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@The Legend of Brian I meant to say, "I was not talking about that. I meant that when it came out, it changed a lot for movie marketing, the best example being that after K:SI, most movies had to wait five+ months for their DVD release, whereas before they only had to wait three months. I'm talking about that kind of marketing." Sorry if it was confusing.

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I was not about that. I meant that when it came out, it changed a lot for movie marketing, the best example being that after K:SI, most movies had to wait five+ months for their DVD release, whereas before they only had to wait three months. I'm talking about that kind of marketing.

I think it's fairly common nowadays for movies to release a trailer the Comic-Con before their release.

Yeah, the marketing for that movie changed everything, huh? Who agrees with me?

Based on how the marketing for Kong: Skull Island went, I'm expecting a trailer to drop around Comic-Con

^I KNOW RIGHT!!!! It supposed to release in less than 11 months now! Where the hell is it!!?

I like it! I'm excited for this. And I agree with riggzamortis86. Where is the G:KOTM trailer?

Sounds like the title for a Predator movie (Get it? Apex Predator?). Lol.

^I don't think so, if anything, its right on schedule. Its due in 2020. And shooting can take anywhere from 2 to maybe 3 months. Post can take the longest. So as long as no tragedies happen on set, we should be ok. That and reshoots, and other last minute touch ups.

Point being is that the fans finally get a movie where G and KK get a rematch(sort of speak) since the 1960's! I mean, 10 years ago I would have never guessed this would have been happening! Make it 20 years ago! Hell even 30! This has been a long time coming.

I hope that this means that the movie won't be delayed any time soon.

sweet! now if we can only get a trailer to see G:KOTM.

I Like the working title APEX.

I get it. "Apex" as in Apex Predator. Clever girl.

HA! Did not know that. Well, I see a pattern here.... we can connect the dots.

Anyway just thought I would throw some thought cake at ya for Gamera

Actually, the hollow-earth theory won’t be involved in the Gamera forum at all. It is just a way to make him stand out more and be more unique. But let's save that for the forum.

Also with that muto being brother and sister thing. In Godzilla 2014 the main married couple (ford and Ellie) in the movie are brother and sister in ”Avengers: Age of Ultron” so...

Well honestly if Legendary keeps up with the "hollow earth" theory, Gamera had a similar origin of coming out of the ground after a H-Bomb dropped and awakening the monster. The Heisei Gamera has a way more abstract origin, but that might be more complicated to meld into the Legendary Monsterverse.  

Off topic: isn't weird that the MUTO's are basically brother and sister? Makes ya feel kind of funny now right?

Cool. Can't wait for it. See you then.

The next forum will be released next weeks Monday the 14th and will likely be about Gamera. For Godzilla Jr. I need some more time.

@KaijuWorld Just curious. When is the next forum and what is it going to be about?

Since the hollow earth theory can be applied here to introduce other monsters just showing up whenever they are "awakened", I cant wait to see how this applies to King Ghidorah. Im curious to see how they explain the 3 headed characteristic's(maybe they don't) or maybe bring up that King Ghidorah is from outer space or another Earth born monster. Because having 2 theories on how they introduce monsters would really speed things up. One from underneath the ground/ocean and one from outer space. I guess we will find out in G:KOTM(or not, they don't have to explain anything about its origin, but I feel like that would be lazy writing)

MinecraftDinoKaiju,
I have no issue with the deviation since what we're talking about connects to the possibility/probability of the topic's monster's inclusion in said universe. And quite frankly, since I'm a moderator, I'm the one who gets to allow it.

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Read the comment above this one to see how I feel about the conversations.

KaijuWorld,
The MUTOs DID hatch, but it seems to have taken a long time since they were not near a radiation source. The male larva (which we never see) hatched in 1999 and swam to Janjira where it cocooned at the power plant. The female hatched because the spore was dumped with other radioactive waste which it fed off of and grew for around 14 years. It felt strong enough to break out in 2014 after the male hatched.

Hey everybody? Can we please save this for the real Godzilla Jr. forum ( if/when it is made ) and get back to the original topic?

Here's a third hint:

And as a warning, I will put more hints in if this forum gets anymore off-topic. I don't mean to sound/be rude, but usually, conversations are supposed to go back to the original topic. So if we could please do the same here. Please. Thank you.

That actually makes a lot of sense. I actually have an idea now for a story with Godzilla Jr. I do have one question that might already be answered but anyway.

After the millions of year's, why didn’t the muto eggs hatch by themselves or by the Muto's inside instead of hatching when the mine collapsed in 2014?

Basically. It's a perfect solution for stuff like that. Love it. And I also love the universe having more free roam with its concepts. So you wouldn't even need a hypothetical Gorosaurus or Godzilla egg as per earlier. Just have a member of either species come up from underground, ala Skullcrawlers. Bam. New monsters. Cool monsters. Realistic introduction.

The Hollow Earth theory is exactly as it is described in Skull Island, "a crackpot theory." Today it's akin to a lot of alien conspiracy theorists and considered goofy as hell. But plausibility can only go so far in a giant monster universe and sci-fi tropes such as these are easier to buy in these settings.

It seems (but is not confirmed) the Hollow Earth theory in the Monsterverse is a retroactive concept brought on as inspiration from the caverns in G'14. It also explains how more monsters can come to fruition and gives Godzilla 2 an out from lengthy explanations--Rodan in particular. The Hollow Earth theory can now be used to describe new monsters appearing all over the globe. It also frees the universe from being too realistic and now the series can play it a little more fast, loose and bonkers.

Ahhhhhhh, I see. That's weird to me. I dunno, I always took the cavern in Godzilla as a normally forming cave that a member of the Godzilla species just happened to die in, or even formed by digging itself into said hole, since it was larger than the Godzilla, IIRC. Never occurred to me that it was potentially part of this HE theory.

And I thought Houston's thing was always just a stretch theory. Of course, I get it was the driving force behind Skull Island's plot, but it felt so insignificant to be an actual seed laid that the Earth was partially or mostly hollow. More so just a plot device to go there, lol.

It'll probably get more elaboration in future movies, may even play a role in how the other monsters evaded human knowledge and sight for so long. If Earth's hollow in this continuity, talk about a different view of the MonsterVerse. That's funky. And something I don't think has been a thing in concept since the Showa era, with underground nations.

The "Hollow Earth theory" is what the characters in Skull Island had supposedly found evidence of. It's based on a scientific hypothesis that's been around since the 1600s and been used in sci-fi storytelling since the 1800s. The theory is that the Earth is completely or partially hollow and has many unexplored caverns eluding detection by man. Journey to the Center of the Earth is probably the most popular story revolving around this concept.

The same basic theory is explained by Brooks in Skull Island, insinuating that the entire planet may be harboring similar caverns--the island was just one of many exit points. This seems likely considering the cavern discovered in Godzilla '14 was in the Philippines.

Oh, wow, I must've entirely skimped out on a part of 2014. Just haven't seen it in so long, lol. Makes more sense with just how "bent" the universe is. Personally, I'm all for it, especially if they can maybe get a bit creative with origins. Of course, that's if.

And hollow Earth? Not to detach the conversation, but I thought the implication with Skullcrawlers was that the area below the island itself was hollow in the same way Sera is in Gears of War, just localized, or even like cave networks now below the Earth caused by magma movement. Not that the entire Earth was hollow, which carries its own implications, and is a step above that. Unless hollow Earth was more so hyperbole.

The M.U.T.O.s' "spores" are their eggs. They were completely dormant for millions of years, and the male's only hatched because the cavern where it was was unearthed in 1999, awakening it. They survived all that time because they were attached to a radiation source and kept effectively in suspended animation. Godzilla himself survived for the same amount of time remaining dormant for long periods of time and feeding on geothermal radiation, so it's not a stretch at all to believe his species' eggs could survive unhatched for that time if sustained by a radiation source. These are science-fiction movies, and it's an easy explanation the filmmakers could certainly use to explain how a Godzilla egg survived unhatched for millions of years. The same logic was already used in Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II to explain why Baby Godzilla's egg was around in the present day, and it wasn't even buried anywhere. It's very possible Legendary would use the same explanation in the hypothetical situation where they wanted to introduce a baby Godzilla. They're clearly willing to bend the laws of natural science for the sake of introducing plot elements, otherwise there wouldn't be a hollow Earth or all these giant monsters that the media constantly reminds us violate the square-cube law.

Except spores are able to survive for long periods, due to how they operate. To allow for the thing inside to hatch in optimal conditions, provided they're not in the time before it hatches. In the case of the MUTO in Godzilla, that happened to be in 2014. An egg's not the same, and can't just survive like that.

If the M.U.T.O.s' spores could exist completely preserved attached to a fossilized skeleton underground for millions of years only to hatch after being excavated in the present, the same could go for an egg belonging to Godzilla's species buried underground or deep underwater.

I have to agree with Gman, many of these problems are pretty easily circumvented with, it "frozen" "hibernating". The very nature of Hallow Earth Theory being integrated into the monsterverse allows pretty much any Earth based kaiju to have an easy in if they were to be included.

Egg frozen in time. Boom. Problem solved.

I have been doing some research on how an egg from the prehistoric era could still hatch today, but I havn’t found anything. So does anyone have an idea of how a Godzilla egg could still exist in the modern day.

I don’t think that there will be a female Godzilla will be added in the monsterverse and have 2 godzilla’s to create a new egg and I don’t think that they will do the asexual reproduction after Godzilla 1998. 

Honestly though Toho seems to be pushing Minilla a lot more lately, since recent popularity polls in Japan have shown him to be one of the most popular monsters. I would see Toho pushing him on Legendary if they wanted to acquire a "son of Godzilla" character, and Legendary might go with him in that hypothetical scenario if they were given enough freedom with how to portray the character. He probably has marginally more marketability than any of the versions of Junior overall and substantially more marketability than Junior as far as the Japanese fanbase is concerned.

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And that was what I was talking about (not Minilla). That is what I was trying to say.

MinecraftDinoKaiju,
The names "Minilla", "Baby Godzilla", "Little Godzilla" and "Godzilla Junior" are all trademarked, so Legendary would have to choose which license they wanted for a Godzilla offspring. I could see them getting the rights to "Baby Godzilla" before "Godzilla Jr." if Legendary ever went the "son of Godzilla" route, just because it's a more straightforward name.

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And what about Godzilla Jr.?

@MinecraftDinoKaiju, I can pretty much, without a doubt or any insight into the workings of Monsterverse or plot, guarantee you that Zilla would never work in the monsterverse. Not because of any probability or source material that can muster up, but because out of all the monsters that have ever graced the Toho or Godzilla universes, Zilla is most likely the most hated and loathed. It has no place in this series or anything else for that matter.

Zilla reeks of failure on every level. Yes the movie made lots of money at the box office in 1998, but the monster itself is a terrible joke that wont ever be seen on the big screen again. And for good reason.

Legendary wont touch that monster with a 1000ft pole near its franchise.

Zilla is only good for a punching bag.

But, hey that's my 2 cents(that I found in the street next to a dead dog) on Zilla. Its still fun to talk about.