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How did this turn into a Jurassic park discussion?

As long as the fanbase can get some good CGI models out of it like we did with Smash3 and the PS4 game, I'll be happy.

The Second book is probably my favorite book of all time, sometimes I like it more than the original book. It would have made such a good movie man! With the Carnotaurus, and the morphine addictions, and the everything else!

I made a quick "parody" thing

Yes the first book is great. The second book was more or less a Marketing Tie-in for Spielberg next movie. I haven't read the second book yet, I'm re-reading the first book.

"I feel should they ever re-do the original Jurassic Park novel to any screens, they should make into a TV series rather than a movie due to how content is in the original books."

Same here. I'd totally be down for a mini-series adaptation of at least the first book.

 Book Loyalist are rare but they do exist, most Book Loyalists from experience were former First Movie Loyalists. They tend to talk about reboot the entire movie continuity not to just be more faithful to the books but be an exact copy of the books. 

I feel should they ever re-do the original Jurassic Park novel to any screens, they should make into a TV series rather than a movie due to how content is in the original books.

On a different note: The Transformer community is very toxic, its usually the G1 fans that are the most toxic. They hate Bayformers, they hate Beast Wars, and the rest of the non-G1 transformers

For a solo movie, I'd go with Mothra. She's the only one other than Godzilla or Kong who I think could carry a movie on her own.

@Xenotarsis I think I fall into the General JP/JW fan category. But believe me, I've seen my far share of First Movie Loyalists.

Never seen any Book Loyalists, though.

 I forgot to mention Jurassic Park/World toys

In my experience the Jurassic Park fandom there are three types of Jurassic Park fans

Book Loyalists: Only the books matter to these guys and will hate on any fan who enjoyed the movies including the original Jurassic Park.

First Movie Loyalists: Only the original Jurassic Park movie matters to these guys and will hate anyone who enjoyed the sequels

General Jurassic Park/Jurassic World fans (I am part of this group): Love all of Jurassic Park/World from the books, movies, comics, video games, and game boards.

You want toxic? Try political fandoms (that's just what I call them. I can't remember the actual names. But at least most fandoms are self contained! Seriously! With the political areas of the internet, they basically expand to every corner of the internet. They even made a creepypasta video political!)

Oh boy, a new X-Plus MonsterVerse Mothra figure?! Man, I can't wait to see what it looks–

Aaaaand it's a chibi. Pass.

(No offense to anyone who's into chibis. I'm just not into them myself)

And by the way, this is a really great message. Not just for the Godzilla fandom, but for any fanbase. We need more people willing to take a rational approach to debates and discussions like this.

Well said, Mr. Marshall.

@TheLazyFish I've never been really entrenched into the JP/JW fandom, but hoo-wee did I see some nasty stuff over in the Jurassic Outpost comments pages...

Gotta go fast.

Oh, yeah. I've heard the Star Wars fandom is toxic, but let's not get started with the infamous Sonic fandom, shall we?

Oh, wait. Yes we shall.

I've never really even seen any Star Wars movies, or anything in the fandom.

Speaking of toxic fandoms....

U  n  d  e  r  t  a  l  e

 Or at least seems toxic?

Yeah, the JW community seemed (and still is) to be incredibly nice, from what I read. Still some very minor spats here and there, as with any fandom. 

Also, the Star Wars fandom is toxic?

I wasn't an active participant in the jw forum but trex vs spino matches were banned for a time o  it. I would say that's moreso due to 2 or 3 individuals than the community as a whole.

Overall I feel like a lot of people overeact to discourse meaning the fandom is toxic. As a star wars fan arguably the most "toxic" fandom I don't think it's that bad as long as someone isn't easily offended by comments concerning a fictional world. Of course there have been horrible things said but I don't find that an indication as the fandom as a whole.

I liked the fights and thought the sense of scale was really good, but I agree on the fan service. Some references were fun but the Oxygen Destroyer was too much. 

Overall I thought it was a pretty good movie. Liked Kong more though. 

Yeah, in the Dinosaurs community, there's these Jurassic World Wars I've heard about... but I've never been able to find. I spent two months when I first signed up going through the Dinosaurs forums almost through its entirety, but no luck. I did find a few minor flame wars, but not the Jurassic World Wars... hopefully one day I can find them. What were we talking about again? Oh yeah, this fandom is kinda tame. Some fandoms have significant instances where they've been given actual names, and much worse, some fandoms across the internet that have such large scale battles on such an often basis that there is no point to naming any of the conflicts. This place, besides the occasional passive aggressive remark, is pretty tame. Hell, it's more tame than real life usually.

Tbh I don't really dive that hard into the godzilla fandom but this seems like one of the more tame fan communities. Maybe that's because it's so niche but just seems like outside extreme instances this one is pretty easy going.

Yeah, I relate to this so much. I'm constantly on all 3 sides (not seeing the light, the "WTF IS GOING ON ANYMORE" side, and the "gatekeeper" side). I'm trying to center into a combination nowadays... but if I can't do that, I'm just going to try the confused side to avoid being disrespectful lol.

I love KOTM. It’s easily one of my favorite Godzilla films.

I loved the movie... but I have to admit it has a LOT of flaws. I don't know whether I prefer 2014 or KOTM now. 2014 felt like it "meant" more and was perfectly balanced. There was mystery behind the titans, and you can actually enjoy the characters. I do have some gripes with 2014, though. They cut away from the first fight against the MUTO and put it on a little television. Seriously? I don't care if that first fight was supposed to be short, DON'T MAKE US WATCH IT THROUGH ANOTHER TV!!!!! Also, on the topics of fights, the last fight was kinda underwhelming, I feel like there should have been more moves or actions or a little bit more run-time for it, and at least have the MUTO try to fight back as Godzilla is about to rip its head off! Still, though, the final fight was AWESOME. The sense of scale was MUCH more superior in 2014 than KOTM, in my opinion. Hell, everything in KOTM felt around the same size or smaller than in Skull Island, in my opinion. Sometimes they got the scale right there... but they didn't feel like they had much weight in my opinion. I loved some of the fan service! But the oxygen destroyer... and the twins part probably alienated a lot of main audience. They wasted the oxygen destroyer and they used the twins when they could have been a plot point in a future movie! Though, if a movie where the main villain was born from the use of that oxygen destroyer, to show humanity its mistake in using such powerful weapons willy nilly and to make what seemed kinda unimportant ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS EVER would be an incredible use of the weapon, and it'd probably catch me off guard (I forget most of my and other theories by the time the movie I'm waiting for comes around lol). My other main gripe with 2014 is that they got Bryan Cranston for about 20 minutes... and killed him incredibly quick. Couldn't have saved his death for near the end, so we've had more time to bond with his character and the impact is larger for the audience, which in turns make's the impact on Ford feel much greater? They could have begun to start rebuilding their relationship and then BAM! Dead. Would have been at least a shock! It's like how they killed Graham in KOTM for a joke... but killing Cranston basically turned my mother off from the franchise for YEARS. He was basically the whole reason she watched it in the first place XD. I feel like if you go through all the trouble of getting such a high profile character to just kill them in the first 20 minutes, you're doing something a little wrong. Especially when you advertise them so much! It's like if in Rampage all the teasers showed Dwayne Johnson, but they kill him off when George breaks out of the zoo or on the airplane. It would feel like a bit of a waste and absolute lies in the trailers. Despite my main gripes with 2014, it was more than just a dumb fun movie. It felt like I was genuinely worried for the characters, it was mysterious, and Godzilla's reveal was AWESOME!!!! In KOTM... it kinda just felt like watching a bunch of jello shaped like Kaiju fighting, kinda like at the end of Jurassic World, but in the latter it was a surprise and like HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS THE JURASSIC PARK FIGHT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!! A RAPTOR AND A T-REX FIGHTING A HYBRID AND THE MOSA WOOOOOOOOO- where in KOTM it's entirely expected. Especially when so much of it was spoiled in the trailers... I mean come on? You spoiled Burning Godzilla? On the subject of Burning Godzilla... you kinda wasted him! Not only could that have made an awesome movie about Godzilla's death like in Godzilla V.S. Destoroyah, not only did it only last a minute, not only was it used on GHIDORAH of all creatures, BUT IT WAS USED IN THE SECOND MOVIE?!!!! It was awesome at first... until you realized that if every opponent he faces gets stronger, he has to go Burning every time or get some other kind of power up, instead like in most Godzilla movies, you just enjoy Godzilla in his standard form. I'm fully expecting Godzilla to go Burning again in GVK or the next one (if there is one), or already get his Spiral Atomic Breath or some other ability. Still, KOTM had pretty good action, especially in Rodan's scene with the jets. Had a good message... but some stuff was done wrong. Also, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MYSTERY?!! They basically knew everything about the Kaiju in this one! What happened to the sense of wonder?

But worst of all... they put all the Kaiju in the same genus. THAT IS NOT HOW BINOMIAL NOMENCLATURE WORKS UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHLGOYIGLKHKYFJH<FHKLGKLH-

Sorry, still bitter about that bit...

That Movie is the best Modern Movie (From the 2010's).

Case Closed.

David Marshall:

Oh, sorry, I don't mind, I just forgot to check back. Pretty much just here, it's the only place I've made an account for. I'm an observer first and a joiner last, so I've been lurking around here, Wikizilla and Toho Kingdom for a little over a year now.

Gomi,

If you don't mind my asking, where do most of your interactions within the fandom occur?

Heh, neither do I. Oh yeah, I saw the trailer for that. It seemed intriguing, I'll have to check it out someday. I think I get what you're saying, it's like how I can't watch the Jurassic Park movies without at some point mentally going "yeah, these things aren't scientifically accurate." I still enjoy them immensely, and I understand the multitude of story and practical reasons for why the Dinos are what they are, but that inaccuracy doesn't go away, I just learned to accept it.

Agreed, though I will admit that due to my limited experience actually in the fandom most of my clashes about Godzilla come from non-fans, so I'm not the best position to relate with you on that point.

I don't know how to reply to specific people, but Gomi, you aren't wrong. Take Parasite for example. It was an incredibly meaningful and powerful film, but it was a lot of fun as well. Godzilla movies, with the monster/human elements, again, it's a both/and, not either/or. Which means it is possible to watch them for the enjoyment elements. But for me, I think it's impossible (at least for me) to watch them without that deeper meaning in the back of my mind. Does that make sense?

Ultimately, it's frustrating, because you have people who simply deny these films have depth when the evidence is stacked against them. Admitting this doesn't mean you have to watch them for these reasons alone. And I wouldn't be watching the films, "depth be damned," if they weren't enjoyable in the first place! 

See, MinecraftDinoKaiju, I'm fairly certain that was specifically the kind of thing he was advocating we avoid in discussions. However, that was a really obvious jab, so I see the appeal in making it.

Anyways, I think it would be worth mentioning that once you've "seen the light," you aren't somehow obligated to view movies solely from that perspective going forward. Yes the complexities and deeper meanings can make the experience that much more insightful or frustrating, but it doesn't mean you have to ignore or forget the less sophisticated things that you enjoyed before. While true that a more experienced outlook can tarnish older favorites, it's not always the case, nor should it be. Media can just be plain, unsophisticated fun, and it's okay to consume it as such. I'm not saying everything gets a free pass from criticism, just that you are allowed to slow down the mental gears for a bit if you want.

I feel this is the main force behind the divide between critics and the general populace, or more specifically in this case the old guard G-fans and the newer crop. I think sometimes critics spend so much time looking for a new revelation or insight that they can't see the forest for the trees, or refuse to enjoy something because they think it's beneath them to just have fun. An expertly prepared dish with dozens of flavors blended to perfection is superior to a bowl of cereal, absolutely, and more power to the people who are skilled and experienced enough to truly enjoy those meals. But sometimes, all you really want is that bowl of cereal, and it's okay to have it.

I hope that conveyed what I wanted to say properly.

I like it better than G'14. Now that I have watched all 3 MV films again That's how I feel. I do agree that the excessive fan service did alienate a lot of the GA and was one of the reasons it under performed. The cutting away in G'14 and the 90 minute build up just rubbed me the wrong way. I will admit the fight between G and the MUTO was cool. K:SI was decent; That's pretty much all I have to say about that. KOTM's characters had bizarre motivations and Charles Dance was criminally under-used. The monster fights and designs are the cream of the crop (Love me some Behemoth!); I'd be lying if I said otherwise. The only thing I didn't like as far as the monsters go was Rodan's roar; I would've liked it to sound closer to his 1956 roar. That roar was just savage; It sounded like a homicidal maniac!

Ever notice Mike looks like he’s trying not to orgasm when he talks about Godzilla? 

King of the monsters still is my favorite out of the monsterverse.

You know what? I used to think this was the best film of 2019, but now even saying that is just a "bit" of a stretch. I agree with these criticisms, and I absolutely love 2014 over KOTM 2019, and I'm disappointed because it is not supposed to be that way.

Plus I am surprised no-one brought up Kong: Skull Island to justify their arguments further, but for me, it flip-flops between that film and 2014 as my favorite/the best of the Monsterverse movies (even though it leans slightly more towards 2014). It's just so disappointing, and I hope Adam Wingard doesn't ruin this further in 2020.

Wow. This is deep. Good luck telling this to current fans.

I mean you're clearly not alone. And I'll even admit it's a very fun movie, especially when you first watch it. The battles on their own were a blast and fan service definitely got me too. But after awhile I need more to justify rewatching it.