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These are nice.

Dang it... I missed it. I hope it's cool.

@Dopepope, your renders are phenomenal. The Heisei Godzilla is my favorite so far. 

King Ghidorah seems to have large and very flight-y wings compared to his usual incarnations, at least based on the first trailer; these things look like they could ACTUALLY flap and lift him up.

Not to mention that he has immense control over electricity and storm-bound clouds that follow him at his whim; those probably help, too.

He better fly. Kind of defeats the purpose of the wings. Like Keiser Ghidorah... Yuck.

I missed this last year. Would love to see it happen again, even if I am slowly completing my collection and most likely will have all of them already!

I've read no news of such happening recently. Even if it were going to I doubt Hulu secured the rights to different films--Especially with Filmstruck having most of the Showa series.

That image of the 1998 abortion next to the original only serves as a reminder of how much better every design is to that. I'm glad its been rebranded, but the best thing would be for it to never appear again.

If you changed the of a monster design too much, Like Zilla(I like the monster as its own), Anime Mechagodzilla(Just like Zilla, I like the design as its own thing but not as Mechagodzilla), and Anime King Ghidorah(pretty is much space golden noodle thing).

I'm partial to the theropod body design myself, being a long time Jurassic Park fan. However G-2014 is my favorite godzilla design then its G-1998

Change/evolution just happens over time. Note the origional Godzilla tail vs the 1998 version when research figured dinosaurs didn't drag their tails around.

OG Godzilla:

1998 Godzilla:

Both look really good.

To the OP, it is an interesting question. For Godzilla, I don't mind changes in appearance or abilities as long as Godzilla stays pretty true to what she started out as- G. H. (Gman) stated it better. Godzilla has been around for at least half a century and doesn't seem to show signs of dying out.

I know 1998 got a lot of hate, but I liked it anyway- Godzilla was still a respectable creature. Even Americanized, the movie still showed that Godzilla was good and people sucked. It was a decent stand alone movie but that's about it.

I wouldn’t judge the anime King Ghidorah design just yet. It’s best to see it in action before you judge but I do see your point. Here is a bit of an experiment choose any character and put it in another form like a Chibi for example, they can still recognize it as that character. Now imagine the Anime King Ghidorah or Anime Mechagodzilla in Chibi form. You cant really recognize it due to it being drastically different from what we’ve seen.

 Update. The reason why i'm calling the MUTOs parastioid is because MUTO isn't their proper name since it only means Massive Unidentified Terrestrial Organism.

• "this universe is as believable as a 100m tall lizard with atomic breath, a 30m humanoid ape, a godlike moth and a 3 headed dragon (possibly from SPACE)." You're focusing in the wrong aspect. It's not about what exists in this world, it's how do you present them in a plausible manner that can be acceptable for the general audience. Just remember, selling kaiju to them is already hard enough as it is. You can make Godzilla believable with the scientific and mythological approach the MonsterVerse is taking. I repeat, it's not about the monsters themselves, it's how you present them.

• "bioengineering fits in with the overall tone of the monsterverse." No, it's the meeting between science and mythology that is the overall tone of the MonsterVerse, bioengineering has not once ever been mentioned nor introduced.

• "a reboot should improve a character and its story, should make it more timeless and make it fit in its new universe. just simplifying a character for a reboot is the exact opposite of what you are supposed to do with a classic character." But you can't always introduce them the exact same way in every iteration all the time, you're gonna have to find a way to re-introduce them differently at some point, even if it means amputating once in a while. Kong was re-introduced differently before and no one bat an eye, King Ghidorah changes origins all the time and nobody goes on an outcry, why shouldn't Biollante?

• "this is sci-fi, it is not meant to be fully realistic and believable." You don't have to tell me that, but I'm speaking for the general audience, the normal people who has a hard time getting into Godzilla as it is. Here's one thing you need to understand: the Heisei series got away with the stuff it did because it embraced the more out there elements of science fiction, that was their tone from the start (Super-X comes to mind), but the MonsterVerse hasn't and is more about what it's like if these monsters existed in our world. How can you get away with these ideas in a world that has a different tone and setting? Marvel can get away with it because that was their tone from the start. People accepted Rocket and Groot more because alien elements were slowly implemented since Phase 1, and they're characters that can easily be humanized. Kaiju don't have that luxury.

• "saying stuff like "these bullshit ideas" about just someone's opinion is not very nice to someone who has put hard work and research in something." You're right, it may not sound nice, but I did gave a heads up that I was gonna be brutally honest, you wanted an honest opinion and that's what I gave. If a pitch sounds terrible, it's terrible, I don't mean to offend anyone, but I'm not gonna sugar coat it either.

You know what else is acceptable/unacceptable: drastically changing the character's designs. What makes a character's design so unique and iconic is when people are able to instantly recognize it from their silhouette, everything else is just cosmetic. Cosmetic changes are fine, but if you change it to a point where it is unrecognizable, then you've reached a point where it is unacceptable, that's where Zilla failed, that's where the 2005 Kong design failed (link), and that's where the anime MechaGodzilla and King Ghidorah failed.

And this is where Hollywood succeeded lately: it gives the characters a much needed updated cosmetic, but they still retain their classic shapes. I explain these in my links.

@TheGMan123,
I don't think the way Godzilla is portrayed has anything to do with the negative reaction to the anime trilogy. That's another topic entirely.

TheGMan123 I think you forgot durability.

I think that as long as you keep the shape, atomic breath, power, and durability of Godzilla (and have the setting and squandered potential be executed greatly and efficiently), it can work out great. But as soon as one of these is changed, forgotten, removed, or executed poorly, then it becomes a problem. But that's just me

I do wonder what the difference is between Shin Godzilla and the anime trilogy, then.

The former is an award-winning critical success, while the latter.... is not. I'm personally fine with it, but it seems that across the world, the anime trilogy hasn't been as all-received. Is Godzilla the problem? I don't think it is.

It seems to be more about the setting and the squandered potential of it compared to Godzilla's presence in the setting.

Godzilla remains a powerful force that shows the folly of Humanity's struggle in the trilogy, much like other beloved iterations. It helps that he does retain many of the same basic characteristics of other Godzilla incarnations; shape, atomic breath, and power.

Change is fine as long as it doesn't interfere with the basic premise surrounding a character or thing's meaning. For example, Godzilla was born of the post-war's socio-political climate and he continues to embody ideological shifts in Japanese culture. The basic point of Godzilla is to encapsulate cultural anxiety that might compel the Japanese people to engage it. Shin Godzilla does exactly that. The anime trilogy tries its hand at it and even Godzilla '14, while a little more shallow, has seeds of those ideals.

The 1998 movie, however, never engaged important topics inspired by Japanese culture or wanted to use Godzilla and his kin as a metaphor. Instead it represented a very American attitude toward adversity: Our own cultural might, particularly military, is enough to eventually overcome any obstacle. And in 1998 it happened. Godzilla was killed by the most basic US weapons, representing the polar opposite of what he's meant to stand for. Godzilla submitted to conventional crisis management instead of challenging it as he had for decades.

Beyond that, Godzilla's changed plenty with acceptance. Sure Godzilla "evolved" in Shin Godzilla and fires a laser from his tail, but he's had radical changes like that before:
- His super regenerative abilities weren't canon until Godzilla vs. Biollante.
- He didn't have a "nuclear pulse", with beams of light and a shockwave coming out of his body, until 1989 either.
- He didn't have an alternate, red spiral ray until 1993.
- He had never been green, with purple spines and an orange ray until 1999.
- He had never been a white-eyed, soul manifested creature until 2001.

Adjustments have happened before with and without fan outcry, but in each of these cases, time remembered them as the norm--Because the essence of what the character represented on a basic level remained unchanged.

King Ghidorah has been through a lot too. Although, he may be energy in this new incarnation (not confirmed) he's still an intergalactic destroyer from space--Something actually far closer to the original origin than either of his Heisei or Millennium counterparts. But the point is, of course, that he is always Godzilla's arch nemesis--His ultimate foil in any given situation. Affiliation be damned.

After 1998 fans went a little bonkers about any minor changes regarding Godzilla and it still haunts the franchise. We had good reason to be skeptical of any new shift, but I think enough time has passed to experiment. You can change the exterior a little bit without forgetting what it all stands for.

Images were legit, NECA and Legendary have requested I remove the images and I obliged. 

godzilla3580 Pretty sure it's sticking out of Mothra's abdomen, otherwise it wouldn't be positioned the way it is.

Btw, I think it looks cool. Hope that she gets justice in the next film. (Even though Michael Dougherty might've forgotten about her and the other monsters besides Godzilla.)

Question: Is that part sticking out Mothra's abdomen, or is it part of something behind her?

Is it just me or does it seem to resemble a certain drawn image that was claimed to be a "leaked design"?

Reminds me of Mothra's look in GMK. If it is the final design, I'd be ok with it.

The 1st Godzilla movie was excellent. This one you can tell is going to be awesome. It is only going to get better with Godzilla vs Kong.  Finally some epic movies are coming.  

ah okay thanks

From what we know it's supposed to be a prototype but close to the final design. Could be final but we're erring on the side of caution until we know 100% for sure.

so wait is it a prototype or a final look?

That's cool. Can't wait to see what becomes of it. (As in it might not even be in the final film. [Like the Dilophosaurus being in JW:FK.])

The 1974 version of Megarogoji is my favorite showa design

My favorite suit overall is 1999's Miregoji

Godzilla (1998) and Zilla are separate characters. Godzilla (1998) lasted until 2003 but any future incarnations of the character will be referred as Zilla. Since that Tri-Star held the rights to the character during that time Godzilla (1998) is a legal incarnation even Toho has a trademark icon for both Godzilla (1998) and Zilla

Chapter 4: Primeval Pantheon

Quaternary Period: Early Pleistocene

On the surface many things have changed since the pliocene epoch. Upright apes eventually evolved into tooling making near-hairless apes called Homo habilis, an early human. A scavenging party of H. habilis stalk the coast line of any beached fishes, whatever fish they find they quickly snatch. Their leader Koba was brought the first fish they caught. Before he could tear into its flesh with his sharp jagged stone, sharp jagged spikes burst out out of the water. Koba looked up as he brought the fish up to his mouth, there before him was a massive reptilian creature, Vindexgodzillasaurus fabula. Its carcass washed up on to the shoreline, covered in massive bite and claw wounds. The early humans approach the dead godzilla, they can hear a loud "CRUNCH" the closer they approached the kaiju carcass. A large single claw grasped on to the carcass, then came another single hooked claw. The two claws dug deep into the dead godzilla as it pulls the rest of itself up on top of it, the beast looked vaguely insectoid as well reptilian. The creature ignores the little humans as it spreads its wings to attracts another member of its kind...a female; she lacked the wings of the males and was far larger than him. The female approached the massive carcass to lay her eggs inside the massive carcass, but not before turning her red gaze towards Koba and his troop.

Koba stood definitely at the parasitoid kaiju, he shouts as he his fists before pounding at his chest. The female opened her jaws wide with the intent of swallowing Koba and his clan whole. Then came a thunderous shriek, the female snapped her jaws close as she jerk her head towards the location of the shriek. Two kaiju lepidopterans came soaring from the heavens, in appearance they resembled African Moon Moths; Waxema and Wanema. They were closely related to the kaiju known as Mothra who hails from the South Pacific. The two kaiju moths dive bomb the parasitoids, their antenna discharge a powerful beam at the pregnant parasitoid's swollen belly. However the male sacrifices his wings to shield his mate from harm, he roars in agonized pain, his mate quickly resumes her goal to lay her progeny inside the godzilla carcass. The male parastoid endure as much as he could until his mighty leathery wings could withstand the beams no longer; the beams burnt away flesh and damaged the supporting tissues and structures that made up his wings to the point they just snapped off. The Waxema and Wanema came back around to finish off the male, again firing their prismatic beams into the crippled parasitoid.  

^ ;)

Godzilla 1954 from castle bravo nuke

and also after the testing of castle bravo in 1954, I'm sure thats what made Godzilla awaken

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Godzilla is male. And all for the same reasons The King of the Monsters said.

It all looks amazing. It make me even more excited for the upcoming films. Nice job to the creators.

Huge-Ben Ok, see you then.

I actually wrote a summary of how Godzilla's gender has been addressed officially by Toho for Wikizilla. For the sake of simplicity I'll just paste it here, apologies for the wall of text. The important takeaway is that Toho officially classifies Godzilla as a male and always has. Even the 1998 TriStar Godzilla is officially a male even though it can lay eggs. Anyway, here's the summary:

While the Japanese dialogue in the Godzilla films uses gender-neutral pronouns (equivalent to "it") to refer to Godzilla and all the other monsters, official translations of the films, including dubs and subtitle tracks, will often explicitly identify Godzilla as being a male creature. While some translations will still refer to Godzilla as "it," he has never been referred to as a female in any of his onscreen appearances. Further establishing Godzilla's male gender is his official title, King of the Monsters, or Monster King (怪獣王 Kaijū-Ō) in Japanese. This title was first used for Godzilla in the 1956 American re-edit of the original Godzilla film, Godzilla, King of the Monsters! This title has subsequently been applied to Godzilla in both official Japanese and American media, and has become synonymous with the character, even to the point of being trademarked by Toho. Worth noting is that English dialogue even within the Japanese versions of the films will often refer to Godzilla using male pronouns, examples being Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II and Godzilla: Final Wars. Officially licensed English-language media, such as the Hanna-Barbera Godzilla cartoon, American Godzilla comics, and the films of the MonsterVerse, all consistently refer to Godzilla as a male, with some of the designers for Legendary Pictures' Godzilla even taking care to make the monster's design appear "masculine."[4]

A common point of confusion that has led some to speculate that Godzilla is female is the presence of his sons, as no mate for Godzilla is ever seen onscreen and only female reptiles can produce eggs. However, Godzilla's son in the Heisei series, Godzilla Junior, is explicitly confirmed to not be Godzilla's biological son, but rather another member of the Godzillasaurus species that Godzilla simply adopted. Godzilla's relation to Minilla, his son in the Showa series and in Godzilla: Final Wars, is unclear, as it is never explained in the films themselves if he is Godzilla's biological child or if he was adopted like Godzilla Junior. Even still, Godzilla is explicitly described as being Minilla's father and not his mother, being referred to as "Papa Godzilla" (パパゴジラPapagojira) in supplementary materials for Son of Godzilla. In addition, the film's director, Jun Fukuda, clarified at the time that the Godzilla featured in the film was in fact male.[5]Furthermore, both the 1998 informational book The Official Godzilla Compendium and Toho's official English-language website state that Minilla was adopted by Godzilla in Son of Godzilla.[6][7]

Another common source of confusion regarding Godzilla's gender comes from the 1998 American Godzilla film directed by Roland Emmerich, which featured an incarnation of Godzilla that lays eggs asexually. Even despite this ability, this version of Godzilla is explicitly referred to as a male in dialogue, with Nick Tatopoulos even calling it "a very unusual he" after discovering its ability to reproduce asexually. The film's official novelization even refers to Godzilla as the "father" of his asexually-produced offspring. This Godzilla's sole surviving offspring from Godzilla: The Series does not retain his father's ability to reproduce asexually, and later mates with a female mutant Komodo dragon named Komodithrax to act as a surrogate father to her offspring. When the original Godzilla returns as Cyber Godzilla in the series, Nick refers to the creature as the other Godzilla's "daddy." The Godzilla featured in Shin Godzilla also possesses the ability to reproduce asexually, but not through the production of eggs. Rather, cells that are removed from Godzilla's body will continue regenerating, potentially growing into fully-functioning organisms and allowing Godzilla to propagate across the globe. In addition, at the end of the film, this Godzilla's next stage of evolution is shown to be a collective of smaller human-sized forms that were frozen while fissioning from the tip of his tail. The same applies to Godzilla Earth from the GODZILLA anime trilogy, whose cells gave rise to an entire ecosystem of organisms possessing his DNA, including another Godzilla dubbed Godzilla Filius.

The Godzilla book written by Ian Thorne also makes the strange claim that "Gigantis," as Godzilla is called in the Americanized version of Godzilla Raids Again, is a female monster. This is most likely just one of the miscellaneous errors contained in the book, as dialogue in Gigantis, the Fire Monster consistently refers to Gigantis with male pronouns.

While a female member of Godzilla's species has never appeared in a film, some have been featured in official non-film media. Examples include Rozan from A Space Godzilla, Bijira and Majira from Gojira-kun: Kaijū Daikōshin, and Gojirin from Get Going! Godzilland. The monster Biollante, spawned partially from Godzilla's own cells, is considered to be a female monster, and she and Godzilla are compared to a "brother and sister" at one point in the film Godzilla vs. Biollante.