you want? Godzilla 2014 in a brawler style Tooth and Claw  action can beat alot of the original Godzillas. I still absolutely love all versions of Godzilla. If i didnt i wouldnt be making a arguement about the one thing that could possibly defeat them. I love reading your posts so please continue.

There's so much wrong with that post I don't even feel like breaking down why each point is wrong. Whatever if you want to think this is the best melee Godzilla and none of the points so far have swayed your opinion it's obvious nothing will. It's apparent even with the vast evidence used against this to the point you're making up stats like the amount of time he took to get to hawaii, despite the movie never saying where he came from, or addressing the time it took to get there.

BTW you keep using ferocity to describe him and that is sooooooo bad. Nothing about this Godzilla is ferocious, otherwise when he was attacked on the bridge he would have turned and destroyed all the ships and everything on the bridge, and when he got up at the end he would have destroyed the city rather than casually walk out his melee attacks weren't especially brutal outside of killing the muto which is no worse than ripping off ebirah's claws, twisting off MechaGodzilla's head, blowing up orga from within, blowing off King Ghidorah's head, or biting anguirus's neck as he tries to run away then setting him on fire. 

DURP004- shut up I agree With gorilla

So that makes him right because you agree with him? Okay then you're both wrong and I can give so many reasons why, but I think judging by how the posts on this thread of have gone from even gorillagodzilla going from "the best" to "better than most heisei most millennium, and a good portion of showa". You aren't the best by being better than most, you're the best by being better than all of them, which even he appears to have accepted this Godzilla isn't. If you have a point to prove the things I've said wrong then say it otherwise telling me to shut up is basically what a six year old would say when they realize they have no points left to make but want to walk away thinking they're right.

DURP004- sorry. I was in a bad mood. Now I don't have any points to prove because gorilla said every I probaly would have said

Durpoo- For the most part you are right. Convincing you is virtually impossible since most of your points are probbaly correct compared to mine. However i felt like Godzilla 2014 could beat them in melee with his overall strength and bites. But if you didnt notice the intro post says i was using the Godzilal vs King ghidorah heisei, Not burning Godzilla, Not final wars.

Because like i said if Godzilla 2014 were to knock over Heisei, He would finish him off, But thats just my opinion. But i do however think you guys are overating Showa. Showa would get beaten in the most part if it wasnt for occasions when Anguirus or Rodan appeared. Also in the first fight with MechaGodzilla 2 he knocked Godzilla down with his missles. And Godzilla couldnt get back up.

If Godzilla 2014 did that he would have killed Godzilla. Also this was a talk of straight up Melee, If they didnt have their atomic breath, no Regenerator G-1, Just tooth and nail. I think Godzilla 2014 could pull through.

Yesterday i watched all of the Showa Godzillas, And i still believe that Godzilla 2014 could defeat them. So on your question of Ferocity, I was saying IF Godzilla 2014 was more ferocious vs the showa and Heisei. His brutality could defeat them i believe. He would atleast force Showa to fly away with his atomic breath.

Gorillagodzilla777897- your right because Godzilla 2014 is 2nd fastest incarnation. Zilla being the 1st lol. I love heisei godzilla but man he has thunder legs, if you know what i mean. Heisei Godzilla was paralyzed/killed before by MechaGodzilla and if it wasn't for Rodan Godzilla would have died. So if they were in a death battle, G'14 would win. Now moving on to Showa. Idk if you guys mention it yet but the Showa G Is one of the smallest incarnations. dont believe me here you go

Plus Showa would try a dropkick and just bounce off of G'14. Or he would just hold his face while Showa g would try to punch him but kick missing because G'14 is holding him back. Now here are the incarnations I think G'14 can beat. '54, Showa, Heiesi, '84, Zilla, '2000, and maybe 'FW and '2003. That's leaves GMK, Burning Godzilla, '07. Why '07? IDK it was a huge version of Showa and '84 Mixed together.

If i may i would like to throw in some few things here. :)

First thing is first if godzilla showa all the way to godzilla 2014 were exactly the same height then my money would defenitly be on showa godzilla, the showa godzilla had better fights with his opponents, Heisei godzilla was all about the power, and the millenium had a little combination of both.

However in my full honest opinion, godzilla is godzilla to me, that said i don't think we need to say that this one can beat this one, only because the simple fact is they all have the same ability, don't believe me look it up on toho kingdom's monster bios.

Next thing is Godzilla 2014 has not been fully charged so to speak, we really have no idea on how strong he is when lifting his opponents or even buildings. For all we know godzilla 2014 "could be stronger than most" but for the time being it is really hard to say.

Also if you look at it the way i do when i say godzilla is godzilla, think of it like this. Assuming that i were godzilla for example from the first film, but the only thing the producers do is add few things to me in power and height for example. Does my character really change? No it doesn't what is the difference between the amazing spider man and the original spider man? Absolutly nothing. In regards though everyone these are all films at the end of the day, and we all need to respect those people who gave us what they could through their technology, special effects, story lines, the list goes on and on though. So really is their any point in agreeing to disagreeing about godzilla? Nope sorry but there isn't.

Hopefully you all can see this and can look at these films the way that i do. :)

Few things i forgot. XD

Godzilla from the showa all the way to the final wars film, godzilla was able to swim at speeds of 40knots, but g14 was at 33knots before picking up speed and leaving behind the military when pursuing him. So maybe g14 is also capable at swimming at 40knots. :)

His armorded hide is tough, but how tough is it? We really don't know, all original godzilla's were able to withstand missle attacks, while the new might have been confused or maybe even antagonized by what was happening. Though one thing is for sure all godzilla's feed off of atomic radiation that is the one factor that can be said on all godzilla's . :)

Something else i missed.

@high flyers tag team,

Never tell anyone to shut up, that was disrespectful.

Bigbadben- You are exactly right, But in terms of Godzilla armor let me say a few things. Godzilla 2014 if you believe the awakening comic as canon, Survived being a few feet away from the permian impact. And apparently he was unscathed. Also even in Godzila vs mechagodzilla and titanosaurus he wasnt being brutaly stabbed in his gills by 2 ferocious creatures.

For the most part it was him barely surviving takeing on 1 on 1. But if we dont believe the awakening, Then Godzilla did take castle bravo point blank on his face. And also i read a article where it said that Godzilla wasnt healing from the wounds for 60 years but was infact sleeping because the Shinomura was killed by the Castle Bravo.

He had no reason to go back up. But in every other part you are exactly correct all Godzillas are equal. But the meaning of this post was to say, If Godziilla 2014 was on a BloodLust, full strength i think he could take on Showa and Heisei, And 2000.

Highflyertagteam- Zilla doesnt count as a version of The King, since he is not The King. So that makes Godzilla 2014 the fastest. I think in overall strategic combat he could beat all the ones you said, But im not sure about final wars since he was a martial artist. Also were talking about with no Atomic Breath.

@gorillagodzilla,

In all fairness, we all should be happy that us fans got what we wanted this time around and that the frachise is still alive today, thanks to legendary and warner bros. :)

You might be right but as of now it is tough to say, hopefully in the sequal we will see godzilla in full strength and can see his brute power at full to determine how really tough he is. :)

GORILLAGODZILLA77897-how tall is FW. Anyways not to be off topic but to me Zilla is sony's incarnation. Us fans know he's not a true godzilla but still. 

Can a mod make this a main forum lol

Please. This is a perfect topic.