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I love this idea. Great job!

Xenotaris

I agree, I feel Zilla would fit right into the Monsterverse if they buff her size to Zilla in Final Wars and get rid of the "asexual reproduction" thing. If they get rid of that, they'd definitely be able to do that. Hell, they wouldn't even need to buy the rights to it since they already have the rights to Godzilla- Oh wait, never mind. Toho already made Zilla into a separate character... damn it.

But if you want to see Zilla shine a bit more, you should read Godzilla: Rulers Of Earth. Really good comic and Zilla has a cool scene in the beginning that seems to redeem her at least a little.

Xenotaris I don't really want to see Zilla in the MonsterVerse. But if you want to see Zilla get a little more respect, go read Godzilla: Rulers of Earth. Godzilla and Zilla have a battle at the beginning of the comic, and Zilla actually manages to hold his own for a little while, and in general he's given much better treatment.

personally I love Zilla and even consider it a type of Godzilla, just wished it had its atomic fire breath and was a little stronger. I am with LazyFish and MinecraftDinoKaiju when saying this, I believe Zilla should have been considered a female rather than a male but Roland Emmerich decided that his Godzilla had to be a male no matter what even to the point when it defied biology.

I think Zilla/Godzilla98 needs a second chance to shine, perhaps the monsterverse could elevate this kaiju to Godzilla status?

Xenotaris So he basically didn't give a care about what he was doing with the character. Which is how we wound up with Zilla (who I don't think is necessarily a bad monster in his own right, but he's a lousy Godzilla outside of the animated sequel series).

Y'know, say what you will about the MonsterVerse movies as a whole, but at the very least they put in actual effort to get the monsters right.

G. H. (Gman) Out of curiosity, have you read the original Mothra novel?

Ready Player One Mechagodzilla

I like the Godzilla vs Gigan box art too

Well Roland Emmerich did hate Godzilla

Godzilla: King of the Monsters has been added to the attendance charts.

dk,
There are 4 Mothra movies with no Godzilla. Mothra had her own solo film 3 years before she entered the Godzilla franchise.

Mothra was based on a standalone Japanese novella.

I enjoyed 1998 for what it was but can agree with people hating it for stepping out on the established canon/mythos. Back then, there was a lot of new research being done on dinosaurs and Jurassic Park was a juggernaut. It seemed like 1998 wanted a piece of that pie with a more agile creature and it was important that the tail didn't drag on the ground and was more lizard like. 

Since the franchise has changed hands over the past half century, I try to enjoy each movie on its own. The last Godzilla marathon I watched was out of chronological order and there wasn't much continuity. After a while of binge watching, it became a blur. I do remember the ones I liked most were the Toho movies though. Just a matter of opinion.

As for off shoots- I never liked Godzookie. It was just stupid.

It would be interesting to see a movie or even an hour long movie dedicated to Mothra only with no Godzilla. That could spur dozens of shows highlighting each character from the monster verse. For all I know, some one may have done it?

The actual movie. I have no desire to look any deeper into that film than I already had to endure in 1998 and the immediate years that followed.

The movie wanted raptors, but it also wanted Godzilla to be a dude. So he was dude that had baby raptors. They thought through it about as well as anything else in that dumpster fire.

Are you talking about my theory for it or the actual movie, because either way you're right lol

G.H. (Gman)

I felt a disturbance in the force

JurassicKaiju14,
Yeah that was the big complaint over 17 years ago. It didn't help that one of the first two images of the suit was extremely unflattering. The suit also got crap for essentially just being the Mire/GiraGoji body with new spines, a new head and the classic color scheme. "Lazy" was thrown around a lot.

I always felt the suit was a proportional improvement.

It's garbage.

Nice review. I passed on this as I'm a dub snob. Really disappointing. 

Happy birthday, Kiryu and Kiryugoji.

@G. H. (Gman)

And what's the long explanation for Zilla in Godzilla (1998)?

Monster_Zero 2112 Already read Chapter Thirteen. I have the book.

G. H. (Gman) As somebody who actually owns the S.H. MonsterArts Godzilla 2002 figure, I can safely say that I am a bit put off by the slight downward-angle of the skull going towards the front.

Gmkgoji Same. He's also the one with the best justification for being built in Godzilla's image, that being that he is partially the 1954 Godzilla. It makes him more interesting than the Godzilla-shaped weapons platforms that the others were.

Nice. Really love the Godzilla vs Gigan art. Makes Gigan out to be some OP beast.

Kiryu is my favorite Mechagodzilla.

I've always preferred Godzilla against Mechagodzilla over Tokyo S.O.S.

Happy birthday Kiryu!

Technically Saitama doesn't have superpowers, he's just grotesquely strong because he trained for 3 years and became WAY stronger than he originally was. If not, MAYBE Batman or Iron Man because they are scientists with a lot of money. If they were to team up they'd have a better chance, but still only win a fraction of a percent of the time. I do know ONE person who could kill Godzilla without any super-tech: Serizawa.

G.H. (Gman)

Thanks, that really cleared things up for me. 

The debate over which film is better has never ceased. I think the grand majority like the first one more, although there are aspects about the second that I tend to lean into more. (Despite the fact it's pretty much a remake of Mothra vs. Godzilla--Only this time MechaGodzilla's the McGuffin.)

The Godzilla suit is yet another example of that fans look back on fondly, but was criticized heavily at the time. The Gonzo comparisons were a thing...

Ok, even though this section become silent, i think is correct to share one of my realizations, i thought about this for a while, Serious Sam couldn't be able to kill Godzilla once for all, his cannon hasn't enough ammunitions. And Sam hasn't enough firepower to do so. it would be an hard battle, Sam could be able to injure him, but kill him no.

Okay, Game Changer, in your opinion who is the human, in every piece of fiction, to be able to kill Godzilla without superpowers or the help of Supernatural elements (Sci Fi Technology counts)?

I actually just recently purchased the DVD for Godzilla: Tokyo SOS. It was alright. I didn't like it as much as I did Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla, but I thought it was okay.

And KiryuGoji is probably my favorite of the classic suitmation designs. I like how they took the basic Godzilla 2000 look and then gave it the classic color scheme.

Nearly 20 years ago I was presented with storyboard and production art from Mothra vs. Godzilla claiming Mothra, being a goddess, does not reproduce, she is simply reborn. The laws of the natural world don't apply to her and trying to shoehorn her as a "species" is the wrong way to go about it--Especially since science couldn't explain her in her debut film. (Which is the point.)

The storyboards and production art (that I wish I had saved) revealed the two Mothra larvae that hatch in Mothra vs. Godzilla are both the same Mothra that died. She's simply using two bodies because she realized two would be needed to defeat Godzilla. When one of them died before Ghidorah: The Three Headed Monster, it was because Mothra knew both bodies were no longer needed. This idea is heavily based on Buddhist beliefs.

I don't know if this same point-of-view applies to every continuity, but the Cosmos made it sound like the Mothra that hatched in Godzilla vs. Mothra '92 was somehow the same one that fought Battra millions of years ago. Perhaps it was, just in a former body.

It also needs to be made clear that the 1990s Mothra Trilogy stands on its own and is not a sequel to the Heisei Godzilla series or the original 1961 Mothra. Regardless, it's possible Mothra simply felt the need to reincarnate as a male for a change. And the fact Mothra Leo hatched while Mothra was still alive isn't an issue since the Showa series insinuated that she can be two entities at once--Plus the international titles for the Mothra trilogy are literally, Rebirth of Mothra, 2 & 3.

Even Dougherty seems to buy into Mothra's spiritual life cycle, claiming, "she knows it."

It appears Mothra is simply a physical form/manifestation for some sort of omnipotent god to interact with our physical world. How and why is above us. All we know is she's here and she can't die.

Then it begs the question- how did Zilla become pregnant? 

dk

Which is precisely why I believe that Zilla was already pregnant and didn't just randomly decide to have offspring. Besides the fact New York is incredibly far away from where Zilla originally lived, as well as there many opportunities for a good place to lay her eggs beforehand, I find it unlikely ZIlla decided to lay her eggs on a whim as much as out of necessity. Also, I doubt they would REALLY care if she was pregnant beforehand because GIANT MONSTER DESTROYING NEW YORK THAT'S LAYING EGGS TO MAKE 400 MORE OF IT AND OUR ONLY HOPE IS A WORM BIOLOGIST AAAAAAAH!!!! They kinda had... other concerns lol

 TheLazyFish It has been about 4 years since I saw 98. I saw no evidence or hint of prior impregnation. It is possible it was already pregnant at the beginning of the movie, but I think that would be a stretch for even casual viewers to make that connection. 

Then again, I think the behavior was mentioned that or at least hinted that Zilla may have been seeking a place to nest?

dk

Unless Zilla was already pregnant when it mutated, or there actually was an unknown male counterpart. As confirmed by the show, there were plenty of "mutations" that already existed in the world that were never discovered, including another of Zilla's kind (Komodinatrix). So, an unknown male counterpart isn't entirely off the table.

Godzilla 1998 seems female due to the eggs, but then we could speculate on that. Was Godzilla able to inseminate eggs it already had? There was no evidence of another creature for copulation. It would seem that it was able to somehow lay multiple fertilized eggs in a football stadium (leaving the stadium undamaged lol!) I think it was probably an oversight on the writers' part and the producers may have thought the general audience wouldn't notice or ask any questions. 

So getting back on track, I feel that Mothra Leo is supposed to represent the male of his species.

And I have officially started to accept that Zilla in Godzilla (1998) was a female, and that Zilla Jr. is actually a representative of the true males of the species.

I veiw mothra's creation of an egg as normally as something more akin to the birth of a Phoenix and is some form of matter creation to create a clone. however, i feel Leo's creation was the result of mothra actually having mated with Battra. 

we do not know the organ system of Zilla and just that his father was able to reproduce asexually somehow.