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@TheLazyFish I think the real question we should be asking is this: if Godzooky is Godzilla's "nephew", then what's up with the Varan-like wings?
MinecraftDinoKaiju
I'm more baffled that he had a nephew in the first place, because that implies that not only does he have a sibling, but his sibling has a mate. First of all, where are all these Godzillas coming from? Second of all, what are the odds that two sibling creatures were among a few creatures to have mutated into Godzillas? And third of all, probably most importantly, WHY AREN'T THEY TAKING CARE OF THEIR CHILD AND GODZILLA IS?!!!!
Were you really? Or were you more baffled at how something could look more uglier and more mutated than Minilla and still be called Godzilla's son (Godzooky)? Now that's the real question.
Gmkgoji,
We were more baffled by the roar.
Same. But I think it gets some leeway due to being a kids cartoon.
Admittedly, i'm surprised that older G-fans back in the day were fine with the Hanna-barbera Godzilla.
Interesting, thanks for the history lesson. Destroy All Monsters Melee was my first exposure to the 2000 design, along with a good portion of Godzilla's rogues gallery, so I never had a problem with it because at that point I had seen two? Three? Three Godzilla movies from the Showa era and most of '98, so all the major designs existed in harmony far as I was concerned. Boy was that initial belief wrong, but as a relatively recent fan I've no problem with any Godzilla designs. It's all Godzilla to me.
@G.H. (Gman) I do remember reading about the "Frogzilla" moniker somewhere. Can't remember where though.
I think the godzilla design that resembled the original Godzilla would probably be Godzilla 1984, it was given back its large fangs and ears.
It's only a model.
Shhhh!
We are Compressor Head and we play rock and roll!
Maybe this is more Terminator but oh well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP4sYKR4NUc
I don't see a reason to hate on the creature design at all. If it looked like the original version these days, people would likely complain that it looked outdated. Yet, some complain that new designs don't hold up to the original.
Godzilla 2000 perpetuated argument after argument and threats to Toho from fans demanding they bring back Godzilla's skin and ray color. Some fans called the design another "GINO" and the term "Frogzilla" was birthed by unflattering screenshots of the suit.
Many fans also felt it perpetuated a false, western stereotype of Godzilla: He's green and simply breathes fire. This was the first officially green suit and the ray color was the same as flames--Giving the impression that Toho had given in to the stereotype. It didn't help that the purple and green color combination sparked the rare Barney comparison. (Which was a reach.)
It didn't help that it came out the same year as Gamera 3 which was universally praised by fans of the genre. When Godzilla 2000 fell short of that, there was a lot of disappointment. It was panned by both Japanese critics and most American fans who saw it upon release. Additionally, people felt Toho was trying to copy the the Gamera trilogy, ala Godzilla's ray color/power up. Others felt Orga looked a little like Gamera as well. It didn't help that producer Shogo Tomiyama had also pitched Godzilla 2000 as the first of a trilogy, like Gamera.
Clearly, a lot of these criticisms didn't stick. The fanbase was very hypersensitive after the 1998 abortion and any minor deviation in the series was considered "GINO". Many fans seem to like it in hindsight and obviously the new fans aren't old enough to remember the drama.
My favorite designs are as follows:
1. 2019
2. 2002/2003
3. 2014
4. 1998
5. 1995
@Xenotaris I think if I had to pick my top 5 favorite Godzilla designs, they would be:
1. 2019
2. 2002
3. 1989
4. 2001
5. 1964
The redemption after punishment angle is not new either but just as valid. I just personally like the darker view that we will be destroyed because of our collective irresposibility.
Interestingly, both styles utilize fear to modify behavior. Somehow that sounds familiar in other aspects of life outside sci fi...
Well, I can see an Extinction story as a way to scare people into behaving. It’s not that uncommon. I remember learning about a anti nuclear Comic that had an entire town killed. Only the dog survived only to die from the aftermath effects. So I can see how an Extinction story could work but I personally just like stories better where the characters in it have chance at redemption.
Titan of Water No apologies needed on this thread although it takes some guts to publicly do so. Just because some one disagrees doesn't make a point or opinion invalid. Let's mush on and have fun!
I’d like to apologize for being a little too closed minded a few days ago on this thread. I don’t like to be that way and I’ll try to do better not to do that again.
1998 sucked in my opinion, but as Godzilla The Series proved, the design was awesome and could have made an honorable Godzilla.
I do too I was just listing all my preferred godzilla
I have not seen every film, but I have always liked the creature design considering the era it was from. For action, I like the creature to be a bit more limber instead of the slow lumbering creature, but that was more due to an actual person trying to navigate in a costume. I like them all.
Monsterverse Godzilla is my favorite design, Godzilla 1998 is my second favorite design, then its Heisei, then shodai goji (1954), then its most of Millennium (2000, Vs Megaguirus, Kiryu Saga), Final Goji, GMK goji, Showa Goji, Anime Goji, Hanna Barabara, then Shin Goji
I honestly have trouble choosing favorites with Godzilla designs, though the MV versions did just about everything right in my opinion for a pseudo-realistic Godzilla, so I guess that makes them my favorite? Ah, that's probably it, I already knew a lot about the movie before I actually got to watching it, so the pace and lack of fighting was expected. I imagine in theaters that would have been a letdown. Actually, my experience with G'14 would probably be similar to yours with G'2000, except the final battle was so hype I kinda forgave the rest of the movie.
Oh, and the music is great too.
@dk I personally don't like '98 as a whole, but I'd be lying if I said there weren't parts that I really liked. The helicopter and sub chases are some of my favorite moments in the franchise's history.
I actually love just about every Godzilla design I've seen, except for maybe Hanna Barbara, but that's different. My main problem was that I had too high expectations for it so the majority of the movie was kinda disappointing until the very end. From when the spaceship became Orga to the end, it was fantastic.
Hm, I guess the suit is a big departure from the Heisei era's designs, but after '98? I don't think I'd be complaining too much. Of course I was one of the faster ones to warm up to Shin's design, so it might just be me.
Godzilla 98 was a fantastic movie! Admit it- we all love a good food fight every once in a while!
If you don't like '98, then maybe you just have a closed mind and that says more about you than the franchise.
probably due to Godzilla 2000 having purple crystaline jagged spikes instead of the white-black maple-leaf spikes?
Backtrack a second, what was so wrong with Godzilla 2000? It's on the slow side at times and the CGI's not great, but how was that movie on the level of '14 and Shin?
Of course I don't want humanity to go extinct in real-life, I am human after all and so our friends and families.
I just tired that in every fiction humans as both species and as a clade (to include those "so called non-human" humans) have plot armor on.
JurassicKaiju14 That is part of the point. It is uncomfortable and scary. If Godzilla is akin to a force of nature, we know that nature doesn't care about well intentioned individuals- it just reacts and responds while seeking balance.
You don't actually want to see that happen though, right? Like, this is just a discussion for a potential plot element, right?
What about the common everyday people who don't really want to cause trouble? Are they guilty by association?
You, me and every body else. No exceptions.
Seems to put us all on equal footing that way and realize we need to find a way to work things out together. It might sound sappy but is probably true.
G.H. (Gman)
What about the oratio?
I always dislike the humans are special trope and humans always manage to survive after alien/zombie/robot/kaiju incursion why not take the extra step and off the entire clade? No more humans, no more posthumans, and no more transhumans. I mean extinction is a very natural part of evolution and nothing lasts forever, so why should humans? The planet earth is going to be stripped of life in 1 billion years, so everything will eventually become extinct
@JurassicKaiju Extinction isn’t a new concept in cautionary tales, but the Godzilla films have always been about, at least for me, rebirth and redemption after punishment. So I personally don’t think that would fit. But looking back on it, Extinction stories can be effective if done well.
