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I don’t understand the hate for the way the Hollow Earth was portrayed in GVK.

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I thought Wingard did a great job at making the Hollow Earth a literal world within our world rather than keeping it a series of interconnected tunnels. It opens the door for some amazing worldbuilding and exploration in future movies. I just find the idea of a primordial world with prehistoric creatures hidden beneath our feet to be fascinating, hence the reason I fell in love with King Kong.

I know some fans have complained about Wingard retconning the nature of the Hollow Earth, but I don’t see it as a retcon. In KOTM, we learn that the Hollow Earth is a series of interconnected tunnels beneath the Earth’s crust. Just because it's different than what was previously set up to be doesn't mean there were any contradictions. Monarch could have been unaware of the real Hollow Earth during KOTM and assumed it was just a series of interconnected tunnels underground.

And for anybody wondering what the Hollow Earth’s light source is, there’s a paragraph on page 82 of the GVK artbook that says this…

“Because gravity goes haywire inside [the] Hollow Earth’s inverted shell, one of the only navigational constants is the pulsating storm overhead that provides the realm’s only source of light. This pseudo-sun shines on misted rainforests and pinnacles of blackened granite, as the landscape cuticles upward in every direction. Sulfur volcanoes in Indonesia helped inspire the look of the lightning-lashed central storm. ‘They give off this strange, ebbing purple glow, and we looked to that as a light source,’ says Hammock.”

I’ve also seen questions regarding the presence of radiation in the Hollow Earth. My take on the matter is that there are some sections of the Hollow Earth that are more radioactive than others, Godzilla’s temple from KOTM being one of them.

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MV does not have superhuman protags? 

And it could be argued godzilla was a good guy before a neutral force.

I dont think theres some quality being lost in all films now.

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"MV does not have superhuman protags? "
Well not in the monsterverse but in I've seen this crop up in Jurassic World's sequel movies, looking at you Fallen Kingdom and Dominion

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HinikunaGoji and Xenotaris, I don't hate the MonsterVerse.  I think Godzilla Vs. Kong gave me what I wanted to see.  I got to see these oversized animals duke it out three times.  The movie was loads of fun.  But there are a lot of problems too.  And I agree that we're starting to get into modern movie pitfalls, those being:

1. New characters are being shoved in for no rhyme or reason and stifling development of existing characters

2. Constant contradictions and poor logic 

3. Style over substance (even though when it comes to GVK that was the better option actually)

 

Any thoughts?

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1. the introduction of new characters can make or break a sequel especially if they are thrown in and were supposed to know who they are

2. Ummm can you elaborate on this one

3. I'm sorry I don't understand what Style over substance really means in this context, so I need more detail I'm kind of a dummy when it come to these things

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Xenotaris

Im really confused what that means about FK and D

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Honestly out of the bunch Kotm is by far my favorite. I love 14' to death but i think the attempt and potiential of Kotm was awesome. imo the first 3 films are pretty solid.

Gvk just like

If i want to watch the movie ill watch the fights on youtube

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HinikunaGoji

Human protagonists surviving being inside a volcanic ash cloud, I like Chris Pratt and his character Owen but realistically he should have fried when the ash cloud got him

With Dominion I didn't like the over emphasis on human villians in that movie

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Thats like typical movie stuff though

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Except it's poorly handled, HinikunaGoji.  Human villains are a tricky concept in the particular context of giant...well...things being the main focus of movies.

Xenotaris, I feel like Godzilla 2014 and Skull Island had better logic and didn't retcon previous scenes unlike KOTM and GVK.  Also, style over substance is basically VFX and big set pieces being prioritized over important things like characters and story.

 

As for your thing about human villains, no franchise does it worse than the five Michael Bay Transformers movies.  And what's funny is that in the fourth one the worst written human villain is killed by a character whose characterization got already butchered several times throughout the franchise.

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yeah I'm tired of seeing human villains over shadowing the monster antagonists.

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sonictiger

That wasnt my point, and the attempt at anything is what puts it above GvK. Because imo gvk tries absoluteky nothing, hence Why i dont like it

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I dont think its the worst thing. Plus for the JP franchise it definitely wraps the themes up in a nice little bow

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Subject change alert!

I just hope that Millie Bobby Brown actually said no to GVK 2 and it wasn't just because of her schedule involving the Russo Bros new film, The Electric State.  Because Wingard and the writing team clearly didn't care about Madison.

With Hollow Earth, that was botched far less than Madison in my opinion.

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Some of the same writers who worked on GvK also worked on kotm

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....

Well...darn.

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Although the movie doesn't take itself too seriously, which is generally excellent, its tone doesn't mesh with the other movies. However, similar to GvK, the concept of a hollow earth was essentially to obtain energy. Please visit cookie clicker if you need something to relieve stress.

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