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Ok, even though this section become silent, i think is correct to share one of my realizations, i thought about this for a while, Serious Sam couldn't be able to kill Godzilla once for all, his cannon hasn't enough ammunitions. And Sam hasn't enough firepower to do so. it would be an hard battle, Sam could be able to injure him, but kill him no.
Okay, Game Changer, in your opinion who is the human, in every piece of fiction, to be able to kill Godzilla without superpowers or the help of Supernatural elements (Sci Fi Technology counts)?
I actually just recently purchased the DVD for Godzilla: Tokyo SOS. It was alright. I didn't like it as much as I did Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla, but I thought it was okay.
And KiryuGoji is probably my favorite of the classic suitmation designs. I like how they took the basic Godzilla 2000 look and then gave it the classic color scheme.
Nearly 20 years ago I was presented with storyboard and production art from Mothra vs. Godzilla claiming Mothra, being a goddess, does not reproduce, she is simply reborn. The laws of the natural world don't apply to her and trying to shoehorn her as a "species" is the wrong way to go about it--Especially since science couldn't explain her in her debut film. (Which is the point.)
The storyboards and production art (that I wish I had saved) revealed the two Mothra larvae that hatch in Mothra vs. Godzilla are both the same Mothra that died. She's simply using two bodies because she realized two would be needed to defeat Godzilla. When one of them died before Ghidorah: The Three Headed Monster, it was because Mothra knew both bodies were no longer needed. This idea is heavily based on Buddhist beliefs.
I don't know if this same point-of-view applies to every continuity, but the Cosmos made it sound like the Mothra that hatched in Godzilla vs. Mothra '92 was somehow the same one that fought Battra millions of years ago. Perhaps it was, just in a former body.
It also needs to be made clear that the 1990s Mothra Trilogy stands on its own and is not a sequel to the Heisei Godzilla series or the original 1961 Mothra. Regardless, it's possible Mothra simply felt the need to reincarnate as a male for a change. And the fact Mothra Leo hatched while Mothra was still alive isn't an issue since the Showa series insinuated that she can be two entities at once--Plus the international titles for the Mothra trilogy are literally, Rebirth of Mothra, 2 & 3.
Even Dougherty seems to buy into Mothra's spiritual life cycle, claiming, "she knows it."
It appears Mothra is simply a physical form/manifestation for some sort of omnipotent god to interact with our physical world. How and why is above us. All we know is she's here and she can't die.
Then it begs the question- how did Zilla become pregnant?
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Which is precisely why I believe that Zilla was already pregnant and didn't just randomly decide to have offspring. Besides the fact New York is incredibly far away from where Zilla originally lived, as well as there many opportunities for a good place to lay her eggs beforehand, I find it unlikely ZIlla decided to lay her eggs on a whim as much as out of necessity. Also, I doubt they would REALLY care if she was pregnant beforehand because GIANT MONSTER DESTROYING NEW YORK THAT'S LAYING EGGS TO MAKE 400 MORE OF IT AND OUR ONLY HOPE IS A WORM BIOLOGIST AAAAAAAH!!!! They kinda had... other concerns lol
TheLazyFish It has been about 4 years since I saw 98. I saw no evidence or hint of prior impregnation. It is possible it was already pregnant at the beginning of the movie, but I think that would be a stretch for even casual viewers to make that connection.
Then again, I think the behavior was mentioned that or at least hinted that Zilla may have been seeking a place to nest?
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Unless Zilla was already pregnant when it mutated, or there actually was an unknown male counterpart. As confirmed by the show, there were plenty of "mutations" that already existed in the world that were never discovered, including another of Zilla's kind (Komodinatrix). So, an unknown male counterpart isn't entirely off the table.
Godzilla 1998 seems female due to the eggs, but then we could speculate on that. Was Godzilla able to inseminate eggs it already had? There was no evidence of another creature for copulation. It would seem that it was able to somehow lay multiple fertilized eggs in a football stadium (leaving the stadium undamaged lol!) I think it was probably an oversight on the writers' part and the producers may have thought the general audience wouldn't notice or ask any questions.
So getting back on track, I feel that Mothra Leo is supposed to represent the male of his species.
And I have officially started to accept that Zilla in Godzilla (1998) was a female, and that Zilla Jr. is actually a representative of the true males of the species.
I veiw mothra's creation of an egg as normally as something more akin to the birth of a Phoenix and is some form of matter creation to create a clone. however, i feel Leo's creation was the result of mothra actually having mated with Battra.
we do not know the organ system of Zilla and just that his father was able to reproduce asexually somehow.
That’s sucks I’m really gonna miss this game.
I still don't understand XD
Still c00l tho
I read that the visuals weren't quite up to par and that the character development might be an issue. It also seems KOTM didn't rake in the money as expected and so extra time and effort is being put into it. It is sort of vague, but here is my source. I am unsure of its credibility:
I view the delay as a good thing as it likely means the monsterverse will be continuing.
Oh god, it DOES sound sappy when I (say? type?) out(loud? keyboard?)!
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Yeah, that's definitely the fun part. Being able to partake in an interesting discussion about curious things in something we love!
TheLazyFish I will try to be clearer. Questions should be encouraged if for no other reason to spark spirited debate. The "What if" that is the very core of scifi. Look at your own thread and see the ideas expressed. There is no definitive answer but members are having fun and using the ole' noodle to explore something we all love. I guess the Monsterverse should be fair game too. It is just so out of proportion that it seems a given to not nitpick too much.
Sounds pretty sappy but there it is.
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But then what is the point of a question, if not to ask it?
Like the Space Jockey mystery of Alien, maybe it's best to leave some things a mystery and never be officially answered. That's most of what makes forums fun in the first place.
I mean, male seahorses are the ones who carry and take care of the eggs, but that's different because here Zilla is supposed to be a male LAYING eggs. And Mothra is reproducing asexually, but somehow gives birth to a creature with very different genetics and powers.
All the responses make sense- from magic to being deities to plot convenience. It is fun to pick apart scifi movies but the Monsterverse seems to be an exception. It's got huge creatures that are over the top. There should be a suspension of what is real and accept the Monsterverse on its own terms imo.
I would give some plausibility to Mothra's and Godzilla's apparent confusion on gender. A real world example is the humble Seahorse. Enjoy this video that is less than 3 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaVcdYx0qWY&t=54s
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A diety that keeps dying lol. But I see your point. Still, why did she all of a sudden have a male offspring while all her other children were the practically identical twin sisters?
Zilla Junior isn't really a different film universe. It takes place after Godzilla 1998, and uses the same characters and backstory. Even if we were to say "different universes", Godzilla 1998 would have happened practically EXACTLY the same as it did in Godzilla The Series.
I dunno how. It's called plot convinence.
Mothra is a diety, a god, and therefore can't be compared to normal animals, or even kaiju for that matter. As for zilla, its both male and female, the film says male, but that isn't technically correct. AS for zilla jr....different film universe, so not related really.
I always chalked Mothra up to it just being magic or something.
And as for things not making sense, wait till you see what I have in store for Mechagodzilla...
MinecraftDinoKaiju "History shows again and again, how nature points out the folly of Man..."
Nice job Goji! That was an awesome fight!
Alright, thanks. Chapter 4 has some kaiju vs kaiju action.
Also, are you surprised that Mokele-mbembe retreated?
This was awesome. But let the hype build up before you release Chapter 4.
You know, if you have been paying attention to when people deciphered the whited-out words, then it is the beginning of the cycle repeating itself.
It's japanese translated into kanji.
That's really cool! "“Kikoeteru ka? Kokoro, tamashi! Kono uta... ! Mayoi naki kobushi ni, omosa nado yadoranai. Madada, nigiru, Tsunagu kotae! Honto no imi wo shiru tame ni, Tabiji wa tsudzuku! Kaze wa se wo osu!!!“"Is that spanish? "His back broke out first, gray, pebbled like some lizards she had seen. Enormous five-clawed forelimbs pulled at the edge of the pit, and then his long, curved horn knifed out of the sand, followed quickly by his head. It looked something like an earless elephant, except that its tusks were turned down, rather than up. His tail had unwound; it made up two-thirds of his body length. His trunk flickered out like a snake striking, straight at them. The long, elephantine head opened like a crocodile's, revealing thousands of teeth."
It was in 2011 and I was 6 and the first Godzilla film I saw was 1998 Goji. From then on, I've been a loyal fan to the King of the Monsters and it will always be honor to be one.
This all the more confirms a mech of some sort.
I saw the original Godzilla in the early 70's on "Creature Feature" on channel 32, Chicago. It was the English Version with Raymond Burr. I loved all of it, but I remember being captivated by the final death scene when Serizawa gave his life to kill Godzilla with the Oxygen Destroyer. Awesome.
Jeez they are all good ideas, Toho kaijus all fit well in MV. I would lay my stock on Destroyah, i like that crabby demon. Also if we are mixing Toho with Legendary should Shin Godzilla appear? Then we would have 2 Godzillas? By the way nice thinking.
