Mothra Leo and Zilla Junior's Birth: A Lazily Made Theory

@G. H. (Gman)

And what's the long explanation for Zilla in Godzilla (1998)?

It's garbage.

Are you talking about my theory for it or the actual movie, because either way you're right lol

The actual movie. I have no desire to look any deeper into that film than I already had to endure in 1998 and the immediate years that followed.

The movie wanted raptors, but it also wanted Godzilla to be a dude. So he was dude that had baby raptors. They thought through it about as well as anything else in that dumpster fire.

I enjoyed 1998 for what it was but can agree with people hating it for stepping out on the established canon/mythos. Back then, there was a lot of new research being done on dinosaurs and Jurassic Park was a juggernaut. It seemed like 1998 wanted a piece of that pie with a more agile creature and it was important that the tail didn't drag on the ground and was more lizard like. 

Since the franchise has changed hands over the past half century, I try to enjoy each movie on its own. The last Godzilla marathon I watched was out of chronological order and there wasn't much continuity. After a while of binge watching, it became a blur. I do remember the ones I liked most were the Toho movies though. Just a matter of opinion.

As for off shoots- I never liked Godzookie. It was just stupid.

It would be interesting to see a movie or even an hour long movie dedicated to Mothra only with no Godzilla. That could spur dozens of shows highlighting each character from the monster verse. For all I know, some one may have done it?

dk,
There are 4 Mothra movies with no Godzilla. Mothra had her own solo film 3 years before she entered the Godzilla franchise.

Mothra was based on a standalone Japanese novella.

Well Roland Emmerich did hate Godzilla

G. H. (Gman) Out of curiosity, have you read the original Mothra novel?

Xenotaris So he basically didn't give a care about what he was doing with the character. Which is how we wound up with Zilla (who I don't think is necessarily a bad monster in his own right, but he's a lousy Godzilla outside of the animated sequel series).

Y'know, say what you will about the MonsterVerse movies as a whole, but at the very least they put in actual effort to get the monsters right.

personally I love Zilla and even consider it a type of Godzilla, just wished it had its atomic fire breath and was a little stronger. I am with LazyFish and MinecraftDinoKaiju when saying this, I believe Zilla should have been considered a female rather than a male but Roland Emmerich decided that his Godzilla had to be a male no matter what even to the point when it defied biology.

I think Zilla/Godzilla98 needs a second chance to shine, perhaps the monsterverse could elevate this kaiju to Godzilla status?

Xenotaris I don't really want to see Zilla in the MonsterVerse. But if you want to see Zilla get a little more respect, go read Godzilla: Rulers of Earth. Godzilla and Zilla have a battle at the beginning of the comic, and Zilla actually manages to hold his own for a little while, and in general he's given much better treatment.

Xenotaris

I agree, I feel Zilla would fit right into the Monsterverse if they buff her size to Zilla in Final Wars and get rid of the "asexual reproduction" thing. If they get rid of that, they'd definitely be able to do that. Hell, they wouldn't even need to buy the rights to it since they already have the rights to Godzilla- Oh wait, never mind. Toho already made Zilla into a separate character... damn it.

But if you want to see Zilla shine a bit more, you should read Godzilla: Rulers Of Earth. Really good comic and Zilla has a cool scene in the beginning that seems to redeem her at least a little.

I actually don't care about Mothra being able to reproduce asexually, but Zilla, now THAT'S a whole new thing. In 1998's Godzilla, they made him, into a her and then, a I don't know how many small Godzillas running around, cause that can't happen. Godzilla is KING of the monsters, not queen.

Monster_Zero 2112

Technically they still kept calling Zilla "he", but due to the way biology works, Zilla has to be a female. Honestly, I couldn't care less so long as the movie was actually good, then this "that's not how biology works" stuff just be a nitpick. But the movie sucked, so... I get to nitpick a little lol.

Monster_Zero 2112

Why can't there be a female godzilla? Why must Godzilla always be male? This conundrum is probably the reason why they kept calling Zilla a "he" because no-one wants to make an official female member of godzilla's species 

Eh. I don't know. I always looked at Godzilla as a "he", and never a "she"

Monster_Zero 2112

Yeah, it really doesn't make all that much difference to me. I mean, it's like with Rodan, you usually think Rodan as a he, but in the original Rodan movie, there was both a male and a female. So, either way, you could just say he or she concerning Rodan unless it's specified... or if they biologically HAVE to be female like with Zilla, even though they keep calling it "he". I guess this is also like what Muldoon said in the Jurassic Park novel, how Roberta (the T-rex) was female, but they keep calling her a he because it just seemed to fit better. Similar situation here, I guess. 

I get what Muldoon was saying but its rather sexist say that only males could invoke being a being of power and death.

There are plenty of deadly females in the animal kingdom, its just we humans tend to have a gender bias.

Look at female spiders, they are bigger and far more dangerous than the males.

Female lions actually do all the hunting while male lions sit at home sleeping (unless other unrelated males are nearby).

Hyenas tend to be gender-blind in their social structure

Angler fish females are bigger and scarier than their male counterparts.

Female ants out number male ants 1000 to 1, among these ladies are the Queen, Soldiers, and workers while male ants are loners or sex slaves to the queen.

Similiar to the ants example, females bees too. Males live outside of the hive and are little more than prostitutes to the queens.

Elephants, only females are in charge of the herd while adult male elephants are kicked out of the herd and only return to have sex before leaving again. The male elephants fear the large and in charge matriarch 

Female predator animals are by no definition weak and are just as strong as their male counterparts.

Its just in humans, females are weak.

Well not just humans, but yes, in general the animal kingdom is pretty evenly split when it comes to which sex is the bigger or more aggressive. Should also be pointed out that in every case of sexual dimorphism it's not quite a matter of weak/strong, more each sex is suited for different jobs, and combat/hunting isn't always one of those.

As for why there has never been a female Godzilla though, I'd argue that has more to do with him being a character first and a species second, if ever depending on the media. It's the reason there isn't a female Batman or James Bond, or a male Ellen Ripley, because that's how the characters were invented. There are genderswapped or alternate versions sure, but they are exactly that, altered versions of the original concept.

Xenotaris

Yeah, yeah, of course it's at least somewhat sexist and inaccurate, BUT as I don't think that's what Muldoon was implying. I think what he was ACTUALLY trying to say was that it just FEELS more right to say he, not exactly saying that only males can bring that sense of power. That's why we usually have male Rodans or Godzillas, it just seems to "feel" more right. Same with Mothra. Not exactly that it IS right, it just seems to fit. Again, it is mostly subject to opinion, and it doesn't necessarily fit for everything and the only real reason it seems to fit is because we grew up knowing Godzilla as a "he". Muldoon wasn't saying that only a male, "could invoke being a being of power and death," he was just offering why they kept accidentally calling Roberta "he", because of how they grew up, it just seemed to fit. It was an explanation of how it just seemed to "fit" more, nothing more.