Godzilla's 2014 Size Discussion

I agree with RR44

I did some comparisons using google earth and the 555 California street building and there´s no way he could look that tall if he´s only 350ft tall.

About 600ft is the perfect heiht for him, he will look like a walking mountain and there´re still enough buildings they could hide him behind.

But this point is still a bit strange to me, it´s not Godzilla-like to hide ;)

And I think they don´t need buildings to hide him, they could use smoke, mountains and the sea - so no real reason to downsize him.

I think, that Godzilla must be not smaller than 700-779 feet. 

ive never watched a movie where they don't screw up scale ever once in a while and im sure this wont be any different. Fricken cloverfield, they couldn't decide on the monsters size.

after watching it on blu ray.. and seeing it in the theaters too.. the last 60 seconds of the movie reveals GODZILLA'S approximate height. And without a doubt in my mind.. after doing some intense research on the buildings near GODZILLA as he was getting ready to roar and then go for a swim... I have concluded that HE IS TALLER THAN 500 feet. and that cannot be debunked. either Hollywood lied.. or they got it wrong in the FX department.

@RR44 - You're conclusion is entirely inaccurate and Legendary themselves have confirmed his height numerous times. Seriously, stop trying to guess that he's taller than 355 feet which is his official listed height from Legendary.

He is not 500 feet, nor is he more than 500 feet. If you haven't paid attention to Legendary's official stats and such, start doing some research because in all honesty it's just sad that you still think that he's that tall. The buildings he was walking by in the end of the movie were only around 25-30 stories, not 45-50 stories. He's not 500 feet plus. He's 355 feet.


It's a fact now, so accept it and move on.

to the previous comment I say this... I DID DO RESEARCH.. and unless hollywood shrank the buildings in that scene for purposes yet to be known.. the buildings heights remain the same and cannot be simply ignored .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Embarcadero_Center

this building is the one featured in the last scene before godzilla goes swimming. SO.. think what YOU want.. and look at the link above.. watch the movie again and then make a call.. anyone with common sense can see this and come to a rational conclusion. either hollywood got the FX wrong or they are not telling the truth about his height. 

peace.

Yeah, they definitely got the FX wrong. Example: The Golden Gate Bridge.

From where Godzilla rose out of the water, there was no way he could've stood with his upper body above the bridge. Only near the shore along the shallow bottom could he have achieved that. However, his overall height makes sense in that scene. From where he was standing in the water, if it did happen to be that shallow, he could easily show himself like he did. 355 feet makes sense, because other heights above that are pushing it as far as "tall as some buildings, taller than others, shorter than others, and still able to be hidden".

The thing is, Godzilla is much larger in mass compared to a building of a similar height, which can also give the allusion he's much taller than he actually is.

I'm so perplexed as to why it matters that Godzilla is even bigger than 107 meters. Why is it so important to some fans that he be even bigger than the impossible size he already is? Isn't he big enough?

I don't get it either. Though, to be fair.......... Actually, i won't spoil it. You'll have to wait for my series down the line for that unfinished answer to be finished ;D

Yeah i thought we were done with this whole subject.

He is 355 feet people, that is tall enough for me.

since this is a discussion about his size.. and for those who do want to know.. so what. thats why its called GODZILLA'S 2014 SIZE DISCUSSION. if you don't care and wish to move on from this topic.. do so.. no one is telling you to care or not to care. and its the oakland bay bridge.. not the golden gate bridge. fact.

^That's fine if you care, but the official stats are 107 meters. Why not just accept there are size discrepencies for creative purposes. Godzilla's size has fluctuated for 60 years, why not try to figure out his "real size" in the other films?

It sounds to me like some people here just want Godzilla to be bigger for the sake of being bigger.

That isn't our problem. Our problem is people trying to refute official statements of the size of our latest Godzilla iteration. He's 355 feet tall, no questions asked.  We're not really arguing his actual size; more along the lines of his presented size.

Sure, he may not always look like 355 feet tall, and sure, sometimes the SFX make it seem like he's bigger and/or smaller than he should be, but that's an issue with scaling in general when it comes to FX :p

not true.. its not a question of me wanting him bigger.. its a question of integrity. if you tell someone that a cherry is green when in fact it is red.. whats the point ? I see what I see and then I go.. hmmm.. what ?? 355 feet?? not according to the visual on the screen. if he's bigger so be it.. but don't insult my intelligence and claim he is one height..ie 355 feet.. and then display him on the big screen as being much larger.. I have sent a message to legendary about this.. and even though I wont get a reply.. they will get the message.. I am not here to make grand claims.. only point out facts and inconsistancies. and yes.. his height does matter because toho will want it to matter.stats and info on the web can be manipulated.. and we all know how honest hollywood is.. not. I trust my eyes. I see it.. and thats that. when I was in grade school I read a book simply titled.. GODZILLA.  in it Godzilla was said to be 400 feet tall. (this book was put out there by hollywood and it came out in the mid 70's.).. of coarse he was not in the original.. but hollywood wanted him to be . so size has been at the forefront for a long time.

Toho? You mean the studio that yo-yo'd Godzilla's size for 50 years? A 50 meter monster who was presented to be roughly the same height as high tension towers and then in Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla they're about half his size when he transforms into a magnetic force?

Or the 100 meter Godzilla established as being double the height of high tension towers in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah and then in Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II they're suddenly his height again?

Please. Toho only wants a stat to put into hundreds of compendiums they'll make money off of for the next 60 years. If Toho cared that much their producers wouldn't have praised it up and down.

Look, RR44........ we aren't insulting you. We're just concerned you're not approaching the facts straight. This new Godzilla is 355 feet tall. That's official, just like all other Godzilla iterations and their official heights.

Does that mean SFX makers will accurately represent that all the way through? No. In fact, it's almost guaranteed that there will be discrepancies for the purposes of film presentation. Does that mean it'll always be inaccurate? No. In fact, it's almost guaranteed as well that for the most part, SFX makers will try to remain accurate if possible.

It's not like it's a big issue that's never been seen before, because it's actually a lot more prevalent in earlier films than this one, really, logically looking back on things.

They did warn us before the movie was released that there were some bad SPFX shots that would make godzilla look twice as big though.

Other than that i am going to have to agree with Gman 1, and Gman 2.

OK.. I surrender to the general assembly.. and admit I could be wrong. However.. IF the FX guys got it wrong more than once in this movie.. they were real expensive mistakes and very misleading.. I would fire them and get some CGI pros in there who can get it right. I guess we have to wait until the next movie to see.

Seriously? THAT harsh? Honestly, those guys are some of the better ones out there. It was probably hard enough making Godzilla look the way he did without compormising too much on how much he can "fit" into the filming. To the average moviegoer, it isn't the scale itself, but the sense of scale. We only notice because we look back from a different perspective given time to carefully analyze things over that we can't draw from simply watching.

Honestly, I'm surprised you see these FX errors as such a big deal, RR44, considering how badly previous films got it, as well as even the biggest budget movies with heavy CGI. Also, consider intentional scaling differences to emphasize certain scenes. For example, in the end sequence of How To Train Your Dragon, when the Red Death fell to its fiery death, during the scene where Hiccup and Toothless are trying to escape the rising inferno, the scale of Red Death was actually three times its actual size.

Why? For dramatic effect. You don't notice at first, but once someone mentions, looking carefully, you can see it more clearly. All a matter of perspective.

known structures = points of reference. forgive my passions on the matter.. if I am watching the final scene in the pre prodution studio.. I would be like... uhhh.. hey guys.. we need to fix this.. cuz the big G looks waaay bigger than that building right there.. the one thats called the One Embarcadero center.. cuz its like 569 feet tall. and our G is like 355 feet tall.. so lets correct that.. cuz some people might think G is bigger than what we said.  

THEY can't be that stupid.

Again, either problems figuring out the scale at times, or intentional scaling differences.

well.. its been a slice... I can only speak on this for so long.. I will wait to see what they do in the sequel. IMO.. if I were in charge of production.. I certainly would want consistancy if I was portraying the biggest monster to ever grace the big screen... up against the some of the most elaborite skyscrapers the world has come to know. and I personally would not have told the public that Godzilla is this big.. and then have him appear on screen bigger than what I had said. but you have to admit.. for a movie that was intended to be "grounded and realistic'.. and for all the money and effort invested.. they made a few mistakes. Its not like they could have overlooked these errors in preproduction. It could have been corrected in time. besides.. its not like they did'nt have enough time to make adjustments. they had 5 plus years to get everything set.. to plan everything. So the size "depiction' error.. if thats what it was.. was a huge error. no pun intended. Gareth Edwards may be a rookie in Hollywood.. but even he had to have seen that one.

Well, what fun would that be if all the CGI were perfect? Then we fans would have nothing to chew the film about FX-wise, and that's customary of all Godzilla films :P

^Very true. However, you all have to agree that jim rygiel did do a great job on G14. :)

yes.. i agree... can't wait to see what he does with gidorah in the sequels. i hope seamus mcgary returns as well. We need more money shots of monsters vs people so to speak.

sorry.. seamus mcgarvy..

dang it.. it can't spell right or type for squat.. McGaarvey.. there got it right that time.

still wrong.. you know who i mean

Here's my input on his size. If you have the target exclusive version of the blu ray disk and you watch the rebirth of an icon at 22 minutes into it they say his final height is between 350 and 400 ft. Then they have a chart which I will post and it appears that godzilla is 455 ft tall. Also if you look at the golden gate bridge compared to him I don't think he's 355 ft tall. I mean that's his official stats, but they don't measure up at all.... Here's the picture I took....

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alrighty than, I can't get the picture to upload, here's where you can view it, http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2la51sm&s=8#.VDP9-fldViY

@CEEBOOGIE...In case you don't know.. the actual bridge in the movie is the Oakland Bay bridge.. so ya got to look up the specs on that. Also.. look up the four embarcadero center. notice the height of it and watch the final scene. I seriously doubt that WETA digital made this bad of a CGI mistake in the end of the movie. some will say.. ahh.. who cares about his size? well.. I DO. and I know others do too.. so called official stats.... do not coincide with visuals in the movie.  This GODZILLA is well over 400 feet in height. I think over 500 myself.

Actually, it's already confirmed the bridge is still the Golden Gate Bridge. Have you never heard of CGI being altered in areas for a certain effect and/or tone? It's happened lots of times in the film already. For example, Godzilla wouldn't be able to stand up in the water where he was if it was strictly realistic and not for effect. He'd just be submerged.

For effect.

And the bridge scene itself? You have to admit that Godzilla needed a certain atmosphere visually going for him in that particular scene.

For effect.

If the movie were strictly accurate, we wouldn't have some of the great Godzilla scenes we have.

it was the oakland bay bridge.... the navy ships were in oakland bay... the military post was in oakland bay park.. or the mock version of it anyway. this is a fact. and if it was to be depicted as the goldengate bridge.. then Godzilla would have to be 500 feet tall to be looking down at it. i hear a lot about effects in this movie. if we are to put trust in effects in order to determine size and such things... then the movie should reflect the so called official stats...but alas.. it does not.. and thus has failed in its objective of being a "grounded and realistic film.. and although I like the movie..I feel that we deserve to get what we pay for when we go to the theaters. IMO.. there was and is no excuse for such gross misrepresentation on the part of WETA Digital. nor can I excuse the producers of this movie for not seeing the CGI errors during production. Everyone here has different opinions. some care about such things while others don't. but I digress.

Nope, it was the Golden Gate Bridge. Confirmed in special features and all other official media. You DO realize that there's such a thing as purposeful effects discrepancies, right? You know, where the visual media is inconsistent at times on purpose for effect. It's kind of a staple of the Godzilla franchise as a whole. You wanna berate this movie for it? You then have to berate previous films for it too, no matter your opinion, since they possess just as bad, if not worse inaccuracies for the sake of presentation

I get what you say.. and I don't dispute what you say about past movies. On this movie.. to quote Gareth Edwards.." we are taking this movie very seriously" and "we're taking very grounded and realistic approach to this film." That being the case... I itake that to mean simply that every aspect and effect has to be just right.. or else it becomes just another Godzilla movie that meets the inaccuracy standards that past movies are noted for. IF I had the money that they had.. and access to the CGI... I would have made sure that there was consistancy and accuracy so that every scene would have a Godzilla that matches the Specs.. when put next to a known structure.. ie skyscraper. and thus I would ensure that realism and effect would not conflict with each other. as for the bridge.. for the film they used the oakland bay bridge.. and althiough its being refered to as the golden gate.. it is not. effect... in this case steals away from the point of realism.. and for the fan who wants things to be right about a movie.. especially if its been done 29 times before...  one would think that theres no room for error... goofs of any other thing that would detract from the theme.I know that there are others out there who feel the same.. but yet might not be so inclined as tyo speak out for fear of ridicule. If people want errors and campiness and goofs...and bad dialog.. the assylum pictures has a crapload of that. I expect more from a major motion picture studio like Warner Brothers and Legendary.

Using the term "grounded" and "realistic" and "gritty" means doing things to the right effect. This isn't a movie for the over-analytical fan, this is a movie for fans and non-fans alike to gather around and enjoy as a disaster flick. Again, I emphasize the "for effect" idea so mcuh because that's what matters most. Realism? Again, not the way you're interpreting it. Realism doesn't mean making things strict and unadaptive to proper direction.

It means making the effect of scenes feel real and impactful, despite what is actually in it. That includes upping Godzilla's size to fit the scene. FOR EFFECT. Because it's the effect that counts, not what little details we over-analyzers may find. Do you honestly believe the average-movie-goer would know to look for these inconsistencies that are really intentional?